Here’s the link to my interview this morning with ESPN Radio’s Houston Game Day where I looked ahead to the implications of the Howard signing upon Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin.
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Total comments: 91My mistake, too many Burger King munchies late last night!Horry and Cassell weren't in the Drexler trade. They were apart of the Barkley trade.
It's only a sense of humor when it's actually funny--something I learned the hard way very recently.
Except LeBron by himself doesn't win a ring. That's been proven. All stars have needed a Robin (except for Hakeem 94 and Dirk 11) since 1980. Jordan no Pippen, no ring. Kobe no Shaq no Pau, no ring. Duncan has either had Parker or Robinson. So there is a price that is too high. But I would trade everyone except the one star to pair with LeBron, for Lebron.
Except LeBron by himself doesn't win a ring. That's been proven. All stars have needed a Robin (except for Hakeem 94 and Dirk 11) since 1980. Jordan no Pippen, no ring. Kobe no Shaq no Pau, no ring. Duncan has either had Parker or Robinson. So there is a price that is too high. But I would trade everyone except the one star to pair with LeBron, for Lebron.
It is sometimes referred to as sense of humor. Keep up with the good work Steven.
It's only a sense of humor when it's actually funny--something I learned the hard way very recently.
Except us trading a large expiring contract at the Trade Deadline won't necessarily (nor likely) be to sign a free agent in the summer of 2015, etc. Instead I envision a move similar to what the Rockets accomplished in 1994-95 when trading away Horry and Cassell for Clyde the Glide Drexler. In other words, why not keep that bullet in your arsenal (Asik and Lin expiring contracts) as long as possible. Although I don't expect Asik will last to the trade deadline in 2015. If he's still around by then, I assume it's because the Rockets were able to find a way to give him enough minutes by figuring out (miraculously in my opinion) a way for Asik and D12 to be on the floor for long minutes.
Is this trolling? Or maybe it's my imagination running wild.
It is sometimes referred to as sense of humor. Keep up with the good work Steven.
Except us trading a large expiring contract at the Trade Deadline won't necessarily (nor likely) be to sign a free agent in the summer of 2015, etc. Instead I envision a move similar to what the Rockets accomplished in 1994-95 when trading away Horry and Cassell for Clyde the Glide Drexler. In other words, why not keep that bullet in your arsenal (Asik and Lin expiring contracts) as long as possible. Although I don't expect Asik will last to the trade deadline in 2015. If he's still around by then, I assume it's because the Rockets were able to find a way to give him enough minutes by figuring out (miraculously in my opinion) a way for Asik and D12 to be on the floor for long minutes.I agree large expiring contracts are a commodity. but asik and lin don't expire until the 2015 FA class how can that help?
Is this trolling? Or maybe it's my imagination running wild.Lebron sucks. I wouldn't even trade Jeremy Lin for him.
while Lebron may be the best player right now.........the best team will win the championship. LeBron on a one year rental vs. giving up what we have. I wouldn't do it.........no one player is worth that. especially when you have nothing to put around him.
Except LeBron by himself doesn't win a ring. That's been proven. All stars have needed a Robin (except for Hakeem 94 and Dirk 11) since 1980. Jordan no Pippen, no ring. Kobe no Shaq no Pau, no ring. Duncan has either had Parker or Robinson. So there is a price that is too high. But I would trade everyone except the one star to pair with LeBron, for Lebron.
No price is too high for Lebron.
No price is too high for Lebron.
If you can get Lebron you have to do it, period. I don't know about you guys but I think the world of Lebron, and I'm confident Morey does too.
disagree..........there is a point where even his price can get to high. if Miami wants Howard and Harden you still down? I wouldn't be
Lebron sucks. I wouldn't even trade Jeremy Lin for him.
If you can get Lebron you have to do it, period. I don't know about you guys but I think the world of Lebron, and I'm confident Morey does too.
If you can get Lebron you have to do it, period. I don't know about you guys but I think the world of Lebron, and I'm confident Morey does too.
For a one year rental? I would too. Also keeping these guys gives us the opportunity of taking back the equivalent salary. We probably have no realistic shot at Lebron, but someone else? Of course.
I would really hate giving up those players, but I tend to agree. if you can get LeBron without giving up Harden or Howard you almost have to do it
A one year rental with the potential of an extension if we do well and show promise. It will be just a one and done if we perform like the Lakers did this year, but I don't think that will be the case barring serious injury to Dwight and/or Harden. I'm not worried about role players, Morey has never had trouble finding cheap underrated role players.
Can you imagine a front court of Dwight and Lebron? My goodness... Then Harden and Beverley/Canaan in the back-court, Garcia/Covington/Papaloukas at SF. That's a championship team.
So what you're basically asking is "if we have the choice to get Lebron without giving up our two best players, should we do it?". My answer is an emphatic yes.
What if the best deal the Heat can get for a rental of Lebron James(if he opts out and doesn't promise to re-sign) is Lin/Asik/Parsons/Jones(or DMo)?
Do we make that deal?
I agree large expiring contracts are a commodity. but asik and lin don't expire until the 2015 FA class how can that help?
Exactly my sentiments. Although I would expect Asik to be moved sooner than that IF the right player becomes available (Aldridge, Bosh, Love)Large expiring contracts are trade commodities. With the big 2014 free agent list, a lot of teams are going to want to make space. Lin and Asik would make good trade pieces then.
after chris broussard's "50/50" comment and many of the misstatements, im not sure how much i trust the media. there does seem to be a character assassination on howard. there is definitely a motive behind the media.
I totally agree
If Howard said he wants Lin to stay and there isn't much of a market for him, why not keep him? Howard has a history of being a whiner if he doesn't get his way, so why not keep him happy if it won't hurt the team?
what were you expecting him to say.......he can't stand Lin? Morey is still the GM. I have stated it before and I will say it again. Morey's obligation is to the rockets and to build the best team he can. if something presents itself that is advantageous to the rockets and Howard disagrees while he may weigh Howard's distaste for the transaction ultimately he must do what is best for the rockets.
after chris broussard's "50/50" comment and many of the misstatements, im not sure how much i trust the media. there does seem to be a character assassination on howard. there is definitely a motive behind the media.
If Howard said he wants Lin to stay and there isn't much of a market for him, why not keep him? Howard has a history of being a whiner if he doesn't get his way, so why not keep him happy if it won't hurt the team?
override? sure their opinions count......that goes without saying, but override? that's over board. trust me Morey is still running the team.
Thanks RBF--obviously Morey is running the team. I would say he is smart enough to know when to listen to his guys. This is only in reference to the next two years in my opinion. Once contracts expire it's a whole new ballgame, but for now Harden/Howard have spoken--did you read the article? Of course it's a joke when he says he has been demoted to Asst. GM. The point is clear though--they want to play together so let them do it.
Think about it....if you're Morey and Howard and Harden make it a point to say they want these guys on the roster what would you do? I would at least give them a year. If it is obviously not working then you can approach them with an alternative. The only thing Morey can accomplish with a trade this year is to alienate his stars--not a good plan.
My own opinions aside, certainly it says something that both Howard and Harden want Omer and Jeremy on the team. I don't think they would over-ride Morey and request they not be traded unless they believed they are good enough to win with. That's good enough for me.
override? sure their opinions count......that goes without saying, but override? that's over board. trust me Morey is still running the team.
As long as they can take the "we are here to win now" pitch we will be good. But try telling that to a couple of 23 year olds with tons of time left in their career. It takes alot of willpower to say I want to win now rather than give me the spotlight that I deserve.
My own opinions aside, certainly it says something that both Howard and Harden want Omer and Jeremy on the team. I don't think they would over-ride Morey and request they not be traded unless they believed they are good enough to win with. That's good enough for me.
I believe keeping Lin and Omer is a right move. They might not start but need a good depth if you want to be a contender.
We need to win or at least contend within next three year. We will lose Howard for sure if we were dumped out of first rounds.
They've certainly met on the court before duh ;)
word is Omer's been back playing on the Turkey national team most of the off season.
My own opinions aside, certainly it says something that both Howard and Harden want Omer and Jeremy on the team. I don't think they would over-ride Morey and request they not be traded unless they believed they are good enough to win with. That's good enough for me.
Well, here's the answer...for now....
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Morey says Asik and Lin are staying put.
Well, here's the answer...for now....
Morey says Asik and Lin are staying put.
If owners really give a damn about that difference in real money vs cap, Les would easily just fork over most of it in that deal anyway. you can trade up to 3 m in cash IIRC in any trade.
I think it was 3M in any trade before the new CBA, now it's 3M total per year to give away in trades.
I think most had bad view on Lin cause he made 8 mil per year. It is a bit more than average point guard. But they always forgot that ownership want him more than his basketball play. His marketing potentials in east is huge.
Parsons's production is about the same as Lin but he and Bev were paid less. So most are happy. What they don't know is sooner or later we have to pay them huge salaries.
Another thing is Lin is like Melo. I can't explain it. Fans are very strongly opinionated on those type of play. They either hate or love them.
If owners really give a damn about that difference in real money vs cap, Les would easily just fork over most of it in that deal anyway. you can trade up to 3 m in cash IIRC in any trade.
People advocating trading Lin view him as having no value, yet expect to get value back for trading him, error in logic?
Agree--that is way too much for Bosh. Now that Josh Smith is a non-issue I think we will develop our PF's that are on the roster and if they haven't excelled by the trade deadline of '14-'15 we go shopping again. We don't need them to be studs. We need good D and a little rebounding/efficient scoring when called upon. If they become studs then yay for us!
They expire in 2015....so it's quite the opposite. People looking to take a big name next year's free agency won't want to commit to a full extra year of them.
I agree totally
I actually think a Lin/Asik/Parsons would be enough for Bosh, but as with Miami 3 superstar offensive talents can't coexist optimally and Dwight believes that's what he is. You really need that third piece to do the things like superb defense, hustle, rebounding, etc... The only reason Miami won is because Lebron is a jack of all trades and Wade can still play good defense. Bosh is wasted in Miami.
even if Miami call us day and night about this trade I still wouldn't do it......exactly who is going to play SF? we have no need to trade Parsons......especial for a disappearing act like Bosh.
Large expiring contracts are trade commodities. With the big 2014 free agent list, a lot of teams are going to want to make space. Lin and Asik would make good trade pieces then.
They expire in 2015....so it's quite the opposite. People looking to take a big name next year's free agency won't want to commit to a full extra year of them.
I think PB is suitable for a back-up PG. I also think Rockets should trade Lin IF they do not plan to use him as the primary ball-handling PG because I think Rockets can find a PG who can cut and make long jumpers better than Lin. Having said this, I think Rockets should experiment with several set-ups to see which players fit best with Howard. I do feel that Lin's assist numbers will definitely go up playing with Howard if he's not traded.
totally agree. that's why now is the time to trade him. the closer he gets to next year the harder he will be to move
Large expiring contracts are trade commodities. With the big 2014 free agent list, a lot of teams are going to want to make space. Lin and Asik would make good trade pieces then.
Oh yeah and also I think either Lin gets traded during this coming season or he doesn't get traded. We need to remember that even though he only takes up 8.3 mil as far as the salary cap is concerned in each of the next two seasons, he will actually get paid 5 mil this season and a whopping 15 mil next season. I don't think too many owners are going to want to pay him that much that final season. If you trade him now that will average out to 10 mil a season which is more bearable and in fact a steal this season at 5 mil, but come next season or even the trade deadline, I wouldn't think too many people will be lining up to pay Lin that much unless he is flat out balling and in that case, why would we trade him?
Edit: Oops wrong thread.
totally agree. that's why now is the time to trade him. the closer he gets to next year the harder he will be to move
Oh yeah and also I think either Lin gets traded during this coming season or he doesn't get traded. We need to remember that even though he only takes up 8.3 mil as far as the salary cap is concerned in each of the next two seasons, he will actually get paid 5 mil this season and a whopping 15 mil next season. I don't think too many owners are going to want to pay him that much that final season. If you trade him now that will average out to 10 mil a season which is more bearable and in fact a steal this season at 5 mil, but come next season or even the trade deadline, I wouldn't think too many people will be lining up to pay Lin that much unless he is flat out balling and in that case, why would we trade him?
Edit: Oops wrong thread.
Is Abrooks too expensive to bring back? I love the kid! I know he is bev.1 but he was a good POINT GUARD
Is Abrooks too expensive to bring back? I love the kid! I know he is bev.1 but he was a good POINT GUARD
I said it before, but it bears repeating--this concern about "hack-attacks" against Dwight and Omer is a non-issue. In the last 5 minutes of games--presuming we have the lead--we can switch to a defensive unit of Harden, Garcia, Parsons, Howard, and Asik (maybe use Bev in there depending on the match-ups...I like Garcia guarding a Deron Williams type whereas Bev might be better on a Westbrook/Tony Parker...). That unit will be incredibly hard to get off a good shot against and opponents will be lucky to score above 30% against us. Meanwhile, if they can even afford the fouls, they will be putting two 50% ft shooters on the line every single possession. That equates to 1 point per possession which is actually quite good. That is the same as shooting 50% fg. We will outscore them--plain and simple. Opposing teams will be better off playing regular defense and hoping our shots don't fall.
Another alternative, if the opposition goes small and puts 4 3-pt. shooters on the floor is to pull Asik and bring in D-Mo or T-Jones. D-Mo, at 7' tall, will give spot-up 3 pt. shooters a tough time and Jones is athletic enough to do the same. Garcia is 6'7", Parsons is 6'10", D-Mo is 7', and T-Jones is 6'9"....with Howard anchoring the middle they can play up on their man and effectively stifle any 3 pt. attack.
Either way--scoring is going to be difficult.
A few thoughts after D12 trade:
- Asik/Dwight combo is FT nightmare. They can't be together on court during crunch time.
- We should keep Asik/Lin if we have enough money, we shouldn't be changing too much. Having stars on the court doesn't translate winning. Remember LA had Kobe, Howard, Gasol, Nash
- Trade Asik if he really want out, keeping Asik against his will doesn't do any good for him and Organization.
- Hope Harden improve his ball handling (believe it or not, he had more turnovers than Lin and lost the ball a lot during critical plays)
- Hope we had successful first half of the new season. (D12 would call for new coach if we losing bad)
I think for the twin towers to work, one of the towers needs to have an outside shot. Olajuwan had one. Howard and Asik have two of the lowest FT% in the NBA. The games will be rife with Hack-a-Howard and Hack-a-Asik.
I think neither Asik nor Lin should be traded. McHale knows twin towers can win championships from Olajuwan and Sampson at Houston--and from Parrish and McHale at Boston. Howard and Asik are mobile enough that one can essentially fill the power forward niche. It is too early to give up on Lin. At this point he is by the numbers only an average PG. But he has only one-and-a-half years NBA experience and did not have first-tier college basketball experience. He has shown flashes of transcendence that suggest further upside potential. His numbers are actually slightly better than Deron Williams at the same stage of his career. Few people remember how rough Williams' first NBA year was, and Williams was coming off a team that played in a tough college conference, was ranked number 1 in the nation most of the year, and got all the way to the NCAA championship game, so he came to the NBA well seasoned. Give Lin a bit more time.
Surely, this not a response to what I wrote. I am certain you would not write that I should stop watching basketball. If this is indeed directed at me you should read what I wrote before. No forum member should ever suggest to another forum that they should stop watching basketball, Rollingwave you craft outstanding arguments and I am sure you can do better than that.
If you think a suspect handle NCAA 2nd rounder PG from a meh conference where he was the oldest player has better handle than any current NBA PG, starting or not, you should stop watching basketball.
Talking about Bynum and Gasol......Gasol has an outside shot. That has to be the least relevant comparison ever.
I think neither Asik nor Lin should be traded. McHale knows twin towers can win championships from Olajuwan and Sampson at Houston--and from Parrish and McHale at Boston. Howard and Asik are mobile enough that one can essentially fill the power forward niche. It is too early to give up on Lin. At this point he is by the numbers only an average PG. But he has only one-and-a-half years NBA experience and did not have first-tier college basketball experience. He has shown flashes of transcendence that suggest further upside potential. His numbers are actually slightly better than Deron Williams at the same stage of his career. Few people remember how rough Williams' first NBA year was, and Williams was coming off a team that played in a tough college conference, was ranked number 1 in the nation most of the year, and got all the way to the NCAA championship game, so he came to the NBA well seasoned. Give Lin a bit more time.
I think for the twin towers to work, one of the towers needs to have an outside shot. Olajuwan had one. Howard and Asik have two of the lowest FT% in the NBA. The games will be rife with Hack-a-Howard and Hack-a-Asik.
Oh wow u were serious..no sir that won't be happening..now u guys are saying that a second round rookie is better then Lin..havnt even seen this kid play an your ready for him to to start..can we please calm down and wait til the season starts or Lin gets traded to start the bashing..putting The rookie over him is just getting crazy
The twin towers is a concept that could work since Howard is a very mobile big. In my mind he would definitely play the PF position on offense and defense. Although not a great floor spacing duo, they are adequate enough passers that it may work. If the Lakers could win a couple of championships with Bynum and Gasol clogging the middle, I think Howard and Asik has a chance to make it work.
Lin on the other hand will always be limited by Harden. It's like how Jordan never had a good PG play next to him. He handles the ball way too much to make good use of one. Lin is still developing, but I think it's clear he's not going to ever be a top tier PG. He can easily grow into a good second tier one though, if not already.
The Rockets have some great pieces and hopefully in the next couple years can knock off the Heat. Everyone saw how vulnerable they can be to lesser teams.
I think neither Asik nor Lin should be traded. McHale knows twin towers can win championships from Olajuwan and Sampson at Houston--and from Parrish and McHale at Boston. Howard and Asik are mobile enough that one can essentially fill the power forward niche. It is too early to give up on Lin. At this point he is by the numbers only an average PG. But he has only one-and-a-half years NBA experience and did not have first-tier college basketball experience. He has shown flashes of transcendence that suggest further upside potential. His numbers are actually slightly better than Deron Williams at the same stage of his career. Few people remember how rough Williams' first NBA year was, and Williams was coming off a team that played in a tough college conference, was ranked number 1 in the nation most of the year, and got all the way to the NCAA championship game, so he came to the NBA well seasoned. Give Lin a bit more time.
Didn't we have a rookie on that squad back in '94? What was that kid's name?.....I think he played the point.....
you mean the guy that started 8 games all year mostly due to injury, and wasn't a full starter until his age 28 season?
Sam Cassell was really good, he was an underrated prospect who well exceeded all rational expectation, expecting that from anyone is insane.
Oh btw, he was also an above average sized guard instead of a well below average one.
If you think a suspect handle NCAA 2nd rounder PG from a meh conference where he was the oldest player has better handle than any current NBA PG, starting or not, you should stop watching basketball.
Didn't we have a rookie on that squad back in '94? What was that kid's name?.....I think he played the point.....
Machado couldn't shoot. Canaan can shoot. That's needed with the current roster.
as much as i like canaan, thats what everyone was saying about machado.....
sign and trade asik to the nuggets for corey brewer and andre miller(like they need another center)
Canaan will be the starter come playoffs.
as much as i like canaan, thats what everyone was saying about machado.....
It's actually $9M and that's cause of the fifth year, but whose counting.Houston Rockets championship contenders:
"I'm betting $30 million on it"
-Dwight Howard
Im loving this!
Houston Rockets championship contenders:
"I'm betting $30 million on it"
-Dwight Howard
Im loving this!
He knows that Lin is better right now he just doesn't think that Lin is 8 mil better then Bev..he thinks we can better spend the 8mil..and I'm just wondering what he and others that want Lin gone expect from Lin this year stat wise and what they think Bev would do stat wise in his place..so when Lin Destroys those numbers they expect, i and others can say we are right..and vise versa ovcourse
I see at least you know where I stand. thanks for clearing that up. ;)
as for asik and Lin.............I think it would not be out of the question to see one or both moved before the season. unlike some I am comfortable with a Howard, T-Jones, D-MO, G-Smith rotation among PF and C. YES we could add some depth, but we'll be fine there. PG however is a different story. while I will agree I may have stretched it a bit suggesting bev is a starter....he isn't that far behind Lin. getting a better shooter in that position should be what the rockets next move is.
beverly is only overrated because of his age. The kid has peaked as a great defender and spark plug but not a starter in this league. He has been playing professional basketball for a while now and his development has gone very well but im afraid he is what you see. That's just my opinion though.
RIP Royce White. You will... well... you're gone.
Lets all hope that Lin doesn't get moved so he can prove most of you guys wrong..so once again we if he does stay on the team and starts for the most of the season were do u see his stats at next year?...and what does he need to achieve to admit you were wrong.
P.S Bev is overrated if you think he is a starting pg on a championship team..I would be interested to hear what stats you think Bev would have starting in Lins place..please keep in mind he had more turnovers per 48 then lin
Shhhhh.... RBF's head will explode if you give stats that prove Lin is better than Bev.
I think its best if we move Lin and Omer. Omer and Howard are two similar players. Very good at one end and challenge on the other end. Lin and Omer to Los Angeles in my mind seems like a no brainer, but who wins in that trade. Lin, Omer, Bryant, Gasol and Metta World Peace sounds better than Howard, Parson, Smith, Beverly and Harden. Trust me Beverly is not a elite player in this league. We still have time, but to compete we must have pieces that fit into holes needed on this team. Harden likes the ball in his hands can he defer at least twenty times a game giving the ball to Howard. Then what happens to Parson and Lin. They can only play with one ball. Who takes a lesser role.
I spent the whole day checking Twitter and being on the DreamShake blog. I was really worried when Golden State started making all those trades. I thought the Slim Thug tweets were hilarious and lets not forget about Jim Parsons youtube video. I like Beverly but not sure if ready to be a starter just yet. Plus I like the idea of him coming off the bench and being a sparkplug. Remember when Lowry used to have that role. He was great at it. I think we're giving up on LIn to quick. I want to see how he does with a year under his belt and a full training camp with the current roster .
@Rahat
Beverly overrated? while I don't think he is the next coming of cp3 I do think he is starter material. I think he will improve much more than Lin this summer. I have read on some other sites the rockets are trying to move Lin. this is the right move to me. Lin is still the weakest link to me on this team. I think we can live without Lin;s offensive production because of Howard being added to the equation. I still believe the rockets should call phoenix and see if Dragic can be had
I would like to see that rotation to. I just hope theyre ready for more minutes. Although I guess the only way to get them ready is by playing them more. Royce White was never my hero but I was pulling for him until it seemed he really wasnt trying to get back into the game. I understand standing up for a cause but he went about it all the wrong way. I don't think he really cares about getting on the court. All the other rookies always tweeted about going to the gym and working on their game. Marcus Morris always posted instagram pics of him working on his game. The way to show everyone that anxiety can be overcome and people who suffer from it shouldnt be alienated would be by making comprises, working on his game , and getting on the court to show that it could be done. Simply put , he had to man up. Sorry for the long response but it canbe a touchy subject.
P.S I'm glad his gone so players who deserve to play arent cut cause he was taking up a roster space.
I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks and the hours leading up to Howard offically declaring he was signing with the Rockets actually had me like I was the verge of a panic attack lol . I was so thrilled when I read the statement from Mitch Kupchak and when Dwight changed his Twitter avatar pic. Anyways, I agree that so far the best bet is to simply hold onto Jeremy Lin and see what he can do with a such a talented roster. I also agree with keeping Asik to provide 48 mins. worth of elite defense and if possible maybe even do the twin towers approach whenever it is possible. I've read that D-Mo is now up to 260 which should help him. Maybe in the near future D12 and D-Mo could be the next Twin Towers.
I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks and the hours leading up to Howard offically declaring he was signing with the Rockets actually had me like I was the verge of a panic attack lol . I was so thrilled when I read the statement from Mitch Kupchak and when Dwight changed his Twitter avatar pic. Anyways, I agree that so far the best bet is to simply hold onto Jeremy Lin and see what he can do with a such a talented roster. I also agree with keeping Asik to provide 48 mins. worth of elite defense and if possible maybe even do the twin towers approach whenever it is possible. I've read that D-Mo is now up to 260 which should help him. Maybe in the near future D12 and D-Mo could be the next Twin Towers.