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[thejohnnygold]

Is this a sports forum or a book club????  I haven't spent this much time reading about other people's feelings in a long while.

 

If....IF Omer gets traded it's going to be very tough.  Teams know that he wants to start and isn't willing to take a bench/reserve role.  That rules out a lot of teams with entrenched starters.  Let's make a list!

 

Chicago

Brooklyn

New York (Chandler will be back soon enough and take the starter's role)

Philadelphia (Hawes has been great for them--Maybe Hinkie throws Morey another "friendly" trade)

Orlando

Toronto

Minnesota

Indiana

Detroit

Golden State

Sacramento

LA Clippers

Portland (I think they are happy with Lopez)

Charlotte

Washington (would they trade Nene for Asik?  Could you move Gortat to PF?)

Utah

 

I think it is safe to say all of these teams are out unless we throw in James Harden or Chandler Parsons while taking back some of their trash.  Not going to happen.

 

So, who is left?

 

San Antonio

New Orleans

Oklahoma City

Atlanta

Cleveland

Boston

LA Lakers

Phoenix

Milwaukee

Dallas

Miami

Denver

 

 

So there's twelve possible teams.  Of those, We probably do not want to send Asik to OKC, NO, or Dallas as that would immediately make each of them threats to us.  That leaves 9 teams:

 

San Antonio

Atlanta

Cleveland

Boston

LA Lakers

Phoenix

Milwaukee

Miami

Denver

 

I just can't see Atlanta giving us Millsap unless we throw in Parsons and one of our young guys Probably T-Jones.  That leaves us pretty thin at center.  They're out.

 

Cleveland Has Varejao and Bynum.  Varejao will be the starter whenever he is healthy so they can't realistically take Asik and I don't think they would trade Varejao to us in a fair swap....if they would I'd take it! (presuming he will take a bench role)

 

Miami would have to be a Bosh trade.  (we've been over this)  It would have to be Lin+Asik+ filler for Bosh and Chalmers....not a terrible thing for either team really...We'll keep them in play .

 

I'm not sure if San Antonio would want Asik or what they would do with Splitter...I'm leaving them out of this unless someone can convince me they would trade Splitter and Bonner for Asik!  OK, who's left?

 

Boston

LA Lakers

Phoenix

Milwaukee

Miami

Denver

 

Lakers have nothing we want except Pau, but the money doesn't work without throwing in Lin...Asik+Lin for Pau and Steve Blake?  I don't really care for that deal.  Lakers are out!

 

Boston is not going to give us Jeff Green For Asik....Unless they put on a fire sale to ensure the worst record in the league...which is possible I guess.  I suppose we could send them a lot of our youngsters which might intrigue them and they can give us Melo or Sullinger.  I'll put them in the Miami group.

 

This brings us to my three favorites for a possible trade: Phoenix, Milwaukee, and Denver.

 

Milwaukee might be looking to sell high on Larry Sanders as he seems to be imploding on and off the court.  Pachulia is ok, but with Jon Henson/Ilyasova at the forward slots, Asik would be a solid Center with them.  There are enough nice pieces floating around for us to make a mutually beneficial trade and then they could put Sanders on the market without worrying about a back-up plan.

 

JaVale McGee isn't doing it for Denver it seems.  I think Shaw is looking to shake up the roster and get guys he wants.  I think just about everyone but Lawson and Gallinari are available for trade.  I don't know if Denver wants Asik, but if they do I don't see why we couldn't get something useful in return.  Here's a LINK to their roster.

 

Phoenix is looking good.  They might be thinking playoffs and Asik might appeal to them--they get plenty of scoring at the other 4 positions and between Dragic and Bledsoe they could get Omer easy set-ups for dunks like he did last year.  I'd be willing to take Plumlee or Len off their hands....oh wait, they've got Okafor...forgot about him...this could take them out of the equation.

 

So, what we've got are 4 teams.  Miami, Boston, Denver and Milwaukee....All with serious question marks.  I think our chances of getting much of anything good for Asik (without packaging up Lin/Bev and Parsons/T-Jones) is bleak.  Teams know our hands are tied.  They also know they have to pay Asik $15M next year (I know the Rox can send $3M to help, but I think Morey will be reluctant to use all $3M because that ties our hands in other areas).  They also know he is essentially a one-way player.  It's a bad situation all around....We should just trade Dwight!

[Mason Khamvilay]

I just can't see Atlanta giving us Millsap unless we throw in Parsons and one of our young guys Probably T-Jones.  That leaves us pretty thin at center.  They're out.

Bold assumption my friend. 

Edited by 2016Champions, 15 November 2013 - 09:02 PM.

[Richards]

Very good insight JohnnyGold.  It seem tough to trade Asik, Even tougher to do after this year.

[rockets best fan]

I like the break down JG. however the landscape changes all the time in the NBA.........I would add a couple of teams to the mix of trade partners, but think you have most of them on the money. I think our best route is Boston. I don't think the price for Green is as high as you believe it is. I could see a trade like Asik/Lin for Green/Bradley or Asik/ Lin 1st rounder for Rondo/Green. I know Ainge drives a hard bargain, but I think those trades are within reason. Boston has a boatload of #1 draft picks in the next 3 years. they are clearly going to rebuild through the draft and would be seeking players they can use then. they clearly need a center. as a matter of fact  Morey and Ainge might be on the phone right now

[Mason Khamvilay]

Highest demand position: Center (the better their defense the higher the demand)

 

I would be shocked if there isn't a bidding war over Asik around the trade deadline, and I'm sure that all the "trade request" rumors were leaked by his agent to get a feel for the market and build interest. 

[redfaithful]

Taking another angle at JG's list: mutual trades history. There is some tendency (I have no statistics for that) for certain pairs of teams to do trades. The Rockets have been dealing quite a lot with Sacramento, Phoenix and the Lakers (that includes the Pau nullified trade). In that regards, Boston and Milwaukee made the Lee and Dalembart trades quite recently, so that could put them higher on the list.

[timetodienow1234567]

Melo?

[Mason Khamvilay]

I heard Michael Jordan is coming out of retirement 

[rockets best fan]

Highest demand position: Center (the better their defense the higher the demand)

 

I would be shocked if there isn't a bidding war over Asik around the trade deadline, and I'm sure that all the "trade request" rumors were leaked by his agent to get a feel for the market and build interest. 

I agree centers are worth more because of the short supply in the league. Asik is valuable......does his value demand a star....no, but him and another piece might. trading him at this point means his value is still high because a team can still get two years service out of him.

[RudyT1995]

  It's a bad situation all around....We should just trade Dwight!

 

We should!

 

We're gonna need his contract off the books if we're gonna sign Durant in 2016!  

[thejohnnygold]

Glad y'all liked the list.  I agree that things can and will change--who knows what will transpire in the next 3 months?

 

I don't think the Atlanta prediction is off base.  We could get him, but they would fleece us and I think we'd end up worse for it.  His contract settles on Dec. 15th so we will have to wait until then...

 

Melo=Fab Melo...not Carmelo

 

Of course defensive centers have value.  But we have to look at the situational landscape here.  The demand is not universal because of all the reasons I posted above.  I think it would be pretty cool if we could steal Jon Henson and Zaza Pachulia from Milwaukee.  Gives us a back-up Center and a steadily improving PF.  Probably won't happen but they have to do something with Ilyasova presumably entrenched as the starter at PF Henson will leave once his contract is up.

[timetodienow1234567]

I thought Melo was gone from Boston. I'm pretty sure he's unemployed right now, but I could be wrong.

[RudyT1995]

Isn't Asik kind of a slightly shorter version of Roy Hibbert but with worse hands?  

 

If Hibbert is considered a franchise cornerstone, why isn't Asik talked about more along those lines?

[thejohnnygold]

I think Hibbert is much better than Asik and is still developing...I'd take Hibbert in a heartbeat.

 

TTDN, you're right about Melo...how did I miss that happening?

[timetodienow1234567]

1) Hibbert is 7'3"
2) Hibbert can catch
3) Hibbert has an offensive game

Need I go on?

[Matt Maloney's Ghost]

Trade machine says that this trade gives us 3 wins, takes 6 wins from the Celtics. Aren't the Celtics tanking? Sounds perfect for them!

 

Celtics are definitely tanking, no question about it. Rondo will be traded. ( I think ) I am all for the Jeff Green trade. Celtics tanked for the Tim Duncan draft, and I have no doubt they will do it again. I love Rondo, but I don't think he is someone I would want around my franchise pick.

[Buckko]

actually that's not a bad trade, but who plays backup center?

Smith, who has overall larger body then demo and won't be bullied around.

[RudyT1995]

I think Hibbert is much better than Asik and is still developing...I'd take Hibbert in a heartbeat.

 

Hibbert seems younger than Asik, but they are actually the same age.  If you think that Hibbert is still developing, wouldn't it be fair to say that Asik could still develop too?

[thejohnnygold]

Hibbert seems younger than Asik, but they are actually the same age.  If you think that Hibbert is still developing, wouldn't it be fair to say that Asik could still develop too?

 

I guess that is sound logic...but in that same vain it could be said that I might be president someday.

 

For Asik, getting the ball into the hole is an adventure every time.  Shoot, catching the ball is an adventure.  Chicago fans warned us when we first got him and, for the most part, they were right.  It's weird because he doesn't seem to have a problem grabbing rebounds...not sure why passes are such a puzzle to him.

 

I'd love to see Asik develop an offensive game, but I have seen enough of his skill set to know it isn't going to grow much beyond where it currently is.

[Mason Khamvilay]

Isn't Asik kind of a slightly shorter version of Roy Hibbert but with worse hands?  

 

If Hibbert is considered a franchise cornerstone, why isn't Asik talked about more along those lines?

I'm glad someone here thinks highly of Asik's value, and that's a very good question. Asik's days of flying under the radar should be over by now, he should be in the conversation with highly regarded defensive centers like Joakim Noah and Tyson Chandler.