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thejohnnygold, on 30 January 2013 - 17:17 PM said:
Read it. Here is an interesting blurb from Morey in the sidenotes:
"the true risk of selecting White was not as severe as many people think, since only about 20 percent of players drafted 16th overall end up having major NBA careers anyway."
Nice to hear more of his perspective on the selection of White.
White makes some decent points and his perspective is interesting in a lot of ways. He lost me when he dismissed the notion that stress is a part of life. I cannot fathom a life, or lifestyle, without stress unless you, yourself, develop the necessary skills to dismantle and dissipate it. Even hunter gatherers had stress.... Royce, I am sorry to say stress is a part of life. I do agree that it is a silent killer and on a pandemic level, but the onus is on you to deal with it. I almost feel his issues are of a more spiritual nature than psychological. He is afraid of dying. It's existential not psychological IMO.
Kade, on 01 February 2013 - 17:02 PM said:
read the piece on him on grantland and you'll come away convinced he will never change and this will be an ongoing nightmare
thejohnnygold, on 31 January 2013 - 21:13 PM said:
I'll say this much on White's behalf.....if I were to have my future judged by what I said and did when I was his age.....well.....that would be way off and very unfair. Who knows what will give him a wake up call, if anything, but let's remember this: most of us were complete idiots once too. All it takes is one person to earn his respect and set him straight.
I wish I could say this was true in white's case, but it's not. sure I did stupid things when I was young, but I was NEVER hanging over the edge of the cliff like white is. white lives in a fantasy world where everyone get cookies and ice cream, and whats even worse is the people around him are enabling him to remain there. he may indeed report to rvp, but I just don't see a good outcome for his basketball career. best he can do at this point is try to sell some of those windmill fantasies of his.thejohnnygold, on 31 January 2013 - 21:13 PM said:
I'll say this much on White's behalf.....if I were to have my future judged by what I said and did when I was his age.....well.....that would be way off and very unfair. Who knows what will give him a wake up call, if anything, but let's remember this: most of us were complete idiots once too. All it takes is one person to earn his respect and set him straight.
Sir Thursday, on 30 January 2013 - 15:13 PM said:
Chuck Klosterman just put up a really interesting article about Royce on Grantland, FYI: http://www.grantland...man-royce-white
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Sir Thursday, on 30 January 2013 - 15:13 PM said:
Chuck Klosterman just put up a really interesting article about Royce on Grantland, FYI: http://www.grantland...man-royce-white
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kudos Sir Thursday. this is an excellent read. it gives a small view into white's line of thinking. after listening to his rubbish I am even more convinced the rockets should cut ties with this fruit cake. he seems to have an arrogance of entitlement. he believes the world should conform to him. after reading this I am sure about one thing..............he is mentally unstable. the light's on but nobody home. he may be educated, but he lacks common sense.Sir Thursday, on 30 January 2013 - 15:13 PM said:
Chuck Klosterman just put up a really interesting article about Royce on Grantland, FYI: http://www.grantland...man-royce-white
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Chichos, on 29 January 2013 - 19:30 PM said:
Rocye is too slow to be a wing or a "three." And from what I read on scouting reports he might be more like 6'7" then 6'9", which makes him undersized at the 4 on some nights. I think his best asset to start would be defensive rebounding since he has the strength our other forwards do not posses. If he can end the defensive possession with a rebound and outlet to the correct guy consistently our fast break gets better. Unfortunately he can't shoot outside of 5 feet so hopefully he has a few post moves or our spacing will be terrible with him on the court.
Stephen, on 28 January 2013 - 17:05 PM said:
DD,
Fourth?
I'd say 7th or so in terms of actually playing.
Patterson,Morris,Parsons,Smith,Motie/Jones.
rocketrick, on 25 January 2013 - 00:58 AM said:
Let's see if Royce makes it to RGV as scheduled and let's check out what kind of physical condition he's in. I'm willing to overlook his troubled start if he kicks ass in D League. I'd be shocked if he ever plays for the Rockets this season though. Perhaps he'll be the 2013/14 Marcus Morris on our roster, one can only hope at this point!
sircharles, on 24 January 2013 - 19:35 PM said:
i think calling white a fraud and a conman is a bit insensitive, the truth of the matter is we have no idea whats going on and the seriousness of his problems, its pretty clear that he does have some mental issues though.
feelingsupersonic, on 23 January 2013 - 20:06 PM said:
Royce will be back and reporting to the Vipers in February.
http://blog.chron.co...return-to-team/
feelingsupersonic, on 24 January 2013 - 07:17 AM said:
I would rather skim over the Royce White trash talk than have to sit through the fire Daryl Morey thread.
feelingsupersonic, on 23 January 2013 - 20:06 PM said:
Royce will be back and reporting to the Vipers in February.
http://blog.chron.co...return-to-team/
Kade, on 21 January 2013 - 22:03 PM said:
McHale was a butt of many jokes after his try in Minnesota for a host of reasons. It's not surprising that Morey decided to go with him. He prides himself in "seeing different" but notice how our HC go from great (Van Gundy) to bottom of the barrel (McHale)? Ditto with players. Morey has been here way too long to be given "he needs more years" to improve the team. The team is worse and how many other teams has a 7 game losing streak and the 8th having to struggle against the Bobcats? Just about every year under Morey the team was a legit lottery team but Morey did enough to hurt the team and get them a few wins to keep them out. Thanks Morey now you and White please go to some other team and try and run it with magic and stats that have proven to never work.
rockets best fan, on 21 January 2013 - 03:20 AM said:
you couldn't wait could you Kade. you want to throw some mud at morey so bad it's killing you isn't it? you make me laugh i'm not going to get into a morey debate on the white thread though. I saw part of the royce interview and he sound like an educated fool. what he is asking the rockets for is unrealistic. I guess when you live in looney toon land anything sounds possible. at the end of the day the rockets are a business trying to make a profit. royce saying that he wants them to make decisions on doctor's orders regardless of if it's a good business decision is looney. when is the last time any of you walked into your employer and told him you don't care if he makes a profit you want things run your way. when you do things that stupid you gotta be expecting to get tossed out on your head. in royce's case the sooner the better.
sircharles, on 21 January 2013 - 00:32 AM said:
i dont know how many times this needs to be said but ROYCE WHITE WAS KEVIN MCHALE'S PICK
feelingsupersonic, on 21 January 2013 - 03:22 AM said:
Right on sircharles let me second that just in case it's not clear:
Royce White was Kevin McHale's pick not Daryl Morey's pick.
And I'm not going to even get into the other opinions about Daryl Morey which I completely disagree with and thought had been covered. Also to think that fans opinions should change about their teams just because a losing streak occurs is ridiculous, short sighted and part of the problem with fans nowadays in my opinion.
(No matter how much disagreement there is here guys let's keep it civil and please avoid personal attacks. We are all here because we are informed and knowledgeable Rockets fans so keep it clean and stimulating. We have a higher standard here at Red94 so adhere to it.)
miketheodio, on 20 January 2013 - 22:55 PM said:
where do you think this team should be at with the proper coaching?
Kade, on 20 January 2013 - 21:41 PM said:
Again this falls on Morey. This wasn't taking a chance this was stupidity and desperation. White didn't get on the plane to see calipari at Kentucky to play for them and had a pattern so it's laughable that Morey uses the "you told us getting on plane wouldn't be a problem"
Look at it like this : you know a girl who isn't stable in the head and has never been faithful she always cheats so you ask her to be your girlfriend but first "will you be faithful this time?" She says of course! When she cheats on you it falls as much or more on you. People rarely ever change.
you couldn't wait could you Kade. you want to throw some mud at morey so bad it's killing you isn't it? you make me laugh i'm not going to get into a morey debate on the white thread though. I saw part of the royce interview and he sound like an educated fool. what he is asking the rockets for is unrealistic. I guess when you live in looney toon land anything sounds possible. at the end of the day the rockets are a business trying to make a profit. royce saying that he wants them to make decisions on doctor's orders regardless of if it's a good business decision is looney. when is the last time any of you walked into your employer and told him you don't care if he makes a profit you want things run your way. when you do things that stupid you gotta be expecting to get tossed out on your head. in royce's case the sooner the better.Kade, on 20 January 2013 - 21:41 PM said:
Again this falls on Morey. This wasn't taking a chance this was stupidity and desperation. White didn't get on the plane to see calipari at Kentucky to play for them and had a pattern so it's laughable that Morey uses the "you told us getting on plane wouldn't be a problem"
Look at it like this : you know a girl who isn't stable in the head and has never been faithful she always cheats so you ask her to be your girlfriend but first "will you be faithful this time?" She says of course! When she cheats on you it falls as much or more on you. People rarely ever change.
Kade, on 20 January 2013 - 21:41 PM said:
Again this falls on Morey. This wasn't taking a chance this was stupidity and desperation. White didn't get on the plane to see calipari at Kentucky to play for them and had a pattern so it's laughable that Morey uses the "you told us getting on plane wouldn't be a problem"
Look at it like this : you know a girl who isn't stable in the head and has never been faithful she always cheats so you ask her to be your girlfriend but first "will you be faithful this time?" She says of course! When she cheats on you it falls as much or more on you. People rarely ever change.
Kade, on 20 January 2013 - 21:37 PM said:
How bout them Rockets! Same thing different year.
Guys finally ready to get off the Morey train and join me or hope one of these days his throwing darts against the wall will turn up gold?
bboley24, on 18 January 2013 - 01:26 AM said:
Apparently he doesn't like 2-a-days.
rockets best fan, on 15 January 2013 - 22:37 PM said:
SIR Thursday:
all players don't play the the game because they love it. some play it because their good at it. they simply have the intangables necessary to excell at the sport. while I will agree it does warrant a closer look at a player, there are many factors that go into the process. like I said b4 (who said the rockets didn't take a closer look and thought they could deal with his issues). royce was a gamble, but the kid clearly has the intangables that may lead to suscess in the nba. did the rockets underestimate how far in left field royce was? probably, but the fact they took the gamble shows me that they willing to take the gambles that I think are necessary to build a contending team. you don't win every time out. royce has other interest besides basketball.......big deal. I hope he blossoms at something because it doesn't look like it's going to be basketball. I believe that when a players expresses interest in other things it does have to be taken into context with everything else about that player, but to say that's grounds for dismissing a players potiental is a little overboard.
Sir Thursday, on 15 January 2013 - 17:14 PM said:
I do remember an interesting anecdote from one of the Sloan Sports Analytics conferences a few years back, though I can't remember who it was attributed to. Someone in a position of power in an NBA front office said he asked Marcus Banks (remember him?) what his ambitions in life were and the guy said "to be a male model". That to him threw up a red flag, because he was expecting the response to be something basketball related. While eating/sleeping basketball 24/7 is not required or even necessarily healthy in a player, having one's primary goal be to playing basketball is a highly desirable trait because it ensures that the player will be willing to take the steps he needs to do in order to succeed at the NBA level.
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timetodienow1234567, on 15 January 2013 - 03:52 AM said:
He said he was a writer FIRST and a baksetball player second is a HUGE red flag. That doesn't condemn him, but it makes us take a closer look. It's that in combination of other things that should be warning signs. I love Arian Foster. I did think he would take a step back since he went Vegan right at the beginning of the year, but he proved most of us wrong. And when did I say he can't be good because he has more than one interest? I said that his priorities are with writing(aka Twitter) and not his NBA career is a negative. Did Foster ever say I'm a poet first and a member of the Texans second? I don't think so.
I agree it warranted taking a closer look, but who said the rockets didn't take a closer look. I refuse too look through those hindsight 20/20 vision glasses. the rockets took a gamble. didn't work out. I am not one for crying over spilled milk. I just want the rockets to resolve the issue. I don't feel a need to cut royce down. he is doing that for himself. royce has become a thorn in the foot to the rockets. I just want them to get it removed so we can get back to basketball talk instead of dicussions about levels of insanity.timetodienow1234567, on 15 January 2013 - 03:52 AM said:
He said he was a writer FIRST and a baksetball player second is a HUGE red flag. That doesn't condemn him, but it makes us take a closer look. It's that in combination of other things that should be warning signs. I love Arian Foster. I did think he would take a step back since he went Vegan right at the beginning of the year, but he proved most of us wrong. And when did I say he can't be good because he has more than one interest? I said that his priorities are with writing(aka Twitter) and not his NBA career is a negative. Did Foster ever say I'm a poet first and a member of the Texans second? I don't think so.
yeah. even though it isn't basketball, take a look at arian foster. he has many interests beside football and he's still a good running back.rockets best fan, on 14 January 2013 - 23:21 PM said:
totally disagree. are you saying a player has to sleep and eat basketball or he will be no good? many players have other interest. no one is mad when foster reads his poetry. it is possible to be good at more than one thing. heck there are players who do sleep and eat basketball and still turn out to be duds. saying a person can not be good at one thing simply because they have interest in other areas doesn't make sense to me. looking back in hinesight is always 20/20. royce was a gamble that hasn't panned out.... nothing more nothing less. attempting to cut down royce on the basis of what he does in his spare time is unfair. now if you want to cut him down for his inability to handle his responsabilities.... I can live with that. if you want to cut him down for his child like behavior.... I can live with that. even if you want to cut him down because he is an untalented priva donna......I can live with that, but saying the man can't be good solely on the basis of having more than one interest is unreasonable.
totally disagree. are you saying a player has to sleep and eat basketball or he will be no good? many players have other interest. no one is mad when foster reads his poetry. it is possible to be good at more than one thing. heck there are players who do sleep and eat basketball and still turn out to be duds. saying a person can not be good at one thing simply because they have interest in other areas doesn't make sense to me. looking back in hinesight is always 20/20. royce was a gamble that hasn't panned out.... nothing more nothing less. attempting to cut down royce on the basis of what he does in his spare time is unfair. now if you want to cut him down for his inability to handle his responsabilities.... I can live with that. if you want to cut him down for his child like behavior.... I can live with that. even if you want to cut him down because he is an untalented priva donna......I can live with that, but saying the man can't be good solely on the basis of having more than one interest is unreasonable.timetodienow1234567, on 14 January 2013 - 18:19 PM said:
Based on his attitude, post-draft, I would say that it was a mistake to draft White. His comments about being a writer first/basketball player second and his other behaviours just reinforces his lack of committment to basketball. However, if his phobia about planes are real, then he did try at the beginning of the season to work on it, but his lack of playing time made it seem to him not worth the hassle(at least that's my opinion).
revenge. that's a strong word. I have nothing personal against royce. I simply want the rockets to resolve the distraction he is causing for the team. I could care less what royce does once he's gone. as for morey being a laughing stock......I don't think chicago is laughing about asik and neither are the other gm's in the league. every gm understand that the draft is a hit/miss business. name one gm who has hit on every pick. not even your golden boy presti has done that morey hits way more than he misses, but you are unable to see it because you are blinded by your hate for the job he does. I was also against the white drafting, but I can't fault morey for rolling the dice. it's the nature of the business. now since you seem to like sullinger, what's the rap on him. good player, very bad knees. we were searching for players with durability. this team is being built for the future right? we want someone who will be around by then right? that's probably why we didn't draft him. pj3 has proved the same thing as the rooks we have up to this point......nothing. sorry lebron wasn't on the board for our 3 picks and we had to take a chance on some unproven talent, but that's just the way it is. live with it or maybe root for another team who meets your standards, though I doubt you will find one.Kade, on 14 January 2013 - 15:33 PM said:
Does it really matter except the fact Morey and the Rockets threw away a pick? Getting revenge won't hide the fact Morey was the laughing stock and just as easily could have said they were going to take that pick and draft himself. I was shocked when we drafted him as were all the other GMs that bypassed him for obvious reasons.
Perhaps drafting someone else wouldn't have worked but with Sullinger and PJ3 still on the board at least take a chance on a guy who doesn't freak out by the mere thought of getting on a plane.
Kade, on 14 January 2013 - 15:33 PM said:
Does it really matter except the fact Morey and the Rockets threw away a pick? Getting revenge won't hide the fact Morey was the laughing stock and just as easily could have said they were going to take that pick and draft himself. I was shocked when we drafted him as were all the other GMs that bypassed him for obvious reasons.
Perhaps drafting someone else wouldn't have worked but with Sullinger and PJ3 still on the board at least take a chance on a guy who doesn't freak out by the mere thought of getting on a plane.
Bigtkirk, on 14 January 2013 - 13:37 PM said:
Look at it this way. If White's ailment were a physical illness or injury, and a dispute arose between the team and the player over whether the player was physically able to perform under the contract, the dispute would be resolved through arbitration pursuant to the collective bargaining agreement. Both sides would present their experts regarding the illness or injury and the arbitrator would decide the issue of whether the player is physically able to perform. Where the player can provide experts who testify that he is physically unable to perform, my understanding is that the player usually wins. Unless the player covered up the illness or injury at the time the team and the players entered into the contract (extremely unlikely -- that's why contracts are subject to extensive physical examinations), the team has no other basis to void the contract. Inasmuch as the compensation is guaranteed, the team must pay the player.
White's situation is really no different from the above. He has mental ailment that was known by both parties at the time he entered into the contract. He contends that the ailment prevents him from being physically able to perform his duties under the contract. The team disagrees. The dispute will end up in arbitration where White will probably win so long as he his legal team can present reasonably effective experts who testify that White is physically unable to perform. Inasmuch as the Rockets knew about White's condition and took the risk related to it in entering into a guaranteed contract with White, the team has no other basis to void the contract.
In view of the foregoing, rather than making this a drawn out distraction for the team, the Rockets should just accept the failed risk, settle up with White and move on.
rockets best fan, on 12 January 2013 - 02:16 AM said:
hahaha I don't think even al can help in this one royce is waiting for the rockets to attempt to void his contract. that's when the real fireworks will start. this is going to be settled in court. and personally I can't wait for the rockets to give royce that wakeup pill. only when he finds himself out of the nba will the reality hit of the chance he blew with the rockets
rockets best fan, on 11 January 2013 - 03:36 AM said:
Kade is the type of fan that will never be happy unless we win it all and even then he will be complaining. if we had passed on white and he went to some other team and blossomed he would be questioning why we didn't take him even though we had 3 draft picks. you can never make him happy
rockets best fan, on 11 January 2013 - 03:36 AM said:
Kade is the type of fan that will never be happy unless we win it all and even then he will be complaining. if we had passed on white and he went to some other team and blossomed he would be questioning why we didn't take him even though we had 3 draft picks. you can never make him happy
rockets best fan, on 12 January 2013 - 02:16 AM said:
royce is waiting for the rockets to attempt to void his contract. that's when the real fireworks will start. this is going to be settled in court.
YES without a doubt. I don't think we will see it this season, but if the problems are not resolved by seasons end, I expect it. the rockets have made sure to dot every I and cross every T. when I heard les response to a question on royce and he responded" it would be a shame to waste a first round draft, but you win some you lose some" that doesn't sound too optimistic. les may save already accepted the fact that royce is a lost cause. which leads me to believe that if there were not repercussion for the league involved royce would have already recieved his walking papers. this is why the rockets have been maticulase(I know this spelling is bad ) in dealing with royce.bboley24, on 12 January 2013 - 03:14 AM said:
Do you think the Rockets will go that far?
hahaha I don't think even al can help in this one royce is waiting for the rockets to attempt to void his contract. that's when the real fireworks will start. this is going to be settled in court. and personally I can't wait for the rockets to give royce that wakeup pill. only when he finds himself out of the nba will the reality hit of the chance he blew with the rocketsbboley24, on 12 January 2013 - 01:49 AM said:
So Royce is eating cheetos again? What is the next step of this suspension? Lawsuits? Is the players association behind him? Where is Al Sharpton????
Ostrow, on 09 January 2013 - 00:48 AM said:
I'm just saying that the multiple school doesn't mean that the player won't be good or has mental issues, or anything like that.. Some guys just play for different schools.
bboley24, on 08 January 2013 - 23:55 PM said:
Without lamb or toronto... we have no harden.
Kade, on 08 January 2013 - 14:47 PM said:
Durant never got a call from Calipari to come do a meet and greet to play for Kentucky and backed out cause flying freaked him out. I don't know but to me I know that why would a player turn that down? Two reasons 1. He has serious issues or 2. Doesn't like the limelight or pressure
Seems like he has a bit of both and probably the real reason he doesn't want to play in the NBA.
Kade, on 08 January 2013 - 15:21 PM said:
More like dumb luck. OKC was offered better deals and shockingly took ours. We will never get a Harden like offer again so unless we magically get another superstar then what? Again, two tried and true methods, no more no less in how to produce a championship team. Just think we could already have a lottery player and Lin and Harden and Asik if Morey wasn't so interested in having the best worst team in the NBA like 4 years in a row. Congrats?
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I was inclined to be sympathetic to Royce before this interview, but after reading this, I've got none. The Rockets bent over backwards to accommodate his various phobias and anxieties*, then he rips them on twitter and refuses to do anything to earn the $2MM per year he has coming to him.
Meanwhile, he keeps on talking about "protocol" without getting into specifics about what the Rockets have done wrong (one of the classiest organizations in sports, btw). I suspect it's because they haven't done anything wrong.
At a certain point, the Rockets have to dedicate some management time to the other 20 players on their roster and run a coherent basketball offense and defense. And at a certain point, they have to write off this total waste of a first round draft pick and $11 million (!) in guaranteed money.
*list so far as I car tell is OCD, PTSD (!), fear of flying, fear of cars, fear of spontaneously dying of a heart attack, unexplained migraines, fear of lung collapse, inability to sleep, and sweaty palms (can't be good for shooting). Sign this guy up!
timetodienow1234567, on 08 January 2013 - 16:30 PM said:
It seems he's been "overdiagnosed." He's convinced he has all of these disorders.
timetodienow1234567, on 08 January 2013 - 15:26 PM said:
The Rockets are rolling, the team seems to be gelling and things are looking up. Morey is one of the BEST at spotting talent. It's not his fault Lin got away, that's the coach's fault. He brought Lin in from GS but the coach didn't think much of him. Don't rewrite history to suit your narrative. I agree they need a second superstar to win a chip unless they come together and play like a team. The Pistons didn't have any superstars they just had a ton of borderline all-stars which allowed them to win a ring. We already got Harden and I think Asik/Parsons/Lin have the potential to be borderline all-stars every year if they stay focused on getting better which they seem to be. Is Morey perfect? No. But he's made the best of a bad situation. He tried to do what you say and suck, why do you think he amnestied Scola? Is it his fault that the coach and players didn't take as much time to gel as he thought they would?
Kade, on 08 January 2013 - 15:21 PM said:
More like dumb luck. OKC was offered better deals and shockingly took ours. We will never get a Harden like offer again so unless we magically get another superstar then what? Again, two tried and true methods, no more no less in how to produce a championship team. Just think we could already have a lottery player and Lin and Harden and Asik if Morey wasn't so interested in having the best worst team in the NBA like 4 years in a row. Congrats?
timetodienow1234567, on 08 January 2013 - 15:15 PM said:
He got Harden. How? By trading and trading and getting the pieces(a la Martin) to get Harden. He hasn't always made the best decisions but would you seriously rather be Sacremento, Toronto, Washington, etc... This team has a bright future and is a legit PF and a deep bench away from competing for a championship. Harden is the best player to play for the Rockets since Hakeem.
Kade, on 08 January 2013 - 15:10 PM said:
Competitive, since when under Morey? You mean the Yao and McGrady years? That predates Morey.
Spurs threw games to get Duncan (and luck since they weren't the worst team, Celtics were) and as I mentioned already the other way are teams with sound NBA history that players want to go play for (Celtics, Lakers and Bulls as I mentioned as examples)
I'm not angry I'm just amazed how people can accept being the best bad team year after year yet still praise him. Low expectations and praying isn't going to get you into the playoffs let alone a championship which is proven to be the case so far. The Money Ball method has never and will never work. Even Oakland didn't get to World Series under Bean. It sounds good and it's fun to talk about stats but at the end of the day the ONLY two ways you are going to build a legit championship kind of team. Morey doesn't agree and has used his own system and has failed to date. Maybe another 10 years he'll get lucky once?
timetodienow1234567, on 08 January 2013 - 15:03 PM said:
Heat/Celtics/Lakers/Spurs disagree about throwing games. Or are you angry that he put together competitive enough teams to keep the Rockets away from the top tier lottery picks. Are you saying he wasn't corrupt enough?
Kade, on 08 January 2013 - 14:59 PM said:
I'd rather have some top three lottery pick players with Asik/Harden which we could easily have had if we stopped playing best worst team in the NBA for many wasted years. Morey's ego is too big for that to happen though.
If Morey knew what he had we could have had Lin for peanuts either way he isn't a max contract player Morey overpaid because he blew up for a few weeks in NY and kicked himself for not knowing what he had.
Look at Morey's results, no sniff in the playoffs, nada, zero. Don't count McGrady/Yao years either which predated Morey. Results is proof and go look at OKC as to how to build a team, that's how you do it by having multiple bad years and the smarts to draft Harden and Westbrook higher than what everyone says.
timetodienow1234567, on 08 January 2013 - 14:48 PM said:
Are you saying you'd rather have the team of Dragic/Scola/Martin/Budinger etc... than a team with Asik/Lin/Harden/Parsons??? Seriously?
Kade, on 08 January 2013 - 14:44 PM said:
I'm saying Morey needs to take a hit here. The Harden deal had little to do with Morey and in fact OKC got better offers and many were stumped as to why they made the deal with us.
Under Morey we have regressed in regards to coaching as well. I think he doesn't want a dynamic HC who has proven to be a winner, if so then he ultimately doesn't have more control.
Hopefully we will get lucky and get another franchise player but we'd be a lot further if we had played our younger guys taken a chance at lottery picks in the draft than his way.
Ostrow, on 07 January 2013 - 21:45 PM said:
The thing about White playing for two colleges isn't really a mental issue. He was essentially kicked out of Minnesota. He got caught stealing. And a lot of people play for multiple high schools. I think Durant played for 3 so I don't think that is anything either.
rockets best fan, on 07 January 2013 - 19:29 PM said:
Kade:
the rockets b4 this year were looking for a star. as the princess would say (sometimes you got to kiss a lot of frogs b4 you find the prince). so I for 1 don't have a problem with moving players trying to get better players. morey has not been perfect, but (IMO) has played the hand he's been dealt pretty well. last year when he broke up the team I questioned it for awhile , but looking back now I can see morey was not trying to find good players he was after a star. kudos to him for staying focused despite people like you calling for his head. their is no doubt morey has stepped in the dodo a couple of times, but being a gm is about taking risk and at the end of the day it's the best calculated risk that the gm gets paid to take. all won't turn to gold, but you sure better hit the target more times than not and morey is good at this. in morey I trust doesn't mean I won't be watching and disecting each move it means I trust the process you use to calculate the risk factor. I like morey as the rockets driver and it looks like we just turned out of the traffic jam and onto some clear road ahead sorry to get off topic, but had to throw that in.
DaDakota, on 08 January 2013 - 04:47 AM said:
Nothing wrong with rolling the dice on White, but they came up snake eyes.
Most 16th picks are out of the league in a year or two anyway.
DD
miketheodio, on 07 January 2013 - 18:52 PM said:
i dont think you understand exactly how morey makes his decisions. it's similar to the way a trader buys and sells stocks. all of the moves he made, made it possible for the rockets to acquire a franchise players like harden.
DaDakota, on 08 January 2013 - 04:47 AM said:
Nothing wrong with rolling the dice on White, but they came up snake eyes.
Most 16th picks are out of the league in a year or two anyway.
DD
rocketrick, on 07 January 2013 - 19:03 PM said:
One of these days Rudy Gay will stop coming up in these conversations when Morey is brought up. That was a different time for the Rockets with Yao and McGrady and Battier at that time made a lot of sense. Hindsight is always 20-20 and of course everyone knows the Yao/McGrady franchise didn't pan out. In my opinion, the Rockets are currently in a much better place with their Roster sans Rudy Gay.
Plus there were a number of NBA experts that had Royce White going higher than the 16th pick even knowing his unique situation and excessive baggage.
Even if Morey won GM of the year at the end of this season, he will always have his detractors here in Houston..
Kade, on 07 January 2013 - 18:44 PM said:
I don't consider a GM who ends up year after year having the best worst team as doing a good job. For every Harden there's 5 times as many picks and trades he's made that wasn't a good job. I LOVED Rudy Gay and was happy when we drafted him. Morey loves to trade or drop players too quickly.
Are players a risk when you draft them? Sure but when you have a player with Royce talent who falls to 16th pick alarm bells should ring off. Either he's got serious problems mentally or has major injury that won't get better.
Put it to you this way, if Royce hadn't showed a pattern of bailing/not playing in HS, College and especially blowing off Kentucky cause he didn't want to fly for a face to face meeting and it's all over the news he doesn't want to fly (regardless if he's got a mental problem or not) you don't draft him at 16th. Second round? Sure but why throw away a pick knowing that your chances of him playing is 10% at best?
Kade, on 07 January 2013 - 18:44 PM said:
I don't consider a GM who ends up year after year having the best worst team as doing a good job. For every Harden there's 5 times as many picks and trades he's made that wasn't a good job. I LOVED Rudy Gay and was happy when we drafted him. Morey loves to trade or drop players too quickly. From Lin to Dragic to Lowry. I understand that you have to deal players but we've let go more talent than we've acquired under Morey. KM is also not the answer for HC. He never or rarely plays rookies yet we have a GM who is bent on acquiring rookies. Seems opposite philosophy.
Are players a risk when you draft them? Sure but when you have a player with Royce talent who falls to 16th pick alarm bells should ring off. Either he's got serious problems mentally or has major injury that won't get better.
Put it to you this way, if Royce hadn't showed a pattern of bailing/not playing in HS, College and especially blowing off Kentucky cause he didn't want to fly for a face to face meeting and it's all over the news he doesn't want to fly (regardless if he's got a mental problem or not) you don't draft him at 16th. Second round? Sure but why throw away a pick knowing that your chances of him playing is 10% at best?
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Morey could have added a piece and made another run at the playoffs. Instead he went to Alexander and told him they needed to take on even more risk.
One of the 400 richest men in the country, Alexander has spent his life evaluating risk. When I visited him in his office, he shuffled poker chips one-handed as we talked, and he plays regularly in a game with Carl Icahn and one of the top Goldman guys. He told Morey to do whatever it took.
So Morey used the second of his three first-round choices, the 16th pick, to draft the riskiest player available, Iowa State\'s Royce White. A 6\'8", 260-pound power forward with the passing skills of a point guard, White suffers from an anxiety disorder that makes him afraid to fly. Many questioned the selection, but Morey and Hinkie saw it not as a matter of emotion or reason but of probability. They needed an elite player, and in their estimation White was one of the five top talents in the draft.
feelingsupersonic, on 07 January 2013 - 17:15 PM said:
No one needs to take a hit.
In the big picture this is a small percentage of the Rockets organization and it's ongoing activity. Sure he was a number 16 pick but that's a gamble anyway and hindsight analysis with regards to the NBA draft is always infinitely more easy than scouting before the draft. White was actually McHale's pick and I believe it is pretty well documented.
By the way, I am pretty sure Morey does his homework and then some.
feelingsupersonic, on 07 January 2013 - 17:15 PM said:
No one needs to take a hit.
In the big picture this is a small percentage of the Rockets organization and it's ongoing activity. Sure he was a number 16 pick but that's a gamble anyway and hindsight analysis with regards to the NBA draft is always infinitely more easy than scouting before the draft. White was actually McHale's pick and I believe it is pretty well documented.
By the way, I am pretty sure Morey does his homework and then some.
Kade, on 07 January 2013 - 18:44 PM said:
I don't consider a GM who ends up year after year having the best worst team as doing a good job. For every Harden there's 5 times as many picks and trades he's made that wasn't a good job. I LOVED Rudy Gay and was happy when we drafted him. Morey loves to trade or drop players too quickly. From Lin to Dragic to Lowry. I understand that you have to deal players but we've let go more talent than we've acquired under Morey. KM is also not the answer for HC. He never or rarely plays rookies yet we have a GM who is bent on acquiring rookies. Seems opposite philosophy.
Are players a risk when you draft them? Sure but when you have a player with Royce talent who falls to 16th pick alarm bells should ring off. Either he's got serious problems mentally or has major injury that won't get better.
Put it to you this way, if Royce hadn't showed a pattern of bailing/not playing in HS, College and especially blowing off Kentucky cause he didn't want to fly for a face to face meeting and it's all over the news he doesn't want to fly (regardless if he's got a mental problem or not) you don't draft him at 16th. Second round? Sure but why throw away a pick knowing that your chances of him playing is 10% at best?
rockets best fan, on 07 January 2013 - 18:02 PM said:
totally agree feelingsupersonic. morey does not to take a hit over white. all.......... let me repeat that ALL draft pick are a gamble since they are players who have never played in the league b4. I don't see anyone complaining about the other draft picks morey selected. I don't see anyone complaining about the asik and lin signing. point being.......morey is doing a fine job. sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. its the nature of being a GM. more times than not morey is on the money and (IMO) that's all you can really ask for. now back to the white situation......white seems more interested in sueing the rockets and the nba for not having what he considers proper guidelines to handle his condition than playing basketball. I am glad the rockets have decided to stop cuddling this knucklehead and cut ties with him. even if white decided to get his act together at this point they should still cut him. after this fallout he can never be trusted. better to find out who he is now than have him become a part of the team and then go into this act. this sitiuation will be settled in court. while white has been trying to build his case, so are the rockets. a lot of eyes are on this situation ie... players union, stern and league office, players agents just to name a few because the fallout may affect the cba. as far as I can see looks like the rockets have covered their bases pretty well. white is going to need a hell of a lawyer to come away with this one
feelingsupersonic, on 07 January 2013 - 17:15 PM said:
No one needs to take a hit.
In the big picture this is a small percentage of the Rockets organization and it's ongoing activity. Sure he was a number 16 pick but that's a gamble anyway and hindsight analysis with regards to the NBA draft is always infinitely more easy than scouting before the draft. White was actually McHale's pick and I believe it is pretty well documented.
By the way, I am pretty sure Morey does his homework and then some.
sircharles, on 02 January 2013 - 00:43 AM said:
i think you're jumping the gun, its pretty clear that he is mentally unstable. were upset because we want to see him on the court. the truth is we have no idea what is going on behind closed doors, especially with this situation.
bboley24, on 17 December 2012 - 02:19 AM said:
I would love to see him workout with Rio. Get him out there in their facilities. No travel. Just play home games. Have a regiment of a professional athlete. That's why I am so interested about what he's doing. The situation for he and the organization doesn't seem to be moving in any direction. Just screwing around trying to justify his absence.
rocketrick, on 30 November 2012 - 23:31 PM said:
Several Harlem Globetrotter players were sitting in my section Tuesday night (Toronto). Doesn't look like they were scouting Royce White though since he has sort of disappeared off into la-la land. It's incredible to think Royce White actually believes his mental illness would improve only if the Rockets would give him some playing time in games. Practice? Who needs practice if your name if Royce White? I'm sure the other Rockets players would understand if Royce White all of a sudden was promoted to starting PF in place of Patterson. Of course, there are a number of people on these boards that would be just fine with that, perhaps that is why Royce White believes the Rockets simply should hand him the starting PF job or give him 20-25 minutes in a key backup role sans practice time.