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“Like I said, all along I’m trying to create an environment here,” Smart told reporters after Saturday practice.  ”And we all gotta move forward to making sure that we do everything we can to keep that environment in the right direction.  And when any player goes beyond that, then there’s going to be consequences to that.  And I thought last night, it moved in that direction.”

Via the full report, Cousins and head coach Keith Smart got into a heated verbal exchange at halftime of Friday’s affair against L.A.  Judging from Smart’s comments, however, this seems to be more a disciplinary response to something incidental rather than anything approaching a built-up ‘final straw’, as I had originally assumed.  Cousins has had his ongoing issues, but I’m not sure this makes it any more likely that the Kings deal him.

But what if I’m wrong?  What if the Kings decide they’ve had enough?  Would the Rockets pursue?  The most important question might lie in determining what other teams would have interest.  That would help arrive at a market value for the mercurial forward.

Furthermore, have the Terrence Williams and Royce White sagas taught management anything?  Or were those unique circumstances with lesser upside?

Had the Harden trade not happened, I think you’d see Houston take that risk for the same reason they took the risk on the aforementioned wings.  They had a different assessment of ‘risk’ when needing to catch lighting in a bottle.  Now, with Harden and friends, they can be more conservative.  They can sit back and do things the ideal way because they already have their foundation.  (I think you’ll see the team draft differently as well.  They won’t try to go out-of-the-box with the Marcus Morris/Royce White types anymore, but rather, will approach things with more convention.)  They no longer need to scramble for every possible bargain.

Who might have interest?  I don’t know.  [A thought came to me though: if you're Danny Ainge, you make this happen.  You trade Jeff Green and Avery Bradley for other parts and send those to Sacramento.  Kevin Garnett is the one guy in this league who I think can get through to Cousins and if that's a possibility, they have to try to make it happen, for their future.]

How much do you offer if you’re Houston?  I think I’d limit it to one of Morris/Patterson, with one of Motiejunas/Jones, along with Royce White and perhaps a future draft pick.  Not ‘selling the farm’, but probably not the best offer to be had.

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  • miketheodio says 1 YEAR ago

    rockets best fan, on 07 January 2013 - 22:33 PM said:


    are you compairing our pick and roll to the old utah one? yes I agree the pick and roll is a good offense, but malone and stockton were both lethal scorers. either could pick or pop that's why it so so lethal. we have a good one i'm just not sure it's good enough. we need a bonified low post option and cousins provides that.


    other players in the league provide that as well without the risk.

    i think all this jump the shark desperation with cousins comes from the 3 years without a franchise player.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago are you compairing our pick and roll to the old utah one? yes I agree the pick and roll is a good offense, but malone and stockton were both lethal scorers. either could pick or pop that's why it so so lethal. we have a good one i'm just not sure it's good enough. we need a bonified low post option and cousins provides that.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago I understand that a lot of our offense comes from running the floor (recent article all about it), but don't forget...after that we run the pick and roll with incredible efficiency. By season's end that can only improve. Ask Jerry Sloan, John Stockton, and Karl Malone if the pick and roll is a viable offensive system. We will still run, but when the game slows down I believe we can still score effectively...especially when we unleash our secret pick & roll weapon......D-MO!!!!!! At least, this is how it plays out in my daydreams....
  • Ostrow says 1 YEAR ago I Agree w/ everything you said there except Cousins is in the same ballpark defensively as Asik. It's not close. I would love to see them on the floor at the same time though w/ Cousins at the 4 and Asik at the 5. Cousins is closer to Patterson as a defender (position defenders).
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago Asik > Cousins in defense/rebounding/attitude/heart/mental health
    Cousins > Asik in offense/passing/selfishness

    Cousins has a higher upside but giving up Asik is a big risk. Players can learn how to shoot in this league. Look at Tony Parker, Blake Griffin(to a lesser extenet), etc... A straight up trade between Cousins and Asik would not be bad if we got the Cousins that plays hard, but what if we get the Cousins that attacks announcers? Too much chance now that they have Harden and are moving forward. I wouldn't be upset if they made the deal, but giving up(probably) Asik/Parsons/Jones for Cousins doesn't seem that good of a trade in my mind.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago I like asik too, but lets not get it twisted asik isn't near the same level offensively and cousin is in the ballpark to asik defensively. cousins will be the better (younger) player over the long haul. I really do believe once he gets away from sac cousins will mature into the player everyone is expecting. I just don't have a lot of respect for the kings organization. if it took asik to get a deal done I would do it in a heartbeat. the rockets have benifited from uptempo offense during the year, but as the year grinds to a close teams will slow down the game and force half court offense. this is where cousins can catipult us to the next level. he can give us a stable half court game and that's what we are going to need for the end of the season and the playoffs.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    Sir Thursday, on 05 January 2013 - 02:13 AM said:


    I saw a nice quote the other day that called Cousins a "Third Team Guy". He's not going to figure it all out in Sacramento, as the habit of bad behaviour is too ingrained there. He'll get a fresh start if he's traded but will still make some mistakes there, and it will take one further trade for him to figure it all out and develop the maturity he needs to not be a lockerroom cancer and genuinely help his team.

    ST


    Saw that too....hard to disagree with as we have seen it multiple times before. I don't want to be the stepping stone for some other team's success... Also, do we keep Asik? Play him as back-up? I like what he brings night in and night out.
  • Sir Thursday says 1 YEAR ago I saw a nice quote the other day that called Cousins a "Third Team Guy". He's not going to figure it all out in Sacramento, as the habit of bad behaviour is too ingrained there. He'll get a fresh start if he's traded but will still make some mistakes there, and it will take one further trade for him to figure it all out and develop the maturity he needs to not be a lockerroom cancer and genuinely help his team.

    ST
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago I go back and forth on Cousins, since his personality and immaturity really are poison. But I do think he has more potential (or guaranteed potential) than our other young PFs, or even Parsons. For those same reasons, I also believe Cousins is more moveable (if need be) than other pieces, including Josh Smith.

    And if I am not misunderstanding the math, couldn't we trade for Cousins and still have money to offer for another max player? He's still on contract for all of 2013-2014, and then RFA after that I believe. At roughly $5M, wouldn't we easily still have room for a max after trading away some of our assets?

    Obviously we'd be deep in luxury tax in 2015, if we decide to keep Cousins, but I'd rather have the luxury of having to decide that (w/ another all star already in the bag) than not. He may even attract other huge names. Wow, this is sounding better by the minute -- I must be missing something lol.
  • Ostrow says 1 YEAR ago Parson and Morris can play SF but Cousins can play C. I'd rather have that personally. I'm not sold on Josh Smith being the guy. He is a tweener who can't really shoot. If we're looking for a SF I want someone who can shoot.
    As for Cousins, I like have a guy I know if going to get 10 rebounds a game. He is not a shot blocker, but if he can play some position D he doesn't need to be. I'm not saying you give up the farm for him, but for any two of the PFs I think you have to make that move. He is a proven commodity in the league and I'd rather have that than potential. And, he still has a lot of room to grow.
  • sircharles says 1 YEAR ago cousions will be a top 5 center in the next 3 years, guaranteed. only one untouchable is harden.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    phaketrash, on 04 January 2013 - 02:12 AM said:

    @johnny But isn't Varejao the best player on a bad team as well? And Varejao is having the best season of his career, at age 30. Cousins is 22. That comparison sort of just makes me want him more hahaha.


    You have a point; although, I would say kyrie irving is the best player for the Cavs. What I am saying is Cousins doesn't appear, to me, to be as big of an upgrade at the position as we want him to be. On any given night, either Parsons, Patterson, or Morris seems to put up similar, if not better numbers. A bonus is that morris and parsons can play the SF position. Also, they are all young and improving--like Cousins, but without the bad attitude.

    Right now, I am leaning back towards Josh Smith....I have grown to like him as an acquisition for the Rockets. I think he fits our offense, personnel, enhances that position, and affords us the ability to create more mismatches on offense and defense.
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago We seem to be really risk averse when it comes to being Rockets fans or something lol. I think we over-emphasize the "potential" of our young players, and I'm not sure why. It isn't like we've developed an unknown into an all star any time recently. We've gotten some great gems, but they're role players. It reminds me of the trade for Harden, when people were upset we were giving up the Toronto pick and Lamb for Harden...saying either of those 2 things may one day become what Harden already is. That sort of doesn't make sense to me lol.

    I like Greg Smith and DMo, and Cousins is no where near as sure of a thing as Harden is (I personally thought the Harden deal was fantastic for us and loved him from the start)...but Cousins is more of a sure thing than Greg Smith or DMo right now. Both are young. I'd always take the bet with better odds and less risk. A large counter-argument against that though is Cousins comes with a lot of risk, given his uhh...unappealing personality.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago the more I think about a trade for cousins the more I'm starting to lean against it. I still like cousins talent wise problem is who can we give up in an acceptable trade for the rockets. we have some bigs we can trade, but the ones we want to give up ain't gonna be the ones the kings want. if we can pull off a trade with some combination of morris,aldrich,patterson,white and draft considerations i'm for it, but outside of that I don't know. we have a nice stable of young high ceiling bigs right now. I kinda want to see what we have play out too.
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago @johnny

    But isn't Varejao the best player on a bad team as well? And Varejao is having the best season of his career, at age 30. Cousins is 22. That comparison sort of just makes me want him more hahaha.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago smith and morris...........hmmm. I have a problem with smith being in the deal. this kid is talented I prefer hanging on to him. I know you have to give up something to get something, but it's hard to decide which big should go without having seen them all. we have seen smith and I like what I see. morris I can live with, but not smith.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    Ostrow, on 03 January 2013 - 10:19 AM said:


    And, to connect a third topic why don't we throw White in here too... lol


    Haha....he would kill ANY deal right now....couldn't trade him for a sack of cheeseburgers.

    I am reluctant to trade Smith or Morris....I like them above any other PF's we currently have. Until Motie produces on the floor his value is only projected--and like the rest of you I am dying to see it.

    As for Cousins being the "rebounding defensive 4"...his numbers do not support that. He averages 16 pts., 10 boards, and 1 block on a bad team where he is the best player. Anderson Varejao nets 14 and 14 for the cavs. Cousins' numbers aren't bad but I don't think he is that much better, performance-wise, than who he would be replacing.
  • Ostrow says 1 YEAR ago I think you would absolutely have to do that deal. In a heartbeat. And if you are looking for a post-up 4 who rebounds... Cousins? I'm not saying Cousins is my favorite player. But, he is a top-10 4/5 talent, and for two guys who I like but will never be stars, that kind of deal seems like a no brainer. A starting line-up of Lin-Harden-Parsons-Cousins-Asik with a bench of Patterson-Delfino-Douglas could do some damage. Meanwhile D-Mo develops and eventually you have a big man rotation of Asik-Cousins-D-Mo where all of them can play some 5 and two can play the 4. Leaves the door open for some smallball Parsons 4.


    phaketrash, on 03 January 2013 - 04:51 AM said:


    I'm on the fence about Cousins, but even I'd throw more than just Smith and Morris to SAC for him haha.


    I was shocked when I read this because it seemed like very little. Smith has looked nice, and Morris has really improved so far this year, but really? That's all.

    And, to connect a third topic why don't we throw White in here too... lol
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago There is no doubting his talent, but my concern is how well he can set screens for Harden and Lin....It seems that Asik excels at this which is paramount to our offense at this point. In addition, Cousins requires a certain amount of touches to be effective while Asik plays off of what is already happening. In my opinion, The Rockets have constructed a team that suits the talent we have. I am not sure Cousins fits into that scheme....granted, schemes can change.

    I would also add this. Morris and Smith are both still on an upswing. I don't think either has hit their ceiling. Smith, in particular, has room to evolve due to the limited minutes he sees.

    At this point, I have shelved the idea of trading for Cousins....not because of any red flags, but because I honestly am not sure he fits with this team. The guys we already have certainly do. If this team were to add anything I would want more rebounding and shot blocking from the PF....This is something we lack due to our Stretch 4 approach....either we live with it or get a post-up 4 that will fight for more rebounds. I like Asik for now.
  • phaketrash says 1 YEAR ago I'm on the fence about Cousins, but even I'd throw more than just Smith and Morris to SAC for him haha.
  • Rahat Huq says 1 YEAR ago Smith and Morris for Cousins? You'd probably have to take that risk.
  • Ostrow says 1 YEAR ago Interesting new story on ESPN about trading Cousins today http://insider.espn....mod_nba_xxx_xxx
    I'm not going to put the whole article but:
    With the holidays in the rearview mirror, it\'s time to count a new set of shopping days. Thursday marks seven weeks until the Feb. 21 NBA trade deadline, and the most interesting name potentially on the market is Sacramento center DeMarcus Cousins. In his Weekend Dime, our Marc Stein reported that the Kings organization remains divided on the Cousins question, with president Geoff Petrie favoring a trade, while ownership prefers to hang on to the talented but troubled big man despite a recent confrontation with coach Keith Smart.


    On Sunday, Kentucky Sports Radio offered a list of potential destinations. Reportedly, Cousins was told that Boston, Charlotte, Dallas and Orlando are the most likely trade partners, with Detroit, Houston and Washington less likely. To evaluate these possibilities, I turned to the long-term projections generated by my SCHOENE Projection System based on similar players at the same age. After coming up with a reasonable trade scenario for each team, I ranked the potential offers based on the expected Wins Above Replacement Player they could offer the Kings over the remainder of this season and the following three
    The Rockets ended up having the 2nd best deal in terms of WAR behind DAL w/ Collison, Crowder, Wright
    Rockets: Marcus Morris and Greg Smith
    (24.0 WARP)


    Even after dealing for James Harden, the Rockets could still put together a competitive offer for Cousins thanks to their frontcourt depth. Sacramento could probably take its pick of any two bigs on the Houston roster besides starting center Omer Asik. Statistically, the best duo would be Morris and Smith. In his second season, Morris has blossomed after moving to power forward, stretching the floor from the position by making nearly 40 percent of his 3-point attempts. The Kings could eventually give him another try on the wing if former college teammate Thomas Robinson emerges as a starter at the 4. The undrafted Smith, plucked by the Rockets from the D-League, is locked up for the minimum through 2013-14. He has impressed off the bench this season, using his strength and soft touch around the basket to make up for being undersized. Smith's 65.7 percent 2-point shooting ranks third among regular players, and he's also capable on the glass.
  • kjunfood says 1 YEAR ago I think Cousins is poison with his attitude, but maybe the coaching staff can change him around. Maybe not. If all RBF is saying is that he'd pull the trigger on a Cousins trade where we only gave up fringe players/picks...then wow. Yes, I would do that in a heartbeat. No major pieces gone, just players most would be okay parting with, for DeMarcus Cousins? Yes, yes please again. Even if his attitude doesn't get better after a year or something, his talent should still make him probably just AS valuable a trading chip as the fringe players we traded away.

    Now if we're talking about crucial Rockets players for Cousins...then I start wondering...

    ps - KLove > DCousins imo
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago thejohnnygold: lol.... am I winning you over? :lol: now back to cousins....clearly there are teams who manage well and those who don't have a clue. the kings are one of the teams who don't have a clue. the maloof brothers are competeing with jordan for worse owners in the league. the problem with this team starts at the top. they have not given the team stability or direction. not offering the players excuses, but it's hard to get behind a team with so little vision. its unclear if they really want to win or have more interest in just filling the seats. heck they don't even know where they will be playing in 2 years. when david stern won't support you( the latest arena deal fallout) I think it speaks volumes about what type of garbage is going on
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago OK, after playing with the trade machine I have decided that I don't want to acquire taj gibson. I also doubt that Sacramento trades us cousins straight up for aldrich and PPat. I just wasted an hour of my life. I have come full circle....except that after seeing JJ Hickson has blossomed after leaving sactown for portland....it makes me wonder if all this change of scenery talk has some merit.....
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago I do realize that this deal never happens because Atlanta probably doesn't swap Smith for Deng and T. Jones' potential....but otherwise I think it could happen....
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago OK, I have not supported this idea at all; yet, I still went to ESPN's trade machine just now and worked out this beauty:

    http://espn.go.com/n...tradeId=cv6zogo

    Would it be worth it if we got Taj Gibson (on the cheap no less) as well as Cousins?

    Chicago gets better. Atlanta gets better in my opinion. Sacramento gets rid of Cousins while adding size to their roster thus getting better (addition by subtraction really).

    I still say if Cousins comes over he should go straight to D-League until he feels a little less entitled. I hate to say it, but if I were Rockets GM I think I make this trade.....I feel dirty.
  • redfaithful says 1 YEAR ago Bringing Lowry into this conversation made me think what went wrong for him and how he got to where he is now - watching Calderon doing magic for Toronto. My guess (no real info to back it up) is that he wasn't interested in learning from the coaching stuff. He sure put up the numbers early on, and again this year, but to be a really successful player in the NBA you need to constantly come up with new stuff, otherwise teams will study you and take away what you do. For this process to work the players must get all the help they can from the coaches, and if you don't have the "I'll take all you can coach me" attitude, existing skills will be enough only for short stretches. That's why Rockets current roster seems so promising - everyone seem to embrace this attitude, and that very well could be why Lowry is not here anymore.

    Going back to Cousins - one of the most important questions is therefore how eager is he to learn? Obviously it's not working with the Kings, but is it because of the surroundings or is it because he doesn't have the proper attitude? I think that's the nature of the gamble discussed here.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago stephen: I understand all your reservations about cousins. I really do, but the kings have handled this kid wrong from day one. I feel if he were on a team where he wasn't the alpha dog, where he would have to earn his minutes, where he would have a father figure instead of someone trying to be his friend it might change him. cousins is like a kid in that he will get away with as much as you let him. the kings have tried to befriend cousin. that's not what he needs. he needs a military dad. one who does not accept the bullsh^t. does cousins game need work.....YES. will we be taking a chance the light bulb may never come on .....YES. is his talent level still worth the gamble........YES. cousins is like a ship with no rutter. he simply needs guidance, someone that will be a rutter, steer him to the golden path. I think houston can do that. I hear the naysayers saying mc hale and co. haven't had a track history of doing this b4 ie the lowry situation. you can't save every player situation, but hear is where these 2 problems are different. lowry was a mature nba player who got offended because he felt mc hale treated him like a kid (disrespected him). cousins is a kid who has no choice but to accept authority. cousins does not yet know how to be an nba pro. he needs to be taught. now let me be clear in this area also, cousins is not worth losing major pieces in this team. there is a point where doing a deal would be to much. a lot depends on what the kings want in return for cousins. we already have some very promising bigs so it's not like we are desparate, but if we could pull off a deal where we give up frindge pieces and draft picks.......we have to be willing to accept that risk. the reward just might be awesome and awesome is what you need to win championships.
  • blakecouey says 1 YEAR ago

    rockets best fan, on 24 December 2012 - 01:38 AM said:


    blakecouey don't get me wrong I like love he is a very very good player(allstar) and would have my main issue with him covered (defense) with asik next to him. I know his PER is outstanding, but he just looks like a rebounding scola to me. the reason I say cousins over him is cousins has the talent to overpower teams if groomed properly. if the rockets could pull off a trade for love I say do it if the price is right. this thread was about cousins and I was just making my point that I believe the rockets are the type of team I think can turn this kid into something special. yes he is a headache, but enviroment sometimes can be everything. the kings front office is a mess and that's being kind about it. cousins like all NBA stars nowadays wants to play in a major market. he has not been happy from the time they drafted him because he don't like them. I'm not saying there is no risk involved because there is, but his talent level is worth(IMO) the risk

    The only comment I disagree with(to an extent) is the rebounding Scola one. What would be so bad about that? As you said we would have post defense covered with Asik, and Love can shoot well enough to space the floor wide open. He is enough of a threat at 3s that you've got to guard him(although his %s are down this year that may be contributed by his broken arm earlier). It's probably not going to happen but I'd be ecstatic if we were able to nab him. It would certainly put to rest any PF questions.

    In respect to DMC, Chris Mannix(SI & NBC)


    Chris Mannix@ChrisMannixSI

    Kings have reinstated Demarcus Cousins, effective immediately.



    Chris Mannix@ChrisMannixSI

    Two teams that were interested in DeMarcus Cousins in the past--Nets and Rockets--not interested now. Nets definitely out, HOU very unlikely
  • Bigtkirk says 1 YEAR ago What exactly is the fascination with Cousins? It's clear he is a pain-in-the-ass. He is a far below average shooter, doesn't block many shots, and turns the ball over a lot. Yeah, he's a bit above average in rebounding, assists, free throws and steals, but that still does not appear to be a statistical basis upon which to take the risk of screwing up the development of what is currently a pretty interesting team. Looks to me that Cousins is a pretty classic example of a player who has not yet learned how to use his talents to maximize his value to the team. I'd wait until he showed some signs of learning that key lesson before investing in him.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago "some men just want to watch the world (the rockets) burn"...
  • DaDakota says 1 YEAR ago Get him if you can - for picks and redundant pieces like PPat, Morris, RWhite, or Tjones + Picks......

    Nothing else is worth trading for him.

    DD
  • Stephen says 1 YEAR ago rockets best fan,
    But if you want to soar w/the eagles,you've got to act like one.
    Cousins' body of work so far has been more along the lines of pigeon...droppings.

    We're starting to hear-anonymously to be sure-that Cousins has been far,far worse in practice than how he's acted on court. One of the saddest and most telling aspects of the recent affair is that when the yelling occurred,the rest of the team ignored it,as if was something that happened all the time. Not one teammate went to shut up Cousins,to pull him away,not one coach did either.

    As for his on-court game,it's become clear that Cousins' has no ida of his strengths or weaknesses and his constant screaming for the ball is getting old.
    When he drives to the basket he is completely out of control,routinely charging into set defenders,losing his dribble at an alarming rate and when he does succeed in getting near the basket throwing up the most weak,erratic shots imaginable.
    For some reason he thinks he's a jumpshooter when all evidence to date shows he isn't.
    Smith has a far better low post game,and no one says we should be posting up Smith 10-15 times a game.
    Cousins has limited jumping ability-or simply refuses to expend the energy to do so-and that shows up in his pathetic sub .500 shooting percentage around the basket.
    Other than to say he makes zero effort on D and his moseying back on D would drive any coach to despair,I won't comment on his abysmal D.
    He does use his body to rebound and every now and then-on a completely random basis-he shows excellent court vision and makes a great pass.

    W/the right system,coaching staff and better teammates,Cousins COULD become a pretty good C. But his ceiling is a more physical,taller Scola than the next great NBA big. The tools to dominate aren't there,not in today's NBA where the refs won't allow a big to physically push around his defender.
    The problem w/Cousins,he hasn't shown any ability to dominate offensively. Even on bad teams great players shine thru. Cousins hasn't.

    And there's the whole "will he get it issue". Probably on his 3,4rth team,7,8 yrs down the road,but even then I'm not so sure.
    Right now,he's just too toxic for the Rockets.
    It's hard to imagine another player in the NBA who would clash more w/McHale and his philosophies.
    And should McHale-or any theoretical replacement coach-give Boogie heavy minutes,despite Cousins' lack of effort on D,undisciplined offense,complete me-first attitude,it would destroy any team cohesion and chemistry,as young impressionable players would see no consequences to ignoring their coaches. The rest of the team would soon devolve into shoot as soon as I get it,no D playing a-holes.
    If you don't play Cousins,he's going to whine and moan and b**** and will prove a constant distraction.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago keith smart is a joke for a coach and so was westphal. the kings have not had a good coach since rick adelman was there. the kings have high draft picks every year, but still can not put a decent team together. their problem starts at ownership. this is why cousins wants out. I read today he replaced his old agent with dan fegan. that's got to be the beginning of an exit plan. you don't hire feagan unless you are trying to force a trade in most cases. I said it b4 .......yes he is a headache, but sometimes it's hard to soar with the eagles when you work with the piegons.
  • NathanZachary says 1 YEAR ago Cousins has a point though. You see, Keith Smart is a lousy coach. Keith Smart should've been fired a long time ago.
  • amacbrooks12 says 1 YEAR ago Demarcus Cousins being suspended is actually a serious deal. Cousins is not going to be playing for several games and if the Kings play well & win games without him, their front office might be convince to trade him. So im defitnetly going to be paying attention to the Kings for the next few games (something I thought I'd never say).
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    blakecouey, on 23 December 2012 - 17:39 PM said:


    I can't believe so many people here are in the mindset that we could be the team to change him. Aside from pairing him with his Kentucky teammate what makes you think he'd suddenly mature? Our coaching staff/front office has pissed off a lot of players the last few years. Kyle Lowry, Kevin Martin, Tracy McGrady, T-Will, and of course our current problem Royce White have all caused media outbursts or acted inappropriately due to decisions by our management.
    If we had the guy without the attitude issues, obviously you take the risk, but I have seen nothing from the Rockets to suggest that we can handle this guy in a way that he will react positively to.

    RBF, you don't think Love can be a top 5 talent? Last year his PER was 5th in the league, not that it's the only important stat, but the guy is a beast and has only been getting better IMO. Currently not a top 5, but I think it's more likely that he gets there than Cousins.
    blakecouey don't get me wrong I like love he is a very very good player(allstar) and would have my main issue with him covered (defense) with asik next to him. I know his PER is outstanding, but he just looks like a rebounding scola to me. the reason I say cousins over him is cousins has the talent to overpower teams if groomed properly. if the rockets could pull off a trade for love I say do it if the price is right. this thread was about cousins and I was just making my point that I believe the rockets are the type of team I think can turn this kid into something special. yes he is a headache, but enviroment sometimes can be everything. the kings front office is a mess and that's being kind about it. cousins like all NBA stars nowadays wants to play in a major market. he has not been happy from the time they drafted him because he don't like them. I'm not saying there is no risk involved because there is, but his talent level is worth(IMO) the risk
  • BrandyonTX says 1 YEAR ago There is no good reason to bring Cousins in. We aren't the team that was desperate for an all-star caliber player that we were only a few months back anymore.

    blakecouey and Jeby mentioned that McHale has not been the guy to turn malcontents into team players. He weeds the malcontents out, rather than holding their hands. I, for one, enjoy seeing that from my team, rather than the pandering to player demands we see so often.

    In additional to being a high maintence 22 year-old child, he's THE MOST INEFFCIENT front court starter in the league. His 41% FG percentage would barely be acceptable as a guard. As a front court player, it's a JOKE. Part of that is low basketball IQ. Part of it is having the work ethic of a young Eddy Curry. The only thing he does well is rebound, which our current center does better.

    Cousins is a trainwreck. The Rockets have plenty of cap space for the coming offseason, and have no reason to take the massive risk on this type of player. I'd be more interested in his teammate, Evans. I'd be even more interested in Josh Smith, Paul Millsap, or Al Jefferson. Even adding depth like Carl Landry, JJ Hickson, Corey Brewer, Budinger, etc would be better than bringing in someone who has only proved he can get his coaches pissed in a hurry.
  • Jeby says 1 YEAR ago Have to agree with blakecouey in doubting the Rockets' ability to change Cousins. McHale has had success with guys who were already driven to improve and behave (Love and Garnett), and I'm not sure that Cousins fits that mold.
    The only thing that I think would speak to Cousins would be something that shocked him into understanding how negatively his behavior will affect his career. If he gets considerable less than the max after his rookie contract, then I think that will wake him up. His skill makes him a max player. But when he loses 10 million or more from his first big contract ONLY because of his attitude, he'll realize he can't get away with anything.
    The problem is, someone WILL throw max money at him at the end of his rookie deal, and he will continue to believe that he can play just well enough to remain a starter, and behave just well enough to stay in the league. He'll be another decade of Sheed.
  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago No team in this league will take Royce White.....besides, there aren't many times who have so many short trips like the Rockets to allow him to travel by bus if that's a thing that could help him.....
  • blakecouey says 1 YEAR ago I can't believe so many people here are in the mindset that we could be the team to change him. Aside from pairing him with his Kentucky teammate what makes you think he'd suddenly mature? Our coaching staff/front office has pissed off a lot of players the last few years. Kyle Lowry, Kevin Martin, Tracy McGrady, T-Will, and of course our current problem Royce White have all caused media outbursts or acted inappropriately due to decisions by our management.
    If we had the guy without the attitude issues, obviously you take the risk, but I have seen nothing from the Rockets to suggest that we can handle this guy in a way that he will react positively to.

    RBF, you don't think Love can be a top 5 talent? Last year his PER was 5th in the league, not that it's the only important stat, but the guy is a beast and has only been getting better IMO. Currently not a top 5, but I think it's more likely that he gets there than Cousins.
  • Red94 says 1 YEAR ago New post: More on Cousins
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago I appreciate all the "glass-half-full" positivity around here.....Buuuuuut no freakin way is this a good idea.....Unless we get him and stuff him in the d-league until he begs for mercy and knows that any bad behavior gets him back in "time-out" . That I like.

    Oh, and to repeat my caveat emptor: DERRICK COLEMAN!!! Does no one remember how everyone said the same things about him over and over and he got chance after chance due to his talent and every single team regretted it? I do.
  • redfaithful says 1 YEAR ago At the right price (which could be very low a few weeks from now) Cousins could be a smart bet for the Rockets. The change of settings from a team below .333 in the last few years to a team constantly above .500 will give him a much better starting point. In addition, on the court this is Harden's team, and there's a HOF big man on the lines, so there will be much clearer sources of authority than in SAC. There's always risk of him not growing up fast enough, but IMHO he's worth the bet.
  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago I know Cousins is even "babier" than Dwight Howard, but I truly believe that lot of his antics have to do with being in one of the worst teams in the NBA, and probably the worst management around the league. It would be a steal if any team can steer his head and keep him from those kind of things, but I'm not sure the Rockets are that team that could right him up, since we are not anywhere near championship contention and we don't have a truly respected superstar (although I think Cousins would really love to play alongside Harden, hell, he is more capable than the entire Kings roster all together, including Tyreke).
  • NathanZachary says 1 YEAR ago Leave that cancer alone. Do not disrupt the Rockets team chemistry. What Cousins needs right now is a psychiatrist and a pediatrician to help him mature.
  • Yosembok says 1 YEAR ago At least he owned up. I hope he learns and not waste his talent.
  • Ostrow says 1 YEAR ago If he is dirt cheap, which me may be now, I think he might be worth an attempt. If the Kings are just trying to unload him, and we only have to give up a piece or two I think it is worth it. Play him at PF. If he can get his head semi-right that would make him a steal.
  • Red94 says 1 YEAR ago New post: Sacramento Kings suspend forward DeMarcus Cousins indefinitely
  • Yosembok says 1 YEAR ago

    rockets best fan, on 20 December 2012 - 22:39 PM said:


    I agree cousins is immature, but I believe the rockets can turn this guy. their is no questioning his talent. the guy is an oversized kid who needs to grow up. he's not a bad kid he just need someone to channel and focus his attention and energy on polishing his game. I think the rockets are the right team to pull that out of him. the kings front office is a mess and there is no leadership in the locker room. that's a major part of the problem. the kings don't really want to trade him so I would be more worried about what they may want in return. I think their asking price may be to high.


    Haven't seen if McHale s tough enough to handle someone like Cousins. Someone like Mike Woodson who would get in his grill and bench him for multiple games is what he needs. He is going to eat any coach that's soft and doesn't have owner's support, but, like you said he has world of talent and some of the best hands I've seen. Unfortunately, his brain is light years behind his talent. Maybe he needs to get cut like Blatche before he straightens out.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago I agree cousins is immature, but I believe the rockets can turn this guy. their is no questioning his talent. the guy is an oversized kid who needs to grow up. he's not a bad kid he just need someone to channel and focus his attention and energy on polishing his game. I think the rockets are the right team to pull that out of him. the kings front office is a mess and there is no leadership in the locker room. that's a major part of the problem. the kings don't really want to trade him so I would be more worried about what they may want in return. I think their asking price may be to high.
  • Yosembok says 1 YEAR ago Just watched Cousins against the Warriors, he is just so immature. He got called for a block and he imitates the refmaking the call. Luckliy for him,he didn't get a T as healready had 5 fouls. Too emotionally immature that could blow at any time andcst you the game. No thank you, he isn't worth the headaches.
  • Cooper says 1 YEAR ago

    Johnny Rocket, on 19 December 2012 - 15:49 PM said:


    Yes!!! If he doesn't work out and proves to be a really bad citizen, he's has a relatively short contract, so the risks are minimal and there is tremendous upside here.

    There would be risk because sac won't give him up for cheap
  • Cooper says 1 YEAR ago

    Johnny Rocket, on 19 December 2012 - 15:49 PM said:


    Yes!!! If he doesn't work out and proves to be a really bad citizen, he's has a relatively short contract, so the risks are minimal and there is tremendous upside here.

    There would be risk because sac won't give him up for cheap
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago Two words: Derrick Coleman
  • Johnny Rocket says 1 YEAR ago Yes!!! If he doesn't work out and proves to be a really bad citizen, he's has a relatively short contract, so the risks are minimal and there is tremendous upside here.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago I agree with amacbrooks, Kevin Love over Demarcus Cousins. Though the chances of either of the players coming to the Rockets in the next few years is slim to nil.
  • amacbrooks12 says 1 YEAR ago woah, I'd take Kevin Love over Demarcus Cousins ANYDAY.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Yosembok, on 19 December 2012 - 06:57 AM said:


    Kevin Love
    while the rockets can't go wrong with cousins or love I prefer cousins. I think when he reaches his ceiling he can become possible top 5 in the league with the right coaching. and by the way welcome to the fourm :rolleyes:
  • Yosembok says 1 YEAR ago Kevin Love
  • Stephen says 1 YEAR ago Cousins does have a world of talent...but he is far,far from having the remotest idea of what maturity and professionalism are.
    The second time Cousins doesn't even bother to so much as jog back on D,McHale would yank his butt and bench him for eternity.
    Cousins is going to take YEARS before he comes close to having a clue-if it ever happens. It'll probably happen on his third team.

    But of more immediate import,the Kings have committed themselves to Cousins. They simply won't trade him. They've chosen Cousins over Tyreke and they aren't changing their minds anytime soon.
  • sircharles says 1 YEAR ago i honestly think a lot of cousions problems are also caused by how horrible the kings are run, that franchise is a trainwreck. With a good organization and good role models around him he could do amazing things, he is a rare talent.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago if the rockets can get cousins without giving up harden,asik,jones or monte it would be a steal. even if you don't like the head games you gotta admit the kid has allstar talent at a weak position in the league. I believe we can handle him better than the kings. cousins+harden can be special and if we can include white in the deal that (IMO) is a blockbuster.
  • Chichos says 1 YEAR ago Honestly I see PPat as the only guy who has a chance to get through to Cousins on our roster. I know Blatche is having a breakout season, but he had already hit rock bottom in Washington. I don't think Boogie has gotten there yet.
  • Cooper says 1 YEAR ago No he's to unstable to give up what sac would want for him, I'd rather go for Evans if we getting someone from the kings.
  • blakecouey says 1 YEAR ago I agree with your points that he can be a very good player, but adding a bad influence/questionable character guy to a young team could be detrimental to the future of our club.
    I would rather see us wait closer to the deadline and see where we're at. If it looks like we're in the hunt, make a move for an established guy. If we're out of it or the path looks rough, I'd be excited to see us trade someone for a good lottery chance.
  • bboley24 says 1 YEAR ago No. He is venom. There is not one troubled person on our team excluding Royce which has no relevance anyway. I know you're down with the Kentucky... why can't ppat suffice for you!?

    WHERE IS ROYCE WHITE!?

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