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#1 Red94

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    Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:00 PM

    New post: Grading James Harden
    By: michael pina

    What more could James Harden have realistically accomplished this season? Before judging his porous defense (which I’ll be doing in a little while) or hounding on his sometimes poor decision-making in crunch time (he just missed another step back jumper), try and answer the question reasonably.

    What more could he have done as a 23-year-old assuming the weight of an entire franchise for the first time? There are so many fantastic things Harden did for the Houston Rockets this season, and almost all of them exceeded everyone’s expectations.

    Let’s start with changing a culture. Harden spent 78 regular season games representing the efficient style of basketball Houston wants its players to embody. That’s three-pointers, free-throws, and shots at the rim. According to NBA.com/Stats, over 90% of Harden’s points this season came from three-pointers, free-throws, and points in the paint. Just 7.1% of his scoring came on mid-range jump shots.

    As the team's leader and best player, Harden’s offensive tendencies were mimicked by just about all his teammates. Houston attempted the second most threes in the league, the fourth most free-throws and ranked ninth in percentage of team points that were scored in the paint. This is direct Harden influence. Kevin McHale accentuated his stars’ greatest strengths, instituting a season-long game plan that not only made Harden comfortable, but allowed him to be as productive as humanly possible.

    He’s as north/south as it gets, like a no-nonsense running back who never tap dances behind the line of scrimmage. There’s nothing like watching Harden in the open court as he picks up steam between the half-court logo and top of the three-point arc.

    Harden absolutely loves contact and he’s fearless from this point on, going all the way to the basket whether you want to stand in his way for a charge or not (this is good and bad, as Harden’s sometimes stubborn mentality was the probable cause for him leading the league in turnovers this season).

    But this mindset also afforded him 792 free-throw attempts, which led the entire league. Let’s compare that figure with a few other players when they were 23 years old.

    Kobe Bryant attempted 589 free-throws (he’s only passed 792 once, with 819—in two more games than Harden—in 2006), Dwyane Wade attempted 762 (he’d get to 803 the following season), Russell Westbrook attempted 413 (but it was during a lockout shortened season—his career-high is 631), Carmelo Anthony attempted 590 (in 77 games), Jerry West attempted an incredible 926 (and topped out at 977 in 1966), Tracy McGrady attempted 726 (then never came within 100 attempts of 700 for the rest of his career), Michael Jordan attempted a career-best 972, and LeBron James attempted 771 (though he registered an ungodly 821 two years prior).

    The sampling of players is random but impressive, as is how generously Harden matches up against them.

    Let's break down the rest of his offensive contribution. Harden attempted the fifth most three-pointers this season, and only Stephen Curry, Ryan Anderson, Klay Thompson, Kyle Korver, and Damian Lillard made more.

    Only LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, and Kevin Durant scored more than his 2023 total points, only five players averaged more minutes per game, and his scoring average of 25.9 points was more than Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, and Dwyane Wade.

    But what makes Harden more deadly than your typical high volume scorer is his ability to pass. He’s surgical with a high screen when the floor is spread, able to drive and kick after one strong dribble—that’s all it takes for him to make help defenders scurry into the paint—or throw a brilliant pocket pass to a rolling Omer Asik or Greg Smith (nobody throws a pocket pass with the fluidity of James Harden. Nobody).

    Also, he’s able to throw the incredibly difficult but increasingly crucial jump skip pass to the weak side corner off pick-and-roll action going the opposite way. This takes strength, intelligence, trust, and, obviously, pin point precision and timing.

    What’s not to love about this player? Well, how about the other end of the floor? In assuming all the core responsibilities for a top-10 offense, Harden never had the energy or willingness to defend at even an average level either on or off the ball this entire season.

    (Using his work on offense isn’t an excuse to cover up his poor defense, it’s a fact, plain as day.)

    He doesn't slide his feet, get low into proper defensive position or close out with much energy on shoots behind the three-point line. Transitioning from offense to defense was also a problem all year, as Harden's man would routinely beat him back down the court after he shot it.

    In the end, what Harden did/does on the other end outweighs the putridity with how he flails on defense. He finished in the top 15 throughout the league in Usage percentage, PER, Win Shares, and True Shooting percentage.

    These are the numbers of a franchise superstar. Harden is only 23 years old, making it all the sweeter that he’s locked up through his prime with the Houston Rockets. The defense should improve (hopefully) once another free agent is added to lessen Harden's offensive responsibility. As good as this year was, the future looks even better. This is a Hall of Fame talent.

    Grade: A-


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      Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:20 PM

      I'll give him 2 grades:

      Offense: A-

      Defense: C-

      Overall: B-

      His offensive game and efficiency are off the charts and is the prototype for the modern strategy of 3's, layups, free throws, and nothing inbetween. I give him the "minus" because of his habit of going iso, particularly late in games, which is inefficient and sets his teammates up for rushed shots late in the shot clock when he decides to pass. Also, he either lead or was one of the top 3 in turnovers per game, partly a reflection of his increased usage, but in many cases because of poor judgment.

      Defensively, we all know his deficiencies...going for steals and not chasing his man after failing to get those steals, getting beat on backdoor cuts to the hoop, etc. Zach Lowe consistently remarked on how poor Harden is on D and even went so far as to say this directly to Morey during a Grantland podcast. It's great to be a scoring a machine, but defense is 50% of the time spent on the floor. I don't believe Harden will ever be a stopper, but he can make incremental improvements and maybe considered average someday. Improving the overall team defense, or perhaps putting him on a weaker offensive player on defense to mask his deficiencies, might eventually be the way to go.

      Overall, acquiring Harden was the NBA transaction of the year. I would not say yet he is a HoF talent yet.
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        Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:41 PM

        Offense: A
        Defense: who cares

        Overall: A

        Harden provided more stats then the person he defended. Thus who cares what he gives up. If everyone does more then the person they guard, you win.
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        Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:28 PM

        Offense: A
        Defense: who cares

        Overall: A

        Harden provided more stats then the person he defended. Thus who cares what he gives up. If everyone does more then the person they guard, you win.

        agree with the grade, but I do care about defense :rolleyes: also lets not forget he is only 23............23..........twenty three. all stars go through an evolution just like any other young player. besides he played better defense during the playoffs which showed he is capable. harden has exceeded any reasonable expectation for his 1st season as alpha dog. I think he tired a little coming down to the end of the season, but he now understands what it takes to thrive in the league. I expect his second season will probably show us a more rounded star on both ends of the court.  


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        you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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          Posted 13 May 2013 - 05:49 PM

          I should grade on a curve and weigh his offensive grade heavier than his defensive grade. I'll give him a B+/A- instead of a B-. His importance on offense should be given a lot more weight. He's basically in the 2nd tier of great players with Westbrook and Carmello. He's a couple seasons away of continued development before he hits the "A+" stratosphere where Lebron, Chris Paul, DWade and Durant live.
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          Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:46 PM

          I should grade on a curve and weigh his offensive grade heavier than his defensive grade. I'll give him a B+/A- instead of a B-. His importance on offense should be given a lot more weight. He's basically in the 2nd tier of great players with Westbrook and Carmello. He's a couple seasons away of continued development before he hits the "A+" stratosphere where Lebron, Chris Paul, DWade and Durant live.

          just break down and give the man an A will ya :lol: you know he deserves it .......come on man! :rolleyes:


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          you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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            Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:17 PM

            No easy A's here... this isn't Sociology 101. This is Advanced NBA fan blogging 411.
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            Posted 14 May 2013 - 12:14 AM

            No easy A's here... this isn't Sociology 101. This is Advanced NBA fan blogging 411.

            Advanced NBA fan blogging 411 :lol: tuff to argue with that :lol: however I'm still not sold he should receive less than an A. I respect your opinion. but I think you are being a little harsh on harden :rolleyes:


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            you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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              Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:59 AM

              I think grading need to be taken into 2 looks though, expectation, and overall, most grades kinda mix the two and thus come up with iffy results, for example, if someone's signed for big money but merely plays decent, he probably end up getting a lower score than a cheap player who played as a decent reserve, when of course, in context without money, you surely still take the former guy.

               

              Having said that. Harden

               

              Versus Expectation: A+ , expectation were high, but he blew by even that without question.

               

              Overall : A- , as the OP noted very well. he scored amazingly, but the other side of the ball leaves something to be desired.


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              Posted 14 May 2013 - 12:05 PM

              He was my favorite player last season so my expectations were very high for him. I remember making a top 25 players list with a bunch of friends and not only was I the only one who ranked him in my top 25, I actually had him ranked 10th which my buddies thought was ridiculous especially considering how poorly he played in the finals--something I disregarded because it was a small sample of games, and plenty of great players have played poorly in the playoffs during their early years (Some people might not remember this because Lakers won, but Kobe was horrible in the 2000 finals). Several weeks later Harden was in a Rockets uniform putting up the type of numbers you would expect from a pissed off Kobe Bryant in his prime, and suddenly I didn't look so crazy after all.  

               
              I actually expected Harden to be a better defender, he certainly was in college, and I never noticed his defensive short comings in OKC. I also thought he would be better in late game situations because he often finished games with the ball in his hands even in OKC, and I thought to myself "wow, if they're choosing to put the ball in Harden's hands over Durant's hands to finish the game then that's really saying something". 
               
              In hindsight, I think my expectations were too high, I underestimated the drawbacks of bigger minutes and a bigger role, maybe I thought Harden would overcome those drawbacks because he's still young. However, if I'm being perfectly honest, I can't say he met my high expectations. 
               
              -A
               
              And my expectations for next season will be even higher, I think he can lead the league in scoring or at least come second to only Durant, and I expect defensive improvement and late game improvement. I guess I'm making it almost impossible for Harden to get an A+ in my eyes, but it's not like impossible hasn't been done before. 
               
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              Posted 14 May 2013 - 03:36 PM

              I'm withholding my grade for Harden.  I feel like the voice of dissension, but I have a lot of concerns about his game--aside from the defense.

               

              My biggest concern is his fg%.  There were far too many sub-standard shooting performances last year.  If memory serves, it was roughly 1 out of three games that he shot below 40%.  For our leader, that is not good.  We are relying on him night in and night out.  The occasional bad game is to be expected, but there were far too many.  I'm willing to concede every excuse that can be made--which is why I am waiting.  If this problem doesn't shift towards the positive next year then I think we have to re-evaluate Mr. Harden.

               

              I have faith that things will turn for the better, but I also see a huge underlying problem with those 5-17 shooting performances.  In fairness, our offensive system didn't do much to help once defenses keyed into what we were doing and set out to stop it--there just didn't seem to be a back-up plan.


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              Posted 14 May 2013 - 04:30 PM

              Generally speaking, guys who take a ton of threes are going to have a lower fg% than guys who don't. Kobe Bryant has posted a similar fg% several times, but not once has he ever posted as high of a TS% as Harden does (yes Harden gets to the line alot but so did Kobe in his prime). If efficiency is what you're worried about, I say cast your worries away because we have the most efficient starting shooting guard in the league and he hasn't even hit his prime yet. 

               

              The biggest concern we should have in Harden's game is his defense--hands down. He posted a much lower DRAPM than any of his team mates, and the team allows 4.2 points more (per 100 possessions according to 82games.com) while Harden is on the floor. Those are similar measures, I'm guessing you hate them both but I believe they paint an accurate picture in this case. If he just played average defense we could be at least a few points better per game, and that would help us more than upping his fg% from 43% to possibly 47% by shooting less threes. Call me crazy, but if he played just slightly above average defense I would be calling him a top 5 player already. 


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              Posted 14 May 2013 - 05:45 PM

              Generally speaking, guys who take a ton of threes are going to have a lower fg% than guys who don't. Kobe Bryant has posted a similar fg% several times, but not once has he ever posted as high of a TS% as Harden does (yes Harden gets to the line alot but so did Kobe in his prime). If efficiency is what you're worried about, I say cast your worries away because we have the most efficient starting shooting guard in the league and he hasn't even hit his prime yet. 

               

              The biggest concern we should have in Harden's game is his defense--hands down. He posted a much lower DRAPM than any of his team mates, and the team allows 4.2 points more (per 100 possessions according to 82games.com) while Harden is on the floor. Those are similar measures, I'm guessing you hate them both but I believe they paint an accurate picture in this case. If he just played average defense we could be at least a few points better per game, and that would help us more than upping his fg% from 43% to possibly 47% by shooting less threes. Call me crazy, but if he played just slightly above average defense I would be calling him a top 5 player already. 

              totally agree. I keep saying it, nobody hears me.....the man is 23. he will evolve like all other young players. is parsons a better player now than he was in his rookie year? it's a process. very few stars come into the league like LeBron. even durrant took time to refine his game. (IMO) harden is already the best 2 guard in the league. he's a star right now. the next step is superstar. he has the talent and drive to reach it, but must be given the time to develop.


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              you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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              Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:33 PM

              LOL, RBF--you can't take credit for everything :lol:

               

              I agree that he is developing.  It's just my opinion that relying on referees to call fouls (especially when you are gaining a rep for said procedure) is a slippery slope.  I understand that shooting more threes will dip your fg%.  It's not the overall I am looking at.  It's the craziness of it.  Even deducting his 3 point shots from his totals results in a very high number of sub-par shooting performances.  I am talking about consistency in shooting the ball--no more, no less.  His threes and frees are not at issue right now.  I want him to be a little better from the floor and then I think he can legitimately carry the tag of best SG in the league.

               

              Think of it this way--if he did post a consistent and respectable fg% while maintaining his 3 pt. shooting and the volume of free throws we'd easily be looking at a guy scoring 30+ per game.  I am excited and curious to see how things go...


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              Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:52 PM

              He's already the most efficient starting SG in the league though. If he took the same amount of shots as Kobe did in Kobe's prime then he would already be a 30+ scorer, and I'm not sure that would be a good thing. 


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              Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:46 PM

              You're ignoring the point--I'm not talking TS% or EFG%.  If you want to ignore the fact that our starting, max-paid SG is not a consistent shooter that's fine.  For me, that is cause for concern.  Again, he is young (albeit entering his 5th year) so I am willing to wait another season to see improvement.  Am I the only person here who thinks a max-paid SG should make more of his shots???? :blink:


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              Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:04 PM

              I'm not sure if I'm missing your point or if you're not seeing my perspective, but let me put it this way:

               

              Harden at age 23 needed 17 shots (or 22 shots if you count the free throws) to score 26 points.

               

              Kobe at age 23 needed 20 shots (or 23 if you include the free throws) to 25.2 points.

               

              Questions:

              1. Do you see Kobe's efficiency there as cause for concern aswell?
              2. Isn't every point Harden scores just as valuable as every point Kobe scores regardless of the method that point was scored? 
              3. Why does it matter which area of the floor those points are coming from?

              Just so you know, these questions aren't rhetorical even though they might shed my perspective, your answers might help me understand your perspective a little better too. 


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              Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:45 PM

              LOL, RBF--you can't take credit for everything :lol:

               

              I agree that he is developing.  It's just my opinion that relying on referees to call fouls (especially when you are gaining a rep for said procedure) is a slippery slope.  I understand that shooting more threes will dip your fg%.  It's not the overall I am looking at.  It's the craziness of it.  Even deducting his 3 point shots from his totals results in a very high number of sub-par shooting performances.  I am talking about consistency in shooting the ball--no more, no less.  His threes and frees are not at issue right now.  I want him to be a little better from the floor and then I think he can legitimately carry the tag of best SG in the league.

               

              Think of it this way--if he did post a consistent and respectable fg% while maintaining his 3 pt. shooting and the volume of free throws we'd easily be looking at a guy scoring 30+ per game.  I am excited and curious to see how things go...

              I didn't take credit for anything....my only point is I think you guys are being a little harsh on harden considering it was his 1st year in his present role. if I took time I could find fault in any players game. nobody's perfect. harden did enough this year to warrant a pat on the back, not a kick in the pants. just sounds like you guys are nitpicking the man's game without considering all the fact that go into the puzzle


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              Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:02 AM

              Harden gets an A+ from me on offense for the year relative to what I expected from him. He gets a HUGE F for his defense. But his offense obviously outweighs his defense so I would have to give him a solid B overall. I disagree that we can't point out his flaws. Do we want to be stuck with the next Stat, Nash, Melo(pre Woodson), etcetera... No. We want a Wade, James, Jordan, Duncan type 2 way player. If its wrong to want a player to "try" on defense, then there is a disconnect between us that can never be removed.
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              Why so Serious? :D


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              Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:58 AM

              I see and understand what everyone is saying.  I'm surprised that no one else finds concern in the area that I do.  I already conceded that Harden did great.  My point has been stated--if it is not hitting home so be it.

               

              I get that there is a shift occurring in how a player's scoring is viewed.  That's fine.  That player is one rule change away from being relegated back to average--ask Kevin Martin.  He was brought in for the same reason Harden was--efficient scorer due to his high number of fouls drawn and good ft% (I believe he also led the league in "and-1's").  The rules changed, he stopped getting foul calls and he was not nearly as effective ever after.  This is James Harden, potentially.  Take away the free throws and....uh-oh!

               

              I don't think it's nit-picking to want my SG to shoot well.  Perhaps we should change his position to scoring guard....that suits him better.


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