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[Richards]

I hope he find peace away from NBA. NBA is 82-games a season and a lot of travel by air.

If he can't take a private jet, how would he survive otherwise.

 

Sorry for him. it is a really sad story.

[Steven]

I hope he find peace away from NBA. NBA is 82-games a season and a lot of travel by air.
If he can't take a private jet, how would he survive otherwise.

Sorry for him. it is a really sad story.

He can fly. He flew to games when at Iowa State. He choices to be different and not fly with the Rockets because he says he doesn't "trust" them. I think (and this is my opinion) he is just a spoiled brat of the AAU generation who has been pampered since he was little and never been told no or had adult responsibilities.

[Mason Khamvilay]

I know two people in my workplace of have anxiety issues, they get paranoid and hard to deal with sometimes but they still get their work done. 

[bboley24]

I was hoping that he'd see what Donatas has done and thought to himself, "wow, that could've been me.  Let's try to correct this now and fight for the starting pf spot on this roster."  

 

It's clear to me that he flat out doesn't care about anything but himself.  

 

Peace be with you Royce!

[Mason Khamvilay]

I've been looking at his twitter feed and there a surprising amount of people saying things like "Don't worry about the haters, they have no idea how much anxiety disorder can affect a person's life". I try to stay open minded because I know I'm ignorant on the matter and I'm trying to not to blame Royce for the way things have been, but at the end of the day a fact we all know is that the NBA is a business. When Royce was drafted he said he can fly, it turns out that was a lie and his has apologized for misleading the Rockets. From there Morey set up meetings with a specialist/psychiatrist to which Royce agreed he will see, he never did. And on top of his lies, Royce has been speaking negatively about the Rockets organization on his twitter feed. He has shown very little remorse for his unprofessional and disrespectful actions, and I simply can't help but be very disappointed in him.

[rockets best fan]

I've been looking at his twitter feed and there a surprising amount of people saying things like "Don't worry about the haters, they have no idea how much anxiety disorder can affect a person's life". I try to stay open minded because I know I'm ignorant on the matter and I'm trying to not to blame Royce for the way things have been, but at the end of the day a fact we all know is that the NBA is a business. When Royce was drafted he said he can fly, it turns out that was a lie and his has apologized for misleading the Rockets. From there Morey set up meetings with a specialist/psychiatrist to which Royce agreed he will see, he never did. And on top of his lies, Royce has been speaking negatively about the Rockets organization on his twitter feed. He has shown very little remorse for his unprofessional and disrespectful actions, and simply can't help but be very disappointed in him.

those are kind words for royce (IMO) i'm a bit harsher. when we drafted royce I didn't like the pick, but understood the possibilities. royce has been nothing short of a total flop. i'm not going  to even get into his whining on twitter, because that speaks for itself. i'm no genius on mental health, but my understanding of the best treatment in most disorders like royce's was at some point to face your fears there by overcoming them? royce has a group of people around him who enable him to remain in his condition because they sheild him from reality. the world will not change for royce. he needs to learn how to adapt to the world. in the beginning I had real hope this guy would come around. especially once I got a look at some film on him. now i'm just hoping the rockets pay him and cut him outright. he has become a thorn in our backside. (IMO) the rockets have bent over backward to try and reach this guy. problem is I don't see royce reaching back. I don't see a middle ground with him. he wants all or nothing. well if I had my way it would be the NOTHING.

[phaketrash]

Sometimes facing fears is much easier said than done when it comes to anxiety disorders. It could actually cause a lot of emotional and psychological damage if it isn't handled correctly, assuming White's condition is as serious as he makes us think it is. I have no idea as I obviously don't know White. But even treatments for phobias that used to be in vogue (like "flooding") just aren't really applied anymore haha.

 

Regardless of his mental health though, I can't agree with how he went about...just pretty much everything. His message is lost in his immaturity. It's ironic because his twitter and interview comments all suggest that he believes he is not naive about the world -- that he "understands" how the world works...yet in truth, he doesn't at all understand how to be an adult in the real world, instead choosing to constantly broadcast his callow statements. It is a shame for us because we wasted a pick. It is a shame for the nba because they'll miss out on a player who maybe could have been something. It is a shame for those athletes who suffer from mental health issues because I think he's hurt them more than helped them. And it is a shame for him for the above reasons, and most importantly because I don't think he's learned crap from all of this. He'll still think the system is what is broken and that he did everything correctly. Like I said, a shame...

[Mason Khamvilay]

those are kind words for royce (IMO) i'm a bit harsher. when we drafted royce I didn't like the pick, but understood the possibilities. royce has been nothing short of a total flop. i'm not going  to even get into his whining on twitter, because that speaks for itself. i'm no genius on mental health, but my understanding of the best treatment in most disorders like royce's was at some point to face your fears there by overcoming them? royce has a group of people around him who enable him to remain in his condition because they sheild him from reality. the world will not change for royce. he needs to learn how to adapt to the world. in the beginning I had real hope this guy would come around. especially once I got a look at some film on him. now i'm just hoping the rockets pay him and cut him outright. he has become a thorn in our backside. (IMO) the rockets have bent over backward to try and reach this guy. problem is I don't see royce reaching back. I don't see a middle ground with him. he wants all or nothing. well if I had my way it would be the NOTHING.

That's an interesting train of thought,  "Royce has a group of people around him who enable him to remain in his condition because they shield him from reality". I'm not sure I would use those exact words, but I do think Royce needs to do what he can in spite of his condition rather than allow his condition be a roadblock in his life. It's like Michael Jordan said: "If you run into a wall don't turn around and give up. Find a way to climb it, go through it, or work around it". Thank God Jordan had that kind of mentality and not the one Royce White has, talent is a terrible thing to waste.

 

edit: Just to clarify because someone might misinterpret what I said. I want to be sensitive to his issues and as understanding as possible, but at the same time I want to see him make more of an effort.

[Richards]

Fear growing in him cause he was running away from it instead of fighting through.

Believe it or not. More people died in car accidents than plane crash.

[Rahat Huq]

He's so bad at articulating what he's trying to say. It's amazingly frustrating. This may simply be, as noted, that the team doctor thinks what's best for him and the team is for him to just come back and start working out and getting ready for summer. (and that seems very likely) I mean, if he'd stayed with the Vipers all season and never played on the Rockets nobody would have been shocked. So it's not like a huge scoop that he's not going to be with the team. But all he does is say this dramatic sounding stuff and tweet things about how he doesn't care about basketball or whatever and he alienates everyone.

 

I seriously think that if he had like... a PR staff? We'd all like him and this would be fine. 

Every time I read/hear something he says, I have to facepalm.  He's basically a teenager that read a book on mental health and is now an expert advocate.  It's almost akin to the transformation college freshmen make when getting their first taste of political activism.  It's embarrassing.

 

The sad part is, he has a legit cause and could have done much for awareness.  That would have come from shutting his trap, playing hard, excelling, and then letting people know what he's been battling with.  Like Ron Artest giving a shout out to his shrink after winning the title.  

 

I'm all about rights.  But when you are vying for a job with only 300 spots, no one is going to bend over for you, especially when you suck.  You can either do the job, or you can't.  Someone needs to give this guy a cold dose of reality.

[Mason Khamvilay]

[rockets best fan]

royce sounds like an educated fool (IMO)

[Dan G]

Ughh..after watching that CNN clip I'm ready to wash my hands of this guy. Speaking of the clip, is it me or with each new video that surfaces of him, he is starting to look and talk more and more like a pompous douche?

 

Anyway, I'm getting so tired of him doing nothing but talking smack about how businesses and corporations are out there only to make money and don't care about its employees (which can be true at times but not always) and that he is not being treated fairly when it comes to mental illness but whenever anyone asks him on how he is being treated unfairly or what else needs to be done to accommodate his needs, he basically dodges the question and goes to his same old talking points of "recognition of mental illness." He is like a one trick pony with his talking points. Come up with something new please (poop or get off the pot). Also, what is the big secret of what the Rockets are "not doing" to accommodate him? It's like he is holding the Rockets hostage but can't make up his mind on what his demands should be when talking to the negotiator. It is my opinion Royce White doesn't even know now what needs to be done if anything, wants to soak up all this media exposure and hopes everyone will ignore the fact he is sucking on the court.

 

My only solace now is that he has burned so many bridges and he is sucking so bad, a year from now he will more than likely be out of the NBA and will be a distant memory of just another washed up draft pick. It just sucks he was our draft pick.

 

I apologize if I'm being too cruel and I am usually not like this, but as a physically disabled person myself, it sounds like he is trying to abuse the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) to get his every wish, and I take offense to that because it could wind up hurting those of us who want to use the ADA to help us integrate into society instead of having society coddle or reject us due to our disability.

[Mason Khamvilay]

One of the youtube comments said something that took the words right out of my mouth: 

 

The anchor had to ask him three times what he specifically wasn't receiving from the Rockets, and all he could come up with is "recognition" and "respect" - nothing tangible.

 

That was very sketchy.  

[Dan G]

I bet I know why he never comes up with anything tangible: If he publicly mentions what tangible things he needs and the Rockets show they are accommodating those things, White would not have a leg to stand on. He would then either have to shut up and do his job or admit he has been doing all of this as some sort of crusade against corporations and big business. I'm always hearing too much of what is not being done for him (protocol, recognition, respect etc.) and nothing of what HE is doing to actually do his job. Maybe if he would go into more detail on some of the concessions he has made in this deal I would be more likely to side with him again. Until then, he is just whining to whine.

[Bigtkirk]

My sense from the beginning of this saga is that Rockets management has decided that White is a lost cause, but they are attempting to placate him so that they improve the club's chances of getting some draft compensation from the Commissioner's office because of White's chronic illness. Once that issue is decided, I think the Rockets will cut their losses and pay off the guaranteed portion of his contract. The reality is that White is not as good a player, and is unlikely to develop into as good a player, as either Motiejunas or Jones. The Rockets took a reasonable risk that didn't work out. That happens sometimes. Time to move on.

[Rahat Huq]

My sense from the beginning of this saga is that Rockets management has decided that White is a lost cause, but they are attempting to placate him so that they improve the club's chances of getting some draft compensation from the Commissioner's office because of White's chronic illness. Once that issue is decided, I think the Rockets will cut their losses and pay off the guaranteed portion of his contract. The reality is that White is not as good a player, and is unlikely to develop into as good a player, as either Motiejunas or Jones. The Rockets took a reasonable risk that didn't work out. That happens sometimes. Time to move on.

Agreed fully.  I think they came to terms a long time ago with the fact that he'll never contribute.  This is just about taking the necessary steps to ensure against a lawsuit (ie: if they cut him, he'd have some kind of standing for an ADA claim) and potential compensation.  

 

I think what's most annoying to me about this whole thing is how a) this is the biggest story about the Rockets in the national press and this is also actually somehow the biggest story about the Rockets on local radio.  The second part to me is just sad, given that this is one of the most exciting teams in the league.

[Mario Peña]

I also agree with everything you write Bigtkirk and especially agree with the last bit you wrote about Rahat. It is pathetic that 97.5 ESPN, 610 AM and to a lesser extent 790 dedicate their Rockets talk to Royce White related garbage. I had told myself I wouldn't post in this thread but the radio comment propelled me post here. It cannot even be considered basketball coverage what some Houston talk radio are engaging in but then again most listeners and radio people just care about the Texans, this is a NFL football town. I do have to give Mike Meltzer and his MAD radio show on 610 and some of the guys on 790 some credit for talking some real basketball analysis.

[PKM]

Agreed fully.  I think they came to terms a long time ago with the fact that he'll never contribute.  This is just about taking the necessary steps to ensure against a lawsuit (ie: if they cut him, he'd have some kind of standing for an ADA claim) and potential compensation.  

 

I think what's most annoying to me about this whole thing is how a) this is the biggest story about the Rockets in the national press and this is also actually somehow the biggest story about the Rockets on local radio.  The second part to me is just sad, given that this is one of the most exciting teams in the league.

 

This is so true.  My father doesn't even know who Harden is, but he knows about "Airplane guy", as he calls Royce. Utter embarassment.

 

Fact is that somebody, I'm think it was Jalen on his Grantland videos, said that if you don't have a guaranteed contract in the NBA, you're pretty much nobody.  Rockets will let him do his thing, not activate the 3rd year option on his contract ( and you pretty much have to be an epic failure to not even accomplish that - even Jonny Flynn managed to get a 3rd year), and let him go/waive him after the 2014 deadline. 

[Rahat Huq]

Topics more interesting than Royce White:

 

1. Playoff chase
2. Jeremy's growth as a player
3. D-Mo vs. Thomas Robinson
4. To Josh Smith or not?  
5. Chandler Parsons All-Star Potential

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165. Will the Rockets bring back Delfino?

220. Royce White

 

It's boring to me.  It's not remotely interesting.  It's just annoying at this point.  Yet the media and just about everyone except die-hards (here, Dreamshake, Clutchfans) act like its the only topic pertaining to the team.