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[CC.]

How about Asik for >> budget 3pt shooter/ or budget back-up C + future draft picks?

 

I would be fine with that. Not excited, but fine with it. Simple

[Losthief]

How about Asik for >> budget 3pt shooter/ or budget back-up C + future draft picks?

 

I would be fine with that. Not excited, but fine with it. Simple

 

have to go to a team with cap space then...which won't give up future draft picks cause most of those are tanking.

[Losthief]

i can't edit so here's my 2nd thought(s)

 

I still think morey is waiting on dec 15th (free agents become available for trades (a la millsap, josh smith, whomever) so he actually has some leverage and assests to move around.

 

Also, i still like jeff green, but he's playing himself out of the equation. But heres one out of left field that won't happen but i secretly think i like for both teams:

 

Houston trades Asik plus Lin to OKC for Ibaka and Perkins Contract.

 

So we eat perkins carcass, they eat both poison amounts on the contracts. (15 mil next year)

 

OKC gets its defensive center they need, and scoring/playmaking off the pine.

 

We get Ibaka (an awesome complement to Dwight/ our offense) and a nominal back up C (at least a big body and fouls) and cap space via perkins in two years to resign beverly and parsons.

 

We'd need to sign another pg but i think this trade makes both teams better both short-term and long term. (we are not keeping all 3 of lin, parsons, and bev in two years, so why not make a choice now).

[Richards]

Well I thought you are OKC fan.   Not sure that would benefit us but OKC would definitely kill us with Asik/Lin addition.

[Buckko]

What?! Why do you want to lead our lamb to slaughter. We would get a terrible big man while losing our 3rd best scorer and top 5 defensive center while only gaining a PF who can only block shots and pick n pop. We would lose all our depth while all of OKCs problems would be cured in bench scoring and better rim protection and rebounding. They would destroy us and easily take the title. 

[CC.]

I agree with Buckko, trading Lin with Asik just makes it lopsided, benefiting OKC. Like sure Ibaka in a Rockets uniform would be a cool thing, but then we got to take in Perkins contract too? I can definitely see Presty agreeing to this, but not Morey...

[timetodienow1234567]

Ibaka is the BEST defensive 4 in the game. He has 3 point range. He's the perfect fit for this team.

 

But there's NO way that trade happens, so why discuss it?

Edited by timetodienow1234567, 17 November 2013 - 06:50 PM.

[Cooper]

Woudlnt mind making a run at Wilson chandler. Maybe something like asik to the Nuggies for chandler and they send McGee to the mavs for Marion expiring.

[Buckko]

Ibaka is a great shot blocker but many OKC fans complain he's bad at rotations so saying he is the best defensive 4 is bit of a false statement.

[2016Champions]

Ibaka is a great shot blocker but many OKC fans complain he's bad at rotations so saying he is the best defensive 4 is bit of a false statement.

Yep, Ibaka will give up a lot of 3s just like we did with Howard-Asik. A guy like Millsap does a much better job of rotating and contesting shots.

[Buckko]

Agreed and we wouldn't be giving OKC the title by trading asik.

[rockets best fan]

i can't edit so here's my 2nd thought(s)

 

I still think morey is waiting on dec 15th (free agents become available for trades (a la millsap, josh smith, whomever) so he actually has some leverage and assests to move around.

 

Also, i still like jeff green, but he's playing himself out of the equation. But heres one out of left field that won't happen but i secretly think i like for both teams:

 

Houston trades Asik plus Lin to OKC for Ibaka and Perkins Contract.

 

So we eat perkins carcass, they eat both poison amounts on the contracts. (15 mil next year)

 

OKC gets its defensive center they need, and scoring/playmaking off the pine.

 

We get Ibaka (an awesome complement to Dwight/ our offense) and a nominal back up C (at least a big body and fouls) and cap space via perkins in two years to resign beverly and parsons.

 

We'd need to sign another pg but i think this trade makes both teams better both short-term and long term. (we are not keeping all 3 of lin, parsons, and bev in two years, so why not make a choice now).

IMO T-Jones will be Ibaka in a year or so with PT. so this trade only make OKC stronger while weakening us. Perkins can't guard a telephone pole  Sam Presti would be all over this like a lion on a pork chop  he would consider this getting Morey back for Harden. THERE IS NO POSSIBLE TRADES WITH OKC THAT WILL HELP THE ROCKETS........THEY DON'T HAVE WHAT WE NEED. we may have what they need, but I bet Morey will go out of his way to see that what we castoff doesn't land there

[rockets best fan]

had a little trade idea of my own I thought I would toss in the arena

 

Houston trades Lin to Boston + 2014 first rounder then trade Asik to ATL

Boston trades Rondo to ATL

ATL trades Horford and Lou Williams to Houston

 

 

Houston gets starting PF who can play backup center and help on the wing

 

Boston gets PG of future and 2014 first rounder to help with the rebuild plus dump 4 mil in salary

 

ATL gets starting center and starting PG

[RollingWave]

Jeff Teague is playing extremely well in Atlanta, there's no reason for Atlanta to trade Hoford for Rondo.

 

There isn't that many teams that need a PG and actually want or can trade for one.

 

At least according to Fegan Asik will return to practice and play against the Celtics

Edited by RollingWave, 18 November 2013 - 05:21 AM.

[Buckko]

Hawks are doing to good to trade Horford and Teague has been fantastic so that wouldn't work.

[jorgeaam]

Ok I saw this proposal on Bleacher Report, I actually think it's reasonable to think it might happen:

 

 

Houston: Ersan Ilyasova, Jeff Whitney

Why the Rockets do it? 
- Clear frontcourt clutter. 
- Acquire a young, proven stretch Forward. 
- Acquire a young, defensive-minded, backup Center. 
- Gain more traditional rotations.

PG: Beverley | Lin | Brooks 
SG: Harden | Garcia | Brewer 
SF: Parsons | Casspi | Covington 
PF: Ilyasova | Jones | Montiejunas 
C: Howard | Smith | Whitney

Milwaukee: Tyreke Evans, Brian Roberts, 2nd Round Pick(s) (Houston)

Why the Bucks do it? 
- Clear frontcourt clutter. 
- Acquire a young, starter-caliber Guard/Forward. 
- Acquire a young, backup Point Guard. 
- Acquire pick(s).

PG: Knight | Roberts 
SG: Mayo | Neal | Antetokounmpo 
SF: Evans | Butler | Middleton | Delfino 
PF: Henson | Udoh 
C: Sanders | Pachulia | Raduljica

New Orleans: Omer Asik, Luke Ridnour

Why the Pelicans do it? 
- Clear back court clutter. 
- Acquire a top 5 defensive and rebounding Center. 
- Acquire a veteran Point Guard. 
- Move Davis to his natural position.

PG: Holiday | Ridnour 
SG: Gordon | Morrow | Rivers 
SF: Aminu | Miller | Childress 
PF: Davis | Anderson | Amundson 
C: Asik | Smith | Stiemsma

 

Only things that would hold off: 

Evans isn't available for trade until Dec. 15, couldn't check it on ESPN trade machine but my math said it would work, I just don't see a good enough reason to get the Bucks to accept it, obviously Ilyasova is worth more than Evans, but their GM seems crazy enough for 2nd round picks to make it happen. 

 

Aside from that, it's a great trade that would help the Rockets and NO without losing Ryan Anderson.

[RollingWave]

http://www1.realgm.c...d_trade/6350782

 

my pet trade is essentially this, I see Amir Johnson as the sneaky candidate mainstream guys have no idea but Morey would love, that seems like his MO.

[akozanli7]

I'm from Turkey so perhaps I'm not objective re. Omer and I hope that my English and train of thought is not unintelligible. 

 

1) Question: Among the top 6-7 players in the team whose performance to talent ratio is the highest? As far as I can see Omer is/was the player who gave most to the team compared to his abilities. Harden doesnt defend although he sometimes show that he can, Howard is not serious enough, cant shoot FT. This and not having a jump shot for someone who earns 20 m is strange.  Lin and Parsons could rival Omer in this category but probably not surpass him.

 

2) A perhaps related question, among the top 5 players whose contribution (including intangibles) to salary ratio is the highest)? Obviously Parsons, but Omer could easily be the second in this category. But of course my selective biased Turkish eyes may be wrong.

 

3) Among the leading players in the team, whose opponent scores the lowest compared to his season average? I don't how where to find the stats for this but Harden is probably the last in this category as many of his opponents have their season highs against him. Howard in my estimate, despite his defensive player awards may be surprisingly low in this category, but I may easily be wrong. Omer maybe among the betters in this categoty, possibly best on the team, no? I don' want to be bitchy about Harden but I cannot think of a team winning a ring if his star is the weakest link on defense? Any recent examples to the contrary? If you score 25 but your normally 12 scoring opponent has 20, than are you really a superstar?  

 

4) Omer played almost 300 hundred consecutive games in this league for God's sake. I think we should remember this when we criticize Omer's current attitude.

 

5) a) Dwight Howard is arguably the best center in the league, Howard's trade was a mistake for Rockets. Could both this propositions be true? I believe they are. When you have a center like Omer you should look for other positions to improve your team, obviously the PF, or you should trade Omer immediately after his signing. Experimenting with the TT may look like interesting but Morey should have understood that it wouldnt be cost free, that you will lose time, bargaining leverage. When a new player arrives in return for Omer he will have less time to play with other players before the palyoffs.  You should know that TT wouuld not work and when everybody sees that it does not work you are the weaker, more desparate side in the trade market. Howard looked like too good to miss but Morey should see that his trade will have a cost for Houston especially if Rockets could not get something of equal value in return for Omer.  

 

6) Using Omer just 4 minutes in a game is unacceptable technically, and silly coaching-wise. McHale would not do this to any other top 5 player in the team, so why Omer, is it because he is shy, silent, not flashy? And later keeping him on the bench but not playing himin the next game was obviously a kind of statement and a penalty. I may surprise you by saying that I  understood and approved it if it was because it was against Omer's or his agents going public with the trade request which decreases Rocket's bargaining power, but hey the guy asked for trade immediately after the Howard signing and presumably again later but Rockets management did not listen to him.

 

Now here's a question, if an opportunity arises, will the Rockets hesitate to send Omer to a bullshit team in return for a good player. Answer is no. They won't have any qualms to do such a move, they have their interests to look after, they don't have time to consider Omer's interests. So why should Omer play a few more games in a team that almost certainly send him to another at a time of their own choosing but presumably with his stats, stature and reputation was less good than at the end of the season when he just come out of a very good breakout year?

Now if Omer was reluctant in training, in games, creates trouble n the locker room, I cannot accept that. It wouldn't be professional and manlike and it may give himself and other potential Turkish players a bad name. But I don't think this is the case.

 

I don't want to be seen someone who tries to find excuses for Omer's all actions. If he did not dress for the Nugget's game as a protest then it is certainly a serious minus for him. Then he owes his friends on the team more than an explanation but an apology.

 

Wow, I wrote hundreds of words to defend a guy who earns millions. If only I spent so much time to analyze my own personal problems.  

[Rahat Huq]

http://www1.realgm.c...d_trade/6350782

 

my pet trade is essentially this, I see Amir Johnson as the sneaky candidate mainstream guys have no idea but Morey would love, that seems like his MO.

There's no doubt Morey loves Amir Johnson.  Eli Whitus' blog was all over him before he was hired by the Rockets.  

[bboley24]

Omer? Is that you?