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Talking Howard, Asik, Lin and looking ahead

Here’s the link to my interview this morning with ESPN Radio’s Houston Game Day where I looked ahead to the implications of the Howard signing upon Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin.

 

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  • rocketrick says 1 YEAR ago

    Horry and Cassell weren't in the Drexler trade. They were apart of the Barkley trade.

    My mistake, too many Burger King munchies late last night!

    That was Otis Thorpe that was traded to Portland for Clyde the Glide. Cassell and Horry were traded the year after the Rockets won back to back Championships for Sir Barkley. Could have been a favorable trade if Barkley had stayed healthy. Reminds me of Matt Maloney running point that season, that experiment failed miserably in the playoffs.
  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago


    It's only a sense of humor when it's actually funny--something I learned the hard way very recently.


    Yea. But you can get away with it not being funny as long as it isn't personal. I try to only talk about players/team/coach, not fellow posters. Unless I'm thanking them for admitting I have won the debate.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago

    Except LeBron by himself doesn't win a ring. That's been proven. All stars have needed a Robin (except for Hakeem 94 and Dirk 11) since 1980. Jordan no Pippen, no ring. Kobe no Shaq no Pau, no ring. Duncan has either had Parker or Robinson. So there is a price that is too high. But I would trade everyone except the one star to pair with LeBron, for Lebron.


    Kobe was Shaq's sidekick
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago


    Except LeBron by himself doesn't win a ring. That's been proven. All stars have needed a Robin (except for Hakeem 94 and Dirk 11) since 1980. Jordan no Pippen, no ring. Kobe no Shaq no Pau, no ring. Duncan has either had Parker or Robinson. So there is a price that is too high. But I would trade everyone except the one star to pair with LeBron, for Lebron.

  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    It is sometimes referred to as sense of humor. Keep up with the good work Steven.

    It's only a sense of humor when it's actually funny--something I learned the hard way very recently.

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago


    Except us trading a large expiring contract at the Trade Deadline won't necessarily (nor likely) be to sign a free agent in the summer of 2015, etc. Instead I envision a move similar to what the Rockets accomplished in 1994-95 when trading away Horry and Cassell for Clyde the Glide Drexler. In other words, why not keep that bullet in your arsenal (Asik and Lin expiring contracts) as long as possible. Although I don't expect Asik will last to the trade deadline in 2015. If he's still around by then, I assume it's because the Rockets were able to find a way to give him enough minutes by figuring out (miraculously in my opinion) a way for Asik and D12 to be on the floor for long minutes.


    Horry and Cassell weren't in the Drexler trade. They were apart of the Barkley trade.
  • redfaithful says 1 YEAR ago

    Is this trolling? Or maybe it's my imagination running wild.

    It is sometimes referred to as sense of humor. Keep up with the good work Steven.

  • rocketrick says 1 YEAR ago

    I agree large expiring contracts are a commodity. but asik and lin don't expire until the 2015 FA class how can that help?

    Except us trading a large expiring contract at the Trade Deadline won't necessarily (nor likely) be to sign a free agent in the summer of 2015, etc. Instead I envision a move similar to what the Rockets accomplished in 1994-95 when trading away Horry and Cassell for Clyde the Glide Drexler. In other words, why not keep that bullet in your arsenal (Asik and Lin expiring contracts) as long as possible. Although I don't expect Asik will last to the trade deadline in 2015. If he's still around by then, I assume it's because the Rockets were able to find a way to give him enough minutes by figuring out (miraculously in my opinion) a way for Asik and D12 to be on the floor for long minutes.
  • rocketrick says 1 YEAR ago

    Lebron sucks. I wouldn't even trade Jeremy Lin for him.

    Is this trolling? Or maybe it's my imagination running wild.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    while Lebron may be the best player right now.........the best team will win the championship. LeBron on a one year rental vs. giving up what we have. I wouldn't do it.........no one player is worth that. especially when you have nothing to put around him.

  • Cooper says 1 YEAR ago The heat would not trade lebron unless he said there was absolutely no way he's resigning.
    And in the event he was available everyone but harden should be an option in a trade.
  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago


    No price is too high for Lebron.

    Except LeBron by himself doesn't win a ring. That's been proven. All stars have needed a Robin (except for Hakeem 94 and Dirk 11) since 1980. Jordan no Pippen, no ring. Kobe no Shaq no Pau, no ring. Duncan has either had Parker or Robinson. So there is a price that is too high. But I would trade everyone except the one star to pair with LeBron, for Lebron.
  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    No price is too high for Lebron.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    If you can get Lebron you have to do it, period. I don't know about you guys but I think the world of Lebron, and I'm confident Morey does too.

    disagree..........there is a point where even his price can get to high. if Miami wants Howard and Harden you still down? I wouldn't be

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago


    If you can get Lebron you have to do it, period. I don't know about you guys but I think the world of Lebron, and I'm confident Morey does too.

    Lebron sucks. I wouldn't even trade Jeremy Lin for him.
  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    If you can get Lebron you have to do it, period. I don't know about you guys but I think the world of Lebron, and I'm confident Morey does too.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    For a one year rental? I would too. Also keeping these guys gives us the opportunity of taking back the equivalent salary. We probably have no realistic shot at Lebron, but someone else? Of course.

    I would really hate giving up those players, but I tend to agree. if you can get LeBron without giving up Harden or Howard you almost have to do it

  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    A one year rental with the potential of an extension if we do well and show promise. It will be just a one and done if we perform like the Lakers did this year, but I don't think that will be the case barring serious injury to Dwight and/or Harden. I'm not worried about role players, Morey has never had trouble finding cheap underrated role players.

    Can you imagine a front court of Dwight and Lebron? My goodness... Then Harden and Beverley/Canaan in the back-court, Garcia/Covington/Papaloukas at SF. That's a championship team.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago For a one year rental? I would too. Also keeping these guys gives us the opportunity of taking back the equivalent salary. We probably have no realistic shot at Lebron, but someone else? Of course.
  • 2016Champions says 1 YEAR ago

    So what you're basically asking is "if we have the choice to get Lebron without giving up our two best players, should we do it?". My answer is an emphatic yes.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago

    What if the best deal the Heat can get for a rental of Lebron James(if he opts out and doesn't promise to re-sign) is Lin/Asik/Parsons/Jones(or DMo)?

    Do we make that deal?

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    I agree large expiring contracts are a commodity. but asik and lin don't expire until the 2015 FA class how can that help?

  • rocketrick says 1 YEAR ago

    Large expiring contracts are trade commodities. With the big 2014 free agent list, a lot of teams are going to want to make space. Lin and Asik would make good trade pieces then.

    Exactly my sentiments. Although I would expect Asik to be moved sooner than that IF the right player becomes available (Aldridge, Bosh, Love)
  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago Yea RBF I agree that if Morey belived that trading one or both would give us a better chance then he wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger..but what is great for the team is that are superstars enjoy and believe in Lin and Asik..I think it speaks volumes that they are going out of their way to involve the whole team in going to LA to workout..we have two of the most unselfish superstars in the Nba..honestly at this point we shouldn't argue about who is staying are not..Lin and Asik are not going Anywere til after the season starts..lets get behind them as fans..and hope our team performs at a high Lvl
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    after chris broussard's "50/50" comment and many of the misstatements, im not sure how much i trust the media. there does seem to be a character assassination on howard. there is definitely a motive behind the media.

    I totally agree

    If Howard said he wants Lin to stay and there isn't much of a market for him, why not keep him? Howard has a history of being a whiner if he doesn't get his way, so why not keep him happy if it won't hurt the team?

    what were you expecting him to say.......he can't stand Lin? Morey is still the GM. I have stated it before and I will say it again. Morey's obligation is to the rockets and to build the best team he can. if something presents itself that is advantageous to the rockets and Howard disagrees while he may weigh Howard's distaste for the transaction ultimately he must do what is best for the rockets.

  • miketheodio says 1 YEAR ago

    after chris broussard's "50/50" comment and many of the misstatements, im not sure how much i trust the media. there does seem to be a character assassination on howard. there is definitely a motive behind the media.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago

    If Howard said he wants Lin to stay and there isn't much of a market for him, why not keep him? Howard has a history of being a whiner if he doesn't get his way, so why not keep him happy if it won't hurt the team?

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    override? sure their opinions count......that goes without saying, but override? that's over board. trust me Morey is still running the team.

    Thanks RBF--obviously Morey is running the team. I would say he is smart enough to know when to listen to his guys. This is only in reference to the next two years in my opinion. Once contracts expire it's a whole new ballgame, but for now Harden/Howard have spoken--did you read the article? Of course it's a joke when he says he has been demoted to Asst. GM. The point is clear though--they want to play together so let them do it.

    Think about it....if you're Morey and Howard and Harden make it a point to say they want these guys on the roster what would you do? I would at least give them a year. If it is obviously not working then you can approach them with an alternative. The only thing Morey can accomplish with a trade this year is to alienate his stars--not a good plan.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    My own opinions aside, certainly it says something that both Howard and Harden want Omer and Jeremy on the team. I don't think they would over-ride Morey and request they not be traded unless they believed they are good enough to win with. That's good enough for me.

    override? sure their opinions count......that goes without saying, but override? that's over board. trust me Morey is still running the team.

  • bboley24 says 1 YEAR ago

    As long as they can take the "we are here to win now" pitch we will be good. But try telling that to a couple of 23 year olds with tons of time left in their career. It takes alot of willpower to say I want to win now rather than give me the spotlight that I deserve.

  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    My own opinions aside, certainly it says something that both Howard and Harden want Omer and Jeremy on the team. I don't think they would over-ride Morey and request they not be traded unless they believed they are good enough to win with. That's good enough for me.

    I believe keeping Lin and Omer is a right move. They might not start but need a good depth if you want to be a contender.

    We need to win or at least contend within next three year. We will lose Howard for sure if we were dumped out of first rounds.

  • RollingWave says 1 YEAR ago

    They've certainly met on the court before duh ;)

    word is Omer's been back playing on the Turkey national team most of the off season.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago Does anyone know if they've met or are friends?
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago I wonder how Omer reacts to Dwight. That's going to be interesting.
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    My own opinions aside, certainly it says something that both Howard and Harden want Omer and Jeremy on the team. I don't think they would over-ride Morey and request they not be traded unless they believed they are good enough to win with. That's good enough for me.

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago

    Well, here's the answer...for now....

    LINK

    Morey says Asik and Lin are staying put.


    Woohoo and "summamabytch".
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    Well, here's the answer...for now....

    LINK

    Morey says Asik and Lin are staying put.

  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago

    If owners really give a damn about that difference in real money vs cap, Les would easily just fork over most of it in that deal anyway. you can trade up to 3 m in cash IIRC in any trade.

    I think it was 3M in any trade before the new CBA, now it's 3M total per year to give away in trades.

  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    I think most had bad view on Lin cause he made 8 mil per year. It is a bit more than average point guard. But they always forgot that ownership want him more than his basketball play. His marketing potentials in east is huge.

    Parsons's production is about the same as Lin but he and Bev were paid less. So most are happy. What they don't know is sooner or later we have to pay them huge salaries.

    Another thing is Lin is like Melo. I can't explain it. Fans are very strongly opinionated on those type of play. They either hate or love them.

  • RollingWave says 1 YEAR ago

    If owners really give a damn about that difference in real money vs cap, Les would easily just fork over most of it in that deal anyway. you can trade up to 3 m in cash IIRC in any trade.

    People advocating trading Lin view him as having no value, yet expect to get value back for trading him, error in logic?

  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    Agree--that is way too much for Bosh. Now that Josh Smith is a non-issue I think we will develop our PF's that are on the roster and if they haven't excelled by the trade deadline of '14-'15 we go shopping again. We don't need them to be studs. We need good D and a little rebounding/efficient scoring when called upon. If they become studs then yay for us!

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    They expire in 2015....so it's quite the opposite. People looking to take a big name next year's free agency won't want to commit to a full extra year of them.

    I agree totally

    I actually think a Lin/Asik/Parsons would be enough for Bosh, but as with Miami 3 superstar offensive talents can't coexist optimally and Dwight believes that's what he is. You really need that third piece to do the things like superb defense, hustle, rebounding, etc... The only reason Miami won is because Lebron is a jack of all trades and Wade can still play good defense. Bosh is wasted in Miami.

    even if Miami call us day and night about this trade I still wouldn't do it......exactly who is going to play SF? we have no need to trade Parsons......especial for a disappearing act like Bosh.

  • ale11 says 1 YEAR ago

    Large expiring contracts are trade commodities. With the big 2014 free agent list, a lot of teams are going to want to make space. Lin and Asik would make good trade pieces then.

    They expire in 2015....so it's quite the opposite. People looking to take a big name next year's free agency won't want to commit to a full extra year of them.

  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago I actually think a Lin/Asik/Parsons would be enough for Bosh, but as with Miami 3 superstar offensive talents can't coexist optimally and Dwight believes that's what he is. You really need that third piece to do the things like superb defense, hustle, rebounding, etc... The only reason Miami won is because Lebron is a jack of all trades and Wade can still play good defense. Bosh is wasted in Miami.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago The only bad thing about Lin's contract is it will be a cap hit of 8.3 but the team would have to pay him 15 mil. Small market teams would balk at that. And most big market teams don't need a PG.
  • webattorney says 1 YEAR ago

    I think PB is suitable for a back-up PG. I also think Rockets should trade Lin IF they do not plan to use him as the primary ball-handling PG because I think Rockets can find a PG who can cut and make long jumpers better than Lin. Having said this, I think Rockets should experiment with several set-ups to see which players fit best with Howard. I do feel that Lin's assist numbers will definitely go up playing with Howard if he's not traded.

  • quatin says 1 YEAR ago

    totally agree. that's why now is the time to trade him. the closer he gets to next year the harder he will be to move

    Large expiring contracts are trade commodities. With the big 2014 free agent list, a lot of teams are going to want to make space. Lin and Asik would make good trade pieces then.

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    Oh yeah and also I think either Lin gets traded during this coming season or he doesn't get traded. We need to remember that even though he only takes up 8.3 mil as far as the salary cap is concerned in each of the next two seasons, he will actually get paid 5 mil this season and a whopping 15 mil next season. I don't think too many owners are going to want to pay him that much that final season. If you trade him now that will average out to 10 mil a season which is more bearable and in fact a steal this season at 5 mil, but come next season or even the trade deadline, I wouldn't think too many people will be lining up to pay Lin that much unless he is flat out balling and in that case, why would we trade him?

    Edit: Oops wrong thread.

    totally agree. that's why now is the time to trade him. the closer he gets to next year the harder he will be to move

  • Dan G says 1 YEAR ago

    Oh yeah and also I think either Lin gets traded during this coming season or he doesn't get traded. We need to remember that even though he only takes up 8.3 mil as far as the salary cap is concerned in each of the next two seasons, he will actually get paid 5 mil this season and a whopping 15 mil next season. I don't think too many owners are going to want to pay him that much that final season. If you trade him now that will average out to 10 mil a season which is more bearable and in fact a steal this season at 5 mil, but come next season or even the trade deadline, I wouldn't think too many people will be lining up to pay Lin that much unless he is flat out balling and in that case, why would we trade him?

    Edit: Oops wrong thread.

  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago Man guys I have some trades i am falling in love with..I also think we should move Asik now..love Jimmer, I really want him on thiS team next year don't care how they get it done..I really like Anderson and Rivers for Asik and Dmo..gives us a lot of shooting and space..starting to like him going to clevland for Verajao and maybe Cj Miles..he is said to be coming back strong and will recover..he gives us a great energy guy now that reb great and can def Pf well..and more importantly he has a 10 mil team option next year were we can clear great space to add to this team next year..the kings have so many redundant players on that team..would love a Jimmer/Thornton and Jason Thompson for Asik and Dmo..All three of those trades really helps our team and doesn't hurt our future..would be really excited to have either!!!
  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago


    Is Abrooks too expensive to bring back? I love the kid! I know he is bev.1 but he was a good POINT GUARD


    Already got three. Don't need another especially one who won't play.
  • bboley24 says 1 YEAR ago

    Is Abrooks too expensive to bring back? I love the kid! I know he is bev.1 but he was a good POINT GUARD

  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago Yea owners are not dumb..they saw what he did with 30 min..he does 5pg-7rb in 17min they know he will do great with more min..I believe his stock can go up if he buys in and plays hard for the 17 min be would get a game..it all depends on the team..if we are doing well and it's working then they will be lined up to give us talent for Asik..I'm one that says he will be traded at he deadline for a good upgrade at Pf..we will see though..I'm fully confident that we won't rush a trade..I will be very surprised if he is traded before the season starts and we all don't love the trade
  • thejohnnygold says 1 YEAR ago

    I said it before, but it bears repeating--this concern about "hack-attacks" against Dwight and Omer is a non-issue. In the last 5 minutes of games--presuming we have the lead--we can switch to a defensive unit of Harden, Garcia, Parsons, Howard, and Asik (maybe use Bev in there depending on the match-ups...I like Garcia guarding a Deron Williams type whereas Bev might be better on a Westbrook/Tony Parker...). That unit will be incredibly hard to get off a good shot against and opponents will be lucky to score above 30% against us. Meanwhile, if they can even afford the fouls, they will be putting two 50% ft shooters on the line every single possession. That equates to 1 point per possession which is actually quite good. That is the same as shooting 50% fg. We will outscore them--plain and simple. Opposing teams will be better off playing regular defense and hoping our shots don't fall.

    Another alternative, if the opposition goes small and puts 4 3-pt. shooters on the floor is to pull Asik and bring in D-Mo or T-Jones. D-Mo, at 7' tall, will give spot-up 3 pt. shooters a tough time and Jones is athletic enough to do the same. Garcia is 6'7", Parsons is 6'10", D-Mo is 7', and T-Jones is 6'9"....with Howard anchoring the middle they can play up on their man and effectively stifle any 3 pt. attack.

    Either way--scoring is going to be difficult.

  • Richards says 1 YEAR ago

    A few thoughts after D12 trade:

    - Asik/Dwight combo is FT nightmare. They can't be together on court during crunch time.

    - We should keep Asik/Lin if we have enough money, we shouldn't be changing too much. Having stars on the court doesn't translate winning. Remember LA had Kobe, Howard, Gasol, Nash

    - Trade Asik if he really want out, keeping Asik against his will doesn't do any good for him and Organization.

    - Hope Harden improve his ball handling (believe it or not, he had more turnovers than Lin and lost the ball a lot during critical plays)

    - Hope we had successful first half of the new season. (D12 would call for new coach if we losing bad)

  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago

    I think for the twin towers to work, one of the towers needs to have an outside shot. Olajuwan had one. Howard and Asik have two of the lowest FT% in the NBA. The games will be rife with Hack-a-Howard and Hack-a-Asik.


    I will invite some Rocket hacking because more often than not opponents will already be in foul trouble with opposing teams frontlines fouling out as they attempt to deal with Howard, Harden and the Rockets quick pace. Many average and lesser teams will get destroyed by a team that is just at an early stage of development.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago


    I think neither Asik nor Lin should be traded. McHale knows twin towers can win championships from Olajuwan and Sampson at Houston--and from Parrish and McHale at Boston. Howard and Asik are mobile enough that one can essentially fill the power forward niche. It is too early to give up on Lin. At this point he is by the numbers only an average PG. But he has only one-and-a-half years NBA experience and did not have first-tier college basketball experience. He has shown flashes of transcendence that suggest further upside potential. His numbers are actually slightly better than Deron Williams at the same stage of his career. Few people remember how rough Williams' first NBA year was, and Williams was coming off a team that played in a tough college conference, was ranked number 1 in the nation most of the year, and got all the way to the NCAA championship game, so he came to the NBA well seasoned. Give Lin a bit more time.


    Welcome jake, glad to have you here on Red94 and thank you for an outstanding first post. We put a high value on well reasoned discussion and debate in a civil manner. I agree that right now considering the team and the market holding on to both Asik and Lin is right choice until Morey finds the right deal. Specifically to Asik I would really like to see him back up Howard so that both those big guys are fresh and healthy for the playoffs. With regards to Lin I have been a proponent to move his contract but at this point the smartest move is to keep him as he will improve and even more now with Dwight on the roster thus increasing his value.
  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago @SuperSonic It was too me. Cause I believe Canaan is and will always be better then Lin.

    @quatin During the twin tower games Hakeem had no outside shot, he played Center. Ralph Sampson on the other hand was highly offensive skilled big man who could pretty much do it all at 7'4. Had his knees not gone out on him, he would be considered, in my honest opinion, as one of the best big men of all time. And if John Lucas could have just stayed away from the nose candy, the Rockets would have been a great organization in the 80s battling the Lakers for the West all those years.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago


    If you think a suspect handle NCAA 2nd rounder PG from a meh conference where he was the oldest player has better handle than any current NBA PG, starting or not, you should stop watching basketball.

    Surely, this not a response to what I wrote. I am certain you would not write that I should stop watching basketball. If this is indeed directed at me you should read what I wrote before. No forum member should ever suggest to another forum that they should stop watching basketball, Rollingwave you craft outstanding arguments and I am sure you can do better than that.
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago

    Talking about Bynum and Gasol......Gasol has an outside shot. That has to be the least relevant comparison ever.

  • quatin says 1 YEAR ago

    I think neither Asik nor Lin should be traded. McHale knows twin towers can win championships from Olajuwan and Sampson at Houston--and from Parrish and McHale at Boston. Howard and Asik are mobile enough that one can essentially fill the power forward niche. It is too early to give up on Lin. At this point he is by the numbers only an average PG. But he has only one-and-a-half years NBA experience and did not have first-tier college basketball experience. He has shown flashes of transcendence that suggest further upside potential. His numbers are actually slightly better than Deron Williams at the same stage of his career. Few people remember how rough Williams' first NBA year was, and Williams was coming off a team that played in a tough college conference, was ranked number 1 in the nation most of the year, and got all the way to the NCAA championship game, so he came to the NBA well seasoned. Give Lin a bit more time.

    I think for the twin towers to work, one of the towers needs to have an outside shot. Olajuwan had one. Howard and Asik have two of the lowest FT% in the NBA. The games will be rife with Hack-a-Howard and Hack-a-Asik.

  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago Yea this Lin thing has gotten out of hand..I just want it noted all of the ppl that don't believe in this man..I'm sure most of you guys were the same ppl that said Harden couldn't lead a team..(had a lot on the other blog I was on that said the same thing bout both)..I wont get into the Lin thing again with all of you..just looking foward to proving atleast 70% of you wrong..which in itself is kind of sad..I don't know if there is only like 5 of us speaking up or it's just popular to crap on a man that can play the game on a high Lvl..(I think saying tht rookies that havnt proved anything is better then Lin is crapping on him)..he even improved vastly the second half of the year and 70% of you didn't notice or care I guess..I'm not going to debate on why Lin is better then two unproven players(one a 2 round rookie in the worse draft in years)..it should be very clear why he is..I will wait til the season starts were he can show all 70% of these rocket fans he can play at a high Lvl..I hope all of you are lined up with saying you are wrong when he averages 17-9 all of next year
  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago


    Oh wow u were serious..no sir that won't be happening..now u guys are saying that a second round rookie is better then Lin..havnt even seen this kid play an your ready for him to to start..can we please calm down and wait til the season starts or Lin gets traded to start the bashing..putting The rookie over him is just getting crazy


    Lin wasn't drafted. Therefore showing one has more talent then the other. Watched Canaan at Murray State, he is gooooood. He popped on the TV. Hopefully he will get over his sprained ankle and play Tuesday so everyone can watch.
  • vnmslsrbms says 1 YEAR ago

    The twin towers is a concept that could work since Howard is a very mobile big. In my mind he would definitely play the PF position on offense and defense. Although not a great floor spacing duo, they are adequate enough passers that it may work. If the Lakers could win a couple of championships with Bynum and Gasol clogging the middle, I think Howard and Asik has a chance to make it work.

    Lin on the other hand will always be limited by Harden. It's like how Jordan never had a good PG play next to him. He handles the ball way too much to make good use of one. Lin is still developing, but I think it's clear he's not going to ever be a top tier PG. He can easily grow into a good second tier one though, if not already.

    The Rockets have some great pieces and hopefully in the next couple years can knock off the Heat. Everyone saw how vulnerable they can be to lesser teams.

  • jake1938 says 1 YEAR ago

    I think neither Asik nor Lin should be traded. McHale knows twin towers can win championships from Olajuwan and Sampson at Houston--and from Parrish and McHale at Boston. Howard and Asik are mobile enough that one can essentially fill the power forward niche. It is too early to give up on Lin. At this point he is by the numbers only an average PG. But he has only one-and-a-half years NBA experience and did not have first-tier college basketball experience. He has shown flashes of transcendence that suggest further upside potential. His numbers are actually slightly better than Deron Williams at the same stage of his career. Few people remember how rough Williams' first NBA year was, and Williams was coming off a team that played in a tough college conference, was ranked number 1 in the nation most of the year, and got all the way to the NCAA championship game, so he came to the NBA well seasoned. Give Lin a bit more time.

  • RollingWave says 1 YEAR ago

    Didn't we have a rookie on that squad back in '94? What was that kid's name?.....I think he played the point.....

    you mean the guy that started 8 games all year mostly due to injury, and wasn't a full starter until his age 28 season?

    Sam Cassell was really good, he was an underrated prospect who well exceeded all rational expectation, expecting that from anyone is insane.

    Oh btw, he was also an above average sized guard instead of a well below average one.

  • RollingWave says 1 YEAR ago

    If you think a suspect handle NCAA 2nd rounder PG from a meh conference where he was the oldest player has better handle than any current NBA PG, starting or not, you should stop watching basketball.

  • DoubleClutchCityTwoston says 1 YEAR ago

    Didn't we have a rookie on that squad back in '94? What was that kid's name?.....I think he played the point.....

  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago What we need is a starting point guard with handles and Lin is not that point guard.
  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago


    Machado couldn't shoot. Canaan can shoot. That's needed with the current roster.


    Oh wow u were serious..no sir that won't be happening..now u guys are saying that a second round rookie is better then Lin..havnt even seen this kid play an your ready for him to to start..can we please calm down and wait til the season starts or Lin gets traded to start the bashing..putting The rookie over him is just getting crazy
  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago


    as much as i like canaan, thats what everyone was saying about machado.....


    Machado couldn't shoot. Canaan can shoot. That's needed with the current roster.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago I agree, we don't need rookies in the starting line up. The clock starts ticking now and McHale, Howard and Harden need to be put in a position to succeed not carry rookies along. If the Rockets don't make the Western Conference Finals this year it could be seen as a failure by some. After this year the pressure to deliver will be serious and I look forward to the Rockets making a run.
  • sircharles says 1 YEAR ago

    sign and trade asik to the nuggets for corey brewer and andre miller(like they need another center)

  • sircharles says 1 YEAR ago

    Canaan will be the starter come playoffs.

    as much as i like canaan, thats what everyone was saying about machado.....

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago

    Houston Rockets championship contenders:

    "I'm betting $30 million on it"
    -Dwight Howard

    Im loving this!

    It's actually $9M and that's cause of the fifth year, but whose counting.
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago I also spoke of Beverly as a starter but for me it was always as a temporary fix until Morey could fleece somebody this upcoming season. I am starting to believe that stability is important but one more borderline All Star type is needed to join Harden, Howard and Parsons.
  • bboley24 says 1 YEAR ago

    Houston Rockets championship contenders:

    "I'm betting $30 million on it"
    -Dwight Howard

    Im loving this!

  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    He knows that Lin is better right now he just doesn't think that Lin is 8 mil better then Bev..he thinks we can better spend the 8mil..and I'm just wondering what he and others that want Lin gone expect from Lin this year stat wise and what they think Bev would do stat wise in his place..so when Lin Destroys those numbers they expect, i and others can say we are right..and vise versa ovcourse

    I see at least you know where I stand. thanks for clearing that up. ;)

    as for asik and Lin.............I think it would not be out of the question to see one or both moved before the season. unlike some I am comfortable with a Howard, T-Jones, D-MO, G-Smith rotation among PF and C. YES we could add some depth, but we'll be fine there. PG however is a different story. while I will agree I may have stretched it a bit suggesting bev is a starter....he isn't that far behind Lin. getting a better shooter in that position should be what the rockets next move is.

  • bboley24 says 1 YEAR ago

    beverly is only overrated because of his age. The kid has peaked as a great defender and spark plug but not a starter in this league. He has been playing professional basketball for a while now and his development has gone very well but im afraid he is what you see. That's just my opinion though.

    RIP Royce White. You will... well... you're gone.

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago Canaan will be the starter come playoffs.
  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago He knows that Lin is better right now he just doesn't think that Lin is 8 mil better then Bev..he thinks we can better spend the 8mil..and I'm just wondering what he and others that want Lin gone expect from Lin this year stat wise and what they think Bev would do stat wise in his place..so when Lin Destroys those numbers they expect, i and others can say we are right..and vise versa ovcourse
  • timetodienow1234567 says 1 YEAR ago

    Lets all hope that Lin doesn't get moved so he can prove most of you guys wrong..so once again we if he does stay on the team and starts for the most of the season were do u see his stats at next year?...and what does he need to achieve to admit you were wrong.
    P.S Bev is overrated if you think he is a starting pg on a championship team..I would be interested to hear what stats you think Bev would have starting in Lins place..please keep in mind he had more turnovers per 48 then lin

    Shhhhh.... RBF's head will explode if you give stats that prove Lin is better than Bev.

  • Rockets fan newton says 1 YEAR ago Lets all hope that Lin doesn't get moved so he can prove most of you guys wrong..so once again we if he does stay on the team and starts for the most of the season were do u see his stats at next year?...and what does he need to achieve to admit you were wrong.
    P.S Bev is overrated if you think he is a starting pg on a championship team..I would be interested to hear what stats you think Bev would have starting in Lins place..please keep in mind he had more turnovers per 48 then lin
  • datruth says 1 YEAR ago

    I think its best if we move Lin and Omer. Omer and Howard are two similar players. Very good at one end and challenge on the other end. Lin and Omer to Los Angeles in my mind seems like a no brainer, but who wins in that trade. Lin, Omer, Bryant, Gasol and Metta World Peace sounds better than Howard, Parson, Smith, Beverly and Harden. Trust me Beverly is not a elite player in this league. We still have time, but to compete we must have pieces that fit into holes needed on this team. Harden likes the ball in his hands can he defer at least twenty times a game giving the ball to Howard. Then what happens to Parson and Lin. They can only play with one ball. Who takes a lesser role.

  • Sirtaco says 1 YEAR ago

    I spent the whole day checking Twitter and being on the DreamShake blog. I was really worried when Golden State started making all those trades. I thought the Slim Thug tweets were hilarious and lets not forget about Jim Parsons youtube video. I like Beverly but not sure if ready to be a starter just yet. Plus I like the idea of him coming off the bench and being a sparkplug. Remember when Lowry used to have that role. He was great at it. I think we're giving up on LIn to quick. I want to see how he does with a year under his belt and a full training camp with the current roster .

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago SirTaco, I was making a joke about White.
    I thought it was a forgone conclusion that he was going to the Rockets. If he wasn't then he didn't care about winning. But when I heard I celebrated, when I heard 50/50 I was upset, and when I heard Stephen A say he talked to d12 and he is going to be a Rocket I celebrated again.

    Slim Thug deserves a bottle of he favorite drink. ;)
  • feelingsupersonic says 1 YEAR ago Sirtaco, I would like to welcome you to Red94. We are a relatively small forum of dedicated Rockets fans that aim for intelligent and civil debate. I hope you enjoy Red94.

    I too was in a state on Friday. I was constantly refreshing the Red94 twitter updates and bouncing around from NBA coverage on ESPN's, CBS's and SI's websites as well as listening to 790 AM. There was a lot of activity in that minute by minute news coverage which I had never ever followed so closely.

    Anyway, it is well documented here that I support retaining Asik to back up Howard and I hope we keep him at least till next year's trade deadline.
  • rockets best fan says 1 YEAR ago

    @Rahat

    Beverly overrated? while I don't think he is the next coming of cp3 I do think he is starter material. I think he will improve much more than Lin this summer. I have read on some other sites the rockets are trying to move Lin. this is the right move to me. Lin is still the weakest link to me on this team. I think we can live without Lin;s offensive production because of Howard being added to the equation. I still believe the rockets should call phoenix and see if Dragic can be had

  • Sirtaco says 1 YEAR ago

    I would like to see that rotation to. I just hope theyre ready for more minutes. Although I guess the only way to get them ready is by playing them more. Royce White was never my hero but I was pulling for him until it seemed he really wasnt trying to get back into the game. I understand standing up for a cause but he went about it all the wrong way. I don't think he really cares about getting on the court. All the other rookies always tweeted about going to the gym and working on their game. Marcus Morris always posted instagram pics of him working on his game. The way to show everyone that anxiety can be overcome and people who suffer from it shouldnt be alienated would be by making comprises, working on his game , and getting on the court to show that it could be done. Simply put , he had to man up. Sorry for the long response but it canbe a touchy subject.

    P.S I'm glad his gone so players who deserve to play arent cut cause he was taking up a roster space.

  • Steven says 1 YEAR ago

    I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks and the hours leading up to Howard offically declaring he was signing with the Rockets actually had me like I was the verge of a panic attack lol . I was so thrilled when I read the statement from Mitch Kupchak and when Dwight changed his Twitter avatar pic. Anyways, I agree that so far the best bet is to simply hold onto Jeremy Lin and see what he can do with a such a talented roster. I also agree with keeping Asik to provide 48 mins. worth of elite defense and if possible maybe even do the twin towers approach whenever it is possible. I've read that D-Mo is now up to 260 which should help him. Maybe in the near future D12 and D-Mo could be the next Twin Towers.


    I'm starting to like the three man rotation of jones d-Mo and Howard. It can keep everyone fresh and bully other teams.

    P.s. Is Royce White your hero for the mental anguished?
  • Sirtaco says 1 YEAR ago

    I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks and the hours leading up to Howard offically declaring he was signing with the Rockets actually had me like I was the verge of a panic attack lol . I was so thrilled when I read the statement from Mitch Kupchak and when Dwight changed his Twitter avatar pic. Anyways, I agree that so far the best bet is to simply hold onto Jeremy Lin and see what he can do with a such a talented roster. I also agree with keeping Asik to provide 48 mins. worth of elite defense and if possible maybe even do the twin towers approach whenever it is possible. I've read that D-Mo is now up to 260 which should help him. Maybe in the near future D12 and D-Mo could be the next Twin Towers.

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