The Jeremy Lin Situation

Monday night’s loss at the hands of the San Antonio Spurs bore the most significant results of the season.  The team didn’t earn a victory, but observers came away with proof of something far more valuable.

In scoring 38 points in his first outing without James Harden, Lin put to rest any doubts regarding his overall ability.  It just simply is not possible that that performance (against the league’s best team) and last year’s Linsanity stretch were flukes.  It just cannot be.  One cannot achieve such heights in such a manner, in that many instances, by mere luck or random chance.  These games are indisputably probative of actual ability.  Jeremy Lin is not elite, but he can be a very good, game-changing player in this league.

The focus now turns to circumstance and identifying, if not a lack of ability, what it is that’s kept Lin saddled all year with pedestrian numbers.  With Harden back in the lineup last night, Lin scored just ten points, while shooting 4/8, going back to his passive ways.

Each star’s drop in statistical production with the other on the court has been well-documented, most notably by ESPN’s John Hollinger.  Through the eye test, alongside Harden, Lin has barely been involved, almost playing the ’08 Rafer Alston role in bringing the ball up, handing it off to his partner, and then waiting for spot-up 3′s.  Spot-up shooting is not Lin’s strength.

What is the solution?  For one, the coaching staff could stagger the pair’s minutes, maximizing time for each with the other on the bench.  But there’s only so much of that that can be done.

Management could also look to trade Lin, an unlikely scenario, but one which our staff will explore next Monday.  Even if that avenue makes the most basketball sense, it’s not probable that ownership would allow such a course of action.

In my opinion, the solution is simply handing the team over to Lin.  In a recent game, for whatever cause, with Lin actually allowed to attack, and Harden operating as a conventional ’2′, the offense looked its smoothest and most potent.  This is for the simple reason that Harden can do what Lin can’t which is be productive without a live dribble.

There is now enough proof that Lin thrives off adrenaline.  He’s at his best when emotions fuel his actions, when he doesn’t have to think about deferring and can simply just play.  Harden is the far better player, but to maximize the abilities of both, barring a trade, Lin must be allowed to play his natural point role.  Harden must take a step back from the all-everything position he is currently playing.

Of most importance, though, should be a commitment to sorting this out.  On recent nights, an ineffective Lin was benched in favor of Toney Douglas to close out the game.  I had no qualms at the time because it still wasn’t clear if Lin was even capable.  But now, after Monday’s performance, because of the circumstances under which it was delivered, those doubts go out the window.  Lin must never again be benched down the stretch.  He and the team must be given a chance to figure this out, in a year where the results don’t really matter.

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  • DaDakota says 1 YEAR ago

    NorEastern, on 27 December 2012 - 13:13 PM said:


    DD! Good to see you again. Best to you.


    Thanks NorEastern ! Happy holidays to you and yours.

    As for Lin - I like him and think he is trending in the right direction. I do think the team would be better with Dragic, but it is what it is.

    LIn is not a scrub, he is pretty decent and is really sharp, so I expect him to improve a lot.

    DD
  • wintee says 1 YEAR ago You guys at red94 dont know nothing about basketball. Stop complaining and whining like a lil girl. Harden yes he a scoring machine, asik a reboubing macine, and lin? even his shot not that good yet,BUT HE MAKE HIS TEAM HOLE TEAM BETTER , WHAT WHAT IS ALL ABOUT..LOOK AT THE LAKER, EXAMPLE, KOBE 40p D-HOWARD, 20p and nash 15p and the team loses..no matter how much point they got, and if thier pg dont make other players involve, its not a good thing...LOOK AT THE ROCKETS AND THE SUNS RECORD, AND SEE WHO IS DOING BETTER. DONT SAY B/C HARDEN NO....B/C HARDEN , LIN ANDTHE HOLE TEAM. STOP WHINING PLEASE..

    I TAKE LIN OVER DRAGIC ANY DAY.... IF YOU RED94 HATER HATE SO MUCH ON LIN, THEN YOU SHOULD BE WRITING 4 THE SUN...YELLOW 94.
  • NorEastern says 1 YEAR ago

    DaDakota, on 26 December 2012 - 22:54 PM said:


    Maybe not great, but better than Lin in every individual category.

    Not saying LIn sucks, but Goran is clearly the better player.


    DD! Good to see you again. Best to you.
  • NorEastern says 1 YEAR ago I do believe that we are seeing why Lin is an acceptable replacement for Dragic. Remarkable what coaching and substituting patterns can do for a team. We seem to be heading in the right direction. Why mess with success?
  • kjunfood says 1 YEAR ago

    DaDakota, on 26 December 2012 - 22:54 PM said:


    Maybe not great, but better than Lin in every individual category.

    Not saying LIn sucks, but Goran is clearly the better player.


    Wait, you mean every individual category not named assists and rebounds, right? Or steals, blocks and FT%? And while Lin is still behind in FG% by a bit (just .2 now), and by a lot in 3 pt %, and a tad higher in TOs...their momentum seems to be in opposite directions. Lin's play has been much, much better lately.

    Am I saying, knowing we would have Harden today, I would personally choose Lin over Dragic? No. Am I saying Lin is better than Dragic? Definitely not. But I feel, esp. as the season continues (and Lin who is 2 yrs younger grows), it will be a much tougher question than you think. I already am unsure it is that obvious of an answer!
  • DaDakota says 1 YEAR ago

    thejohnnygold, on 27 December 2012 - 01:13 AM said:


    Stats Schmats! Lin is easier to pronounce than Dragic. Ergo, I prefer Lin. So there.


    Well how can you argue with that?

    LOL - and he is american to boot !

    DD
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Stats Schmats! Lin is easier to pronounce than Dragic. Ergo, I prefer Lin. So there.
  • DaDakota says 1 YEAR ago

    sircharles, on 26 December 2012 - 02:14 AM said:


    lets look at the great season dragic has been having this year.......


    Maybe not great, but better than Lin in every individual category.

    Not saying LIn sucks, but Goran is clearly the better player.
  • sircharles says 1 YEAR ago lets look at the great season dragic has been having this year.......
  • Jlin787 says 1 YEAR ago Getting Harden didn't mean playoffs instantly. As stated, the Rockets are ahead schedule and are winning games. We were technically a rebuilding team with the bonus of Harden.
  • DaDakota says 1 YEAR ago Yes they did, Dragic is better all the way around.

    Lin is about 2/3rds the ability of Dragic.....

    Lin was signed to sell tickets while we rebuild, once we got Harden, I guarantee they wish they kept Dragic.
  • Stephen says 1 YEAR ago Fun with numbers continued.

    Jeremy Lin has played just under 2100 minutes in NBA prior to Christmas Chicago game.
    His assist % this yr is 29.8% and his turnover % is 18.6% with a usage of 18.9% and a PER of 14.4.

    Dragic had 2,170 minutes by the end of his second yr.
    His numbers for his second season are an assist % of 24.1%,turnover % of 18.3% w/a usage rate of 21.1% and a PER of 14.8.
  • AlphaBeta says 1 YEAR ago from the numbers, Dragic is having a better season so far. Not such a difference that people should be crying over him though...
    If the more developed player isn't having a better season that would be a problem.
  • rocketrick says 1 YEAR ago

    Rahat Huq, on 15 December 2012 - 07:05 AM said:


    Dragic wanted a 4 year contract, not a 5 year contract. Jeremy Lin has a 3 year contract. Giving Dragic the 4-year-deal would not have prohibited signing Harden to the 5 year.


    Thanks for that, Rahat. I stand corrected! I see that Dragic has a player option in year 4 of his contract, too.
  • SamC says 1 YEAR ago

    rocketrick, on 15 December 2012 - 05:15 AM said:


    Personally, I would like to see Lin have the ball more so he can do his magic and create rather than keep going with the same old play over and over again by giving Harden the ball at the top of the key and see what he can create. Why not let Harden create from the right side of the court and give Lin first dibs on most plays. If nothing is available, pass the ball to Harden and let him create from the side with dribble penetrations or pick and roll with Patterson leaving Patterson open for a 3 in the corner if both defensive players go for Harden. Just a thought.


    I saw an effort last night to give both players the chance to try and create something. Early in the game, Lin or Harden would try to penetrate and if nothing opened up, they would kick the ball out to the other. But it didn't work. And I think the coach's experiment with the the rotation isn't working either. For the past two games, when they rest Harden, they have Lin and Douglas in the backcourt. The problem is, the ball keeps going to Douglas first and Lin ends up playing the role of a SG. I don't know if this is a coaching decision to put the ball in Douglas' hands or if Lin is deferring or the team prefers Douglas with the ball or what. If the purpose of that rotation is to give Lin a chance to be "the man", it's not working.
  • SamC says 1 YEAR ago

    rocketrick, on 15 December 2012 - 05:20 AM said:


    And just exactly what message is the coaching staff supposedly sending to Lin??


    The message is, play well or sit on the bench. The question isn't effort. He's displaying a lot of that but he's not making baskets and instead, creating turnovers. Despite having a poor shooting game, Harden continued to be aggressive and get to the line and at least force the Celtics to double him or stay on him. We all know Lin can play so he has to stop passing up shooting opportunities. And he has a tendency to drive to the basket and stop because he wants to pass. He either gets called for walking, turns the ball over because he's making a poor pass, gets blocked because he's trying to shoot after coming to a halt, or he gets the ball ripped from his hands by a larger defender who's blocking the paint. He could learn a lot from Harden. Lin has to drive to the basket with the mind set to shoot and pass second rather than pass first and shoot second.
  • Rahat Huq says 1 YEAR ago

    rocketrick, on 15 December 2012 - 05:15 AM said:


    It seems quite pointless to me to keep harking on whether we should have signed Dragic or kept Lowry instead of signing Lin. The fact is Dragic wanted a 5 year contract (only 1 player per team can be signed to a 5 year contract, is Dragic the right player to sign in that case? No, as it turns out the Rockets instead eventually signed a much better player, Harden, to that 5 year contract) and reportedly Lowry and Coach McHale were at loggerheads. Jeremy Lin is an NBA point guard period and is better than at least half of the point guards starting in the league today period. Personally, I would like to see Lin have the ball more so he can do his magic and create rather than keep going with the same old play over and over again by giving Harden the ball at the top of the key and see what he can create. Why not let Harden create from the right side of the court and give Lin first dibs on most plays. If nothing is available, pass the ball to Harden and let him create from the side with dribble penetrations or pick and roll with Patterson leaving Patterson open for a 3 in the corner if both defensive players go for Harden. Just a thought.

    Dragic wanted a 4 year contract, not a 5 year contract. Jeremy Lin has a 3 year contract. Giving Dragic the 4-year-deal would not have prohibited signing Harden to the 5 year.
  • rocketrick says 1 YEAR ago

    xsamc1, on 15 December 2012 - 04:37 AM said:


    During the game, they had a quick shot of Lin sitting on the bench at end of the 4th and he looked demoralized. The coaching staff is clearly sending a message to Lin.


    And just exactly what message is the coaching staff supposedly sending to Lin??
  • rocketrick says 1 YEAR ago It seems quite pointless to me to keep harking on whether we should have signed Dragic or kept Lowry instead of signing Lin. The fact is Dragic wanted a 5 year contract (only 1 player per team can be signed to a 5 year contract, is Dragic the right player to sign in that case? No, as it turns out the Rockets instead eventually signed a much better player, Harden, to that 5 year contract) and reportedly Lowry and Coach McHale were at loggerheads. Jeremy Lin is an NBA point guard period and is better than at least half of the point guards starting in the league today period. Personally, I would like to see Lin have the ball more so he can do his magic and create rather than keep going with the same old play over and over again by giving Harden the ball at the top of the key and see what he can create. Why not let Harden create from the right side of the court and give Lin first dibs on most plays. If nothing is available, pass the ball to Harden and let him create from the side with dribble penetrations or pick and roll with Patterson leaving Patterson open for a 3 in the corner if both defensive players go for Harden. Just a thought.
  • SamC says 1 YEAR ago During the game, they had a quick shot of Lin sitting on the bench at end of the 4th and he looked demoralized. The coaching staff is clearly sending a message to Lin.
  • Alituro says 1 YEAR ago Sheesh, Well we all know who that guy is a fan of.. As far as Dragic vs Lin, to me they're both cut from the same mold, which is kind of the problem with both of them. They have shooting guard skills in a PG sized body. Neither is a true shooter, and you can't play either at the 2 for too long because they're too small. This is also a problem especially for Lin having to share the backcourt with another player (Harden) cut from the same mold, but is actually sized right for his skills. Dragic's 2 is Brown(?) and the team has no scorer able to net 20 per night on average which opens up more opportunity for him, hence the 3 pt advantage over Lin. Their assists are about the same. Now if you wanted a much easier debate ask if Lin>Lowry. I would love to have Lowry back in his stead. Lowry fit the PG mold perfectly, and then some when you add in his rebounding. He's non-selfish and would gel perfectly with Harden, IMO without much adjustment. even though he's shorter, he was built like a football halfback and really bothered other PGs on defense with his bulk. Heck he even bothered bigs when creating contact driving to the basket because he would leave bruises. He had better court vision than both and knew well all of the technical little intricacies of the game and his position. Way more savvy to the game. Losing Lowry was the biggest heartbreaker.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago Tuoi56, with all due respect, you are pretty off if what you have written you consider an informed opinion that you are presenting as factual points in this debate. Now if you are crazy about Lin and truly 'feel' that way then hey you are entitled to your feelings but generally we try to keep discussion here on Red94 on the more rational side of basketball talk.

    The fact is Harden averages 5.6 assists and Lin averages 6.1 and on the surface that is not much of a difference. Looking at assists average would not confirm that Harden is a ball hog and it would tell me he is a player who handles the ball and makes plays. Now you can break down their assists averages versus minutes played, their position on the court or however you want but to label Harden as selfish is pretty far from the truth.

    To the original question as to whether Dragic or Lin is better, honestly there isn't probably much of a difference in the long term big picture. We are just splitting hairs in this debate. In the details they are quite different but both fit in a blueprint for the future. If anything we know Lin is exponentially superior in the PR realm but I personally do not care about that though it must be noted.
  • Rahat Huq says 1 YEAR ago I don't think it's a case of his teammates--or Harden--not passing him the ball. I think the issue is that the play needs to be starting in his hands for him to be effective. He isn't very effective off of kickouts.
  • Tuoi56 says 1 YEAR ago I am a LIn and Rockets fan. But Rockets team mates are beginning to disgust me.

    The way Harden being selfish and a ball control hog. His only goal is to score 30-40pts a night for his next big contract. And his team mates being selective as to who to pass the ball to. Jeremy is open in the corner waving his hands and watch the TV closely, Harden, Parsons or Patterson, Douglas will only share the ball to themselves.

    Lin dribble up the court, and as soon as they pass the half court, Lin will pass to Harden and he will take over from there.

    Rockets better learn to share the ball and create shots whether that be LIn or Harden and let LIn penetrate with his quick speed to punish the defenders for a foul shots or layups.

    Yes I am a LIn fan. I knew Lin had skills while these writers and people were saying LIn sucked without knowing what the reason behind his low stat was. But I knew it a month ago, by just watching TV. Harden just did not pass the ball and ball hogged. I knew right away Lin's stat would go down.

    And when Harden camout against the Spurs. I predicted 20pts for LIn but he scored 38pts. I knew LIn had PG skills all along. His penetration speed actually got faster than from when he was with the Knicks.

    Bottom LIne : Harden better learn to share the ball and create ball movements and shoot open shots. whether it be LIn or Harden. And let Lin penetrate to create mismatches.

    Share the damm ball Harden.
  • Rahat Huq says 1 YEAR ago Tuoi56: Out of curiosity, I'm assuming you're a Lin fan and not a Rockets fan?
  • Tuoi56 says 1 YEAR ago I would actually prefer Lin to be traded to teams like Wizards, because there, he can average 25pts, 9assists a night being a true ball handling PG.

    Because here at the Rockets, Harden will not share the ball and be a ball hog his way to 40pts every night.

    Although not likely, hope Lin gets traded to teams like Wizards and average 25pts for 82 games for 3years. After that get a huge contract extension and see more LIN for a long time.

    Actually, it is better that way I think. go to Wizards LIn and be selfish and up your stats and let's get contracts. because this NBA league is full of selfish ball players who's goal is to get high stats for them and get 100millio dollar contract like Harden.
  • Tuoi56 says 1 YEAR ago Before this article came out and other writers like Gregg Doyle of CBSSports.com put down LIn, saying he isn't just good enough or LIn is average, I knew exactly what the problem was.

    Writers and people just looked at his 10pts a game stats and were putting him down. But I knew the problem with Harden ball hogging 95% of the time and rarely passing to Lin, of course LIn's stat would be down.

    LIn had skills all along and his NY Linsanity was his true skills. Lin can penetrate to the bakset create fouls or penetrate and dish out to open man for 3 or to the center for a dunk. LIn can hurt you many way.

    LIn had sills all along. given an opportunity to truely be a PG.

    Harden has to learn to share the ball like the Spurs and let LIn penetrate and dish out to open Harden and Harden shoot for 3 or LIn penetrate and create foul shot and vice versa. But the most important thing is, when Jeremy dribbles up the court and goes to corner and waving his hands, pass the damm ball to Jeremy and share the ball and create shots.

    Harden has to share the ball and that is the only way.

    Otherwise trade LIN to the Wizards and being a true ball handlin PG, LIn can average 25pts a game. easily.

    I wonder what people say if Lin's 82 game averages 25pts 9assists a game for example teams like the Wizards.
  • Alituro says 1 YEAR ago I think the best thing for Lin's development is to have him lead the second unit for a stretch. This will enable us to get the most out of him because he won't have to defer to anyone. If done in the first round of sub-outs and he comes in for Douglas and Cook (Ugh) for Harden, it will give him a chance to get in his zone and catch fire without the hindrance of having to defer. If so, then leave him in with Harden and give him the green light. If he struggles after being inserted then keep him in and let him defer to Harden and set to spot up. I'm not saying playing Douglas the majority of PG minutes, just starting him and bring in Lin off the bench for his Terry/Ginobili-like energy. Put Lin on track for 6th man considerations.
  • tigger says 1 YEAR ago "Lin must never again be benched down the stretch." I completely agree. Way to kill someone's confidence (no one likes getting benched) by sitting them for freaking Toney Douglas. If you really believe in letting him develop/gain valuable on-court experience, then don't f.ucking bench him.
    "He and the team must be given a chance to figure this out, in a year where the results don’t really matter." I too agree. Imagine if the Rockets traded Lin and then he actually plays awesome on his new team? They'd be the laughing stock of the NBA for letting him go twice.

    I know this is hard to fathom but let Lin be the PG and Harden the SG. I don't have much faith in this coaching staff, we'll see what happens.
  • hammelltime says 1 YEAR ago Everyone's got a problem with Lin's shot. Yeah, it's not great, but neither is Dwayne Wade's. He shoots 29% from 3 point range for his career! No one complains about his shooting. And he's got a ring with that abysmal percentage. The Heat let him drive to the hoop. Him and Lebron can coexist cause one is a forward and the other a guard. Lebron doesn't have to start off with the ball. Having Lin and Harden is like having two PGs, except Harden is capable of being a shooting guard, so put him in that spot and let Lin play more like Wade. Otherwise, trade Lin and get someone Harden can alley oop to.
  • tigger says 1 YEAR ago "Lin must never again be benched down the stretch." I completely agree. Way to kill someone's confidence (no one likes getting benched) by sitting them for freaking Toney Douglas. If you really believe in letting him develop/gain valuable on-court experience, then don't f.ucking bench him.
    "He and the team must be given a chance to figure this out, in a year where the results don’t really matter." I too agree. Imagine if the Rockets traded Lin and then he actually plays awesome on his new team? They'd be the laughing stock of the NBA for letting him go twice.

    I know this is hard to fathom but let Lin be the PG and Harden the SG. I don't have much faith in this coaching staff, we'll see what happens.
  • SamC says 1 YEAR ago Although Lin isn't a great spot up shooter, I think he can definitely improve that part of his game in the off season. I recall reading an article that talked about how Lin spent much of the summer practicing his ball handling skills because he thought he was going to be the primary ball handler. Having limited time this summer to work on his game because of his knee injury, he had to focus on what he thought would pay the biggest dividends for the team. He couldn't predict that Houston would trade for Harden. However, since the trade, he's been working on his jump shot and now it's starting to show. And I agree that Lin is very dependent upon adrenaline. He passes on a lot of shots and yet he's always waving for the ball. The guy wants to shoot but is afraid to miss. He has to learn how to shoot with confidence.
  • Red94 says 1 YEAR ago New post: The Jeremy Lin Situation
  • Rahat Huq says 1 YEAR ago

    Voecklen, on 24 November 2012 - 00:10 AM said:


    I really wanted to see Dragic develop with the talent that was here. Obviously, I never envisioned him playing with Harden. That would have been something. Honestly, it would have been the best backcourt in the league. Combine with Parson and the team would have been set at those positions for years. Kind of sad to think of what might have been.

    Was thinking about this earlier today. I do think Dragic-Harden would have been the best backcourt in the league. Above Joe Johnson and Deron Williams as Joe Johnson has slipped a bit.
  • Voecklen says 1 YEAR ago BTW, for anyone who misses his play and has access to old games, go to the recent PHX/Miami game. Watch the steal Dragic makes and the finish with about 2:20 left in the fourth quarter. Spectacular.
  • Voecklen says 1 YEAR ago Interesting topic. Unlike many here (my assumption but could be incorrect) I have had the pleasure of watching every Dragic game this year. I haven't watched every Lin game but I've watched most of his minutes. Many here are saying that this is a question that can't be answered now as Lin was a longer term project and therefore we need to wait and see what Lin becomes. While the future can never be predicted with certainty, after watching Dragic improve this year above and beyond how he played at the end at the last season, I believe Jeremy Lin will never be as good as Goran Dragic is right now. Dragic could very well make the All-Star game this year. Stats just don't really tell the whole story.

    I really wanted to see Dragic develop with the talent that was here. Obviously, I never envisioned him playing with Harden. That would have been something. Honestly, it would have been the best backcourt in the league. Combine with Parson and the team would have been set at those positions for years. Kind of sad to think of what might have been.
  • LMAOwais says 1 YEAR ago Offense at our PG position is awfuI. think letting Lin run the 2nd unit would be a great idea, only I'd loathe the idea of letting Toney Douglas be the benefactor of such a decision because he clearly is not high-functioning/starting caliber point guard right now. If Toney can just somehow gain the same consistency in shooting that we demand of Lin then there is a point of reconsideration. And I agree with Rahat, despite all his offensive woes Lin has demonstrated that he is capable of doing all the other things required of his position: directing the offense, providing the occasional drive to the basket to keep the defense honest, and serving as an upper-echelon ball-hawk and decent defender.
  • Stephen says 1 YEAR ago Right now the Rockets are running a bare-bones offense of giving the ball to Harden or Lin and telling them to create something.
    Other teams are packing the paint and swarming the dribbler creating tons of turnovers.

    I hope the Rockets return to the "weave" offense of the second half of last season that was very good for the PGs and wings.
    I kinda expect they will once McHale returns.
    Incidentally,Milwaukee is using it this yr w/great success for Jennings and Ellis.
  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago The easiest way to correct that in this moment is to give the ball more to Lin so he can play the pick and roll and get Harden open. I know that being Harden the star of this team is easier said than done, but it would take the responsability from Lin to knock those open 3's or to pass up opportunities.
  • Rahat Huq says 1 YEAR ago A few more thoughts:

    In response to some of the responses here and also on Twitter, I strongly disagree with the sentiment that this is somehow an albatross contract and that Lin is irredeemable. I do think Dragic is the better player and the better fit for this team, but that doesn't mean Lin sucks or won't be valuable for this team. I don't know if it will be this year, but I think that by the end of the contract, Lin will have proved himself worthy.

    He does everything else well, its just the shooting right now which is the problem. And shooting is the easiest thing to correct. I also think its on the coaching staff to find a way to utilize Harden and Lin together as their skills are redundant - but that's on the staff, not J Lin.

    Bottom line is that he's just going to have to get in the gym and shoot 1000 jumpers per day. That's the only way he's going to be a good point guard. He seems to have a good work ethic so I'm not too concerned.
  • Jlin787 says 1 YEAR ago I would also like to add that this is basically a new Rockets team and that it takes time to build chemistry and figure things out. It took the Heat a while to play well together and the Lakers are having trouble as well. Also the way the offense plays is not really how Jeremy plays, he plays a lot of off-ball and gives the ball to Harden a lot. There isn't a lot of good ball movement and a lot of iso play from Harden.
  • Sir Thursday says 1 YEAR ago With all decisions like this, the results need to be evaluated over the length of these players' contracts. Especially since Lin was signed over Dragic in part because of his room for growth. Lin's deal is 3 years long, so that's 246 games excluding post-season games. We've played 12 games so far, so we're less than 5% of the way through his contract. Probably a bit early to be making any concrete judgements here, IMO.

    Maybe by the time the All-Star Break comes around we'll know enough about Lin's capabilities to make an informed analysis of the situation - at the moment we're still in the Small Sample Size zone, and if that zone has a shooting slump in then you're always going to come up with a negative view of a player's abilities.

    ST
  • Chichos says 1 YEAR ago Morey just can't win. When he sets himself up to trade for a star he gets no takers. So he sets himself up to tank and gets a star... on a team built to tank.

    I hope Lin is part of the future and not part of the tanking
  • Ostrow says 1 YEAR ago At the time, I don't believe Morey thought he was going to get Harden. It is clear that at the point Goran is better. When Morey signed Lin, he knew we were at least 2-3 years from being competitive. Because of this, he went with the guy he thought could develop and, just as importantly, could put people in the seats. In my opinion this isn't on Morey at all.
  • Cooper says 1 YEAR ago I guess it depends on what the rockets wanted to do. If they wanted to generate some buzz and gamble on lin living up to the hype then Lin was the right choice. If they wanted to maybe contend for a playoff spot this year and next year dragic probably was the guy for that. Maybe Lin will play better if not I'm sure they could deal him next year around the deadline.
  • kjy112 says 1 YEAR ago Perhaps, the next Lin blog should be. "What is wrong with Jeremy Lin's shot?" @kjy112
  • tombrokeoff says 1 YEAR ago

    Rahat Huq, on 20 November 2012 - 12:21 PM said:


    If I'm not mistaken, Dragic wanted a 4 year deal with the 4th year being a player option. Morey didn't want to give the player option.


    exactly correct
  • Rahat Huq says 1 YEAR ago

    rockets best fan, on 20 November 2012 - 06:45 AM said:


    dragic is better now and will be better in the future than lin can ever hope to be. looking back in hindsight it's easy to say that. at the time dragic wanted a 5 year deal starting at 8 mil. the real question is do you like dragic better than harden, because if we had sign dragic the okc trade would not have been available. why do you ask? each team under the new cba can only have 1 player signed for 5 years. all other players must be on deals of 4 years or less. what made us atractive to harden is we could offer the extra year in the deal that okc could not (durant is their 5 year player), netting him an extra 20 mil dollars. if we could only sign harden to a 4 year deal then there would have only been a 5 mil dollar difference between the offer okc had on the table and what we would have been able to offer which probably means harden stays in okc. I think harden is the better deal. lin was only signed as damage control. we are in a win-win situation with lin. if he pans out great we have our PG of the future, if not his contract only has 2 years after this one. lin was signed as a PR move to generate news in what was otherwise thought to be a down year.

    If I'm not mistaken, Dragic wanted a 4 year deal with the 4th year being a player option. Morey didn't want to give the player option.
  • jojokattie says 1 YEAR ago Hey Dragic Lovers, you should read this http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/11/marcin-gortat-complains-about-his-new-role-in-phoenix/
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago dragic is better now and will be better in the future than lin can ever hope to be. looking back in hindsight it's easy to say that. at the time dragic wanted a 5 year deal starting at 8 mil. the real question is do you like dragic better than harden, because if we had sign dragic the okc trade would not have been available. why do you ask? each team under the new cba can only have 1 player signed for 5 years. all other players must be on deals of 4 years or less. what made us atractive to harden is we could offer the extra year in the deal that okc could not (durant is their 5 year player), netting him an extra 20 mil dollars. if we could only sign harden to a 4 year deal then there would have only been a 5 mil dollar difference between the offer okc had on the table and what we would have been able to offer which probably means harden stays in okc. I think harden is the better deal. lin was only signed as damage control. we are in a win-win situation with lin. if he pans out great we have our PG of the future, if not his contract only has 2 years after this one. lin was signed as a PR move to generate news in what was otherwise thought to be a down year.
  • blakecouey says 1 YEAR ago If given the opportunity again, I'd go with Goran. If Lin can get his shot going, which I have confidence that he can, then it becomes a more complicated decision. If Lin can begin knocking down the deep shots it will help stretch the floor and open up some lanes for Harden to abuse. I liked Goran, and was furious that we let him leave, but as Stephen commented-with Goran we were stuck for several years regardless of his play, Lin gives us options.

    As stated in the post above me, Lin's marketability has suffered because of Comcast and hopefully the Rockets realize that and push for a deal. Home-court advantage isn't really effective if half your seats are empty and half of what are filled are opposing team fans.
  • ckingtcu says 1 YEAR ago From a basketball standpoint, this argument of Gogi over Lin makes a lot of sense. Their contracts are similar (on an annual basis but Dragic's contract is for an extra year) so the outflows are comparable. The difference lies in the media coverage and merchandise revenue that Lin brings. So far Rockets' fans haven't caught on and also haven't been attending games but I believe that's more attributed to the issues with the new Comcast tv contract. As a whole, most of the city has tuned off the Rockets because of not getting the games and/or the success and local media dominance of the Houston Texans. If/when Comcast figures everything out and starts giving Houstonians what they want things will begin to change ESPECIALLY if this team is contending toward the end of the season. If Morey can make a splash in the offseason or later this season like he's openly said he wants to then this team will be better and fans will buy in. Bottom line is that fans need to be able to watch the games in order for the Rockets to benefit from Jeremy Lin's best asset (his marketability).
  • jojokattie says 1 YEAR ago Hindsight and stirring the emotion of fans are the favorite of bloggers. Please take look the conference standing of Suns. Both of Lin and Dragic are first time starters. High expectation is not fair for both of them. Players learn and improve through experiences. Rockets, Suns, Raptors are not top contenders, people.
  • ObstructTheLore says 1 YEAR ago I dont think its even close to how much better Dragic is than Lin but its hard to complain too much because Morey would have had to look into the future to see the Harden trade and I think Lin was more Les's idea anyway.
  • SamC says 1 YEAR ago No team would take on Lin's contract after what we've seen thus far so a trade is out of the question. Houston showed a lot of faith in Lin and now it's time for him to step up his game. I'm a huge Lin fan so I get annoyed when Sampson takes him out of the game but I don't blame Sampson because PT is based on performance. Lin has to improve his shooting % and play better defense or Sampson is going to keep riding Douglas.
  • clive says 1 YEAR ago Is there anyone can help to trade JLin out. This will help a lot Jlin's fans out
    Thanks in advanced.
  • Chichos says 1 YEAR ago Goran is probably going to be the better PG this year. Lin gives you a lot of other stuff, but Goran's ability to hit spot up threes makes him more valuable at the moment. Having said that, if Lin can get to the mid .300s on his threes and develop a floater I have to agree his ceiling is higher. He rebounds, plays passing lanes, and is a willing passer. Those are all great traits in a point guard, but until he can shoot he is just Rafer Alston 2.0.
  • Zero Zero says 1 YEAR ago I only saw the title and don't even have to read the rest of the article. The answer is: absolutely!
  • Stephen says 1 YEAR ago Good question.
    The ultimate answer is what is Lin's ceiling going to be.
    Because Goran has pretty much reached his-and it's that of solid starting PG.
    But the real Goran isn't exactly the dead-eye shooter the theoretical Goran is. He shot .337 last yr from 3 and he's shooting .340 this yr.(Weird how our perceptions go,Parsons shot the same % from 3pt land last yr as Dragic,yet Parsons was considered a bad 3pt shooter while Dragic was considered a good one.)

    As Lin learns to play more under control,he looks to be a better pure PG,whose shot will come and go. In the long run,better for the Rockets as they integrate Harden into a team offense instead of having Harden being the offense.

    As to the decision,one over other...
    W/Dragic,the Rockets would have been committed to him for four yrs,for better or for worse.
    W/Lin,the team is realistically committed for two yrs. After all,the team can stretch buy-out Lin's last yr and take a Cap hit of just $2.6mil/yr for three yrs.
    And Lin allowed Les to agree to a rebuild,which paid off in not giving away everything for Howard or Bynum,which in turn allowed the Harden trade.
  • Mel says 1 YEAR ago I never viewed the decision to sign Jeremy Lin as one about getting the best point guard available. Both Lowry and Dragic > Lin. I just figured that Morey didn't see any point in signing Dragic to a long term contract (and inhibit any cap/spending flexibility) when the team won't be relevant for the next couple of years. Lin is serviceable, but I saw signing him as a move to bring some excitement to the fan base. But guessing by the low turnout at the Toyota Center, it's not working.
  • tombrokeoff says 1 YEAR ago losing dragic was the move i was most upset about in the offseason as i have expressed on here a number of times. i was happy they landed lin after losing goran, but would have always preferred goran.