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@  thejohnnygold : (31 October 2014 - 08:46 PM) Don't get me wrong. Durant can come on over if he wants to. I'm not turning that down ever. He's just moved to my #2 slot now.
@  Mario Pena (... : (31 October 2014 - 08:38 PM) Hey, Davis would be nice too. I just see the Durant and Harden connection as something that gives Morey somewhere to work from.
@  thejohnnygold : (31 October 2014 - 06:13 PM) I've left the Durant Dream...I'm all aboard the Anthony Davis Express. Morey should get a tattoo of Davis' face on his shoulder and tweet a pic of it to him--as an early recruiting pitch.
@  Mario Pena (... : (31 October 2014 - 12:57 PM) More fuel for the Durant dream.
@  jorgeaam : (31 October 2014 - 06:18 AM) It seems injuries will be the main thing this year again
@  thenit : (31 October 2014 - 04:09 AM) Good news for us. Westbrook out with a hand injury. No Reggie Jackson either. We might get a nice cushion on OKC
@  Cooper : (31 October 2014 - 02:44 AM) Their team d leaves a lot to be desired, bench play was poor as well it is early but the knicks aren't good at all.
@  Mario Pena (... : (31 October 2014 - 02:35 AM) Love's defense on that JR Smith drive was laughable.
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 05:32 PM) yeah...but canaan was playing garbage time...and our guys were not playing well in it, went from 30 point lead to finish margin the 4th. so more like cannan even, bev plus 19, still bev >
@  SadLakerFan : (30 October 2014 - 04:47 AM) Realize that +/- isn't the best stat, but Bev +19 and Canaan -12?
@  thenit : (30 October 2014 - 03:50 AM) Westbrook will lead the league in scoring. Everything is going through him his usage rate must be like 50%
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 03:02 AM) bev just pulled up lame, not good.
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 02:56 AM) omg...harden just got a call out on good d by a jazz announcers!!!!
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 02:56 AM) i've been maintaining the idea ariza vs parsons is a wash, and i think terry makes less mistakes than our guys last year, so he might not bring as much but doesn't take as much away either
@  Fury : (30 October 2014 - 02:54 AM) Maybe losing Chandler isn't quite the problem that the media think it is. We have talent at the top. Depth helps.
@  Fury : (30 October 2014 - 02:54 AM) Maybe it's just me, but I think we're deeper at wing with Ariza/Terry.
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 02:42 AM) maybe silver said something to ;em
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 02:42 AM) yeah....seems like they finally figured it out tho.
@  2016Champions : (30 October 2014 - 01:54 AM) Then he said out of Greece and I put two and two together.
@  2016Champions : (30 October 2014 - 01:53 AM) DMo has black hair now? Hmm..

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Recap: Houston Rockets 101, Boston Celtics 89


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#1 Red94

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:57 AM

New post: Recap: Houston Rockets 101, Boston Celtics 89
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#2 Red94

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:11 PM

New post: [video] Kevin Garnett and Kevin McHale embrace post-game, Friday
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#3 Bigtkirk

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:58 PM

Inasmuch as Delfino and Cook are providing well below-replacement level performance at the backup wing positions, I'm wondering when Morey is going to make a deal to bring in some wing help?
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 03:52 PM

Greg Smith is continuing to play excellently, which is very good news. His post defence has looked solid, and he is doing a great job of exploiting the lack of attention other teams are paying him on offence. At some point, teams are going to realise that if you over help on penetration by Lin/Harden he's going to make you pay, but until then he can continue to pick his spot on the baseline and wait for the uncontested route to the basket that inevitably opens up for him. His great hands make it a lot easier for the ball handler in these situations because they don't have to be as precise on the pass. And if teams do get wise to this then it should make things easier for drivers to get to the rim, which is a nice bonus.

He also showed glimpses of something beyond the dunks/layups/tip-ins he's been getting his points off so far. There was a nice hook shot in the post and even an outside jumper with the shot clock running down that went in! Remains to be seen if he'll be able to develop those into something reliable, but by all accounts he's a hard worker so I don't see why not. Looking forward to watching him continue to develop.

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#5 Johnny Rocket

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:47 PM

I couldn't agree more with Sir Thursday. Smith's emergence is one of the most important developments for the Rockets this season; essentially, he's the rookie we've all been waiting for. As his game becomes more refined, Smith has the opportunity to become a truely skilled big man, which is a very rare commodity. And his story shows the virtues of patience in player development--allowing guys to come around with practice and hard work ( Smith hardly played last year) is absolutely a viable strategy.
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:12 PM

JLin did his job, first half his stats were similar to Rondo's, each had 7 assists. Lin for the game had only 3 TOs, Rondo had 7 TOs, Lin also blocked Rondo's shots. Yes he didn't score a lot of points, but he didn't even play the 4th quarter. Rondo thought he'd put up another triple double on him? I don't think so.
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:43 PM

Parsons was by far and away the best player on the court. 15/9/8 is an all star line if I have ever seen one. And it came against a very good Celtics defense. Parsons added a serious fake then drive to the basket move this summer, and as teams have to scheme for him the offense will open up for other players. Including Harden.
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:00 PM

An interesting note on Greg Smith, he has enormous hands that are one foot wide... No, I am not exaggerating. This quote is from DX, draft express:

May 21, 2011
We made a note in our recent west coast workout report about just how big Greg Smith's hands are. Upon further review at the combine, his hands are one-foot wide, easily the top mark we've seen since the combine began measuring hands. This quantifies the way Smith (6-8 without shoes, 7-2 ½ wingspan, 252 pounds) can routinely snatch the ball out of mid-air and palm it away from his body.
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From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpr...m#ixzz2F91Rzbou
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In addition, beyond his barefoot measurement of 6' 8.5", his standing height with arms raised is only one inch short of 9'. In other words, he is a very big man...
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:15 PM

I'm going to write something extensive on Smith pretty soon.

But...does anyone know how this guy went undrafted? Bigs who are just as raw and even much rawer, with lesser phsyical attributes routinely get picked in the top 10 on potential alone (Jordan Hill anyone?). How in the world did this guy not even get a look at the bottom of the round? At that size? Was there an attitude issue or something?
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:29 PM

This article may explain why he was not as highly regarded as he should have been, http://www.hoopsworl...hysical-center/ . Basically, it says that he was inconsistent in his 2nd year at Fresno. However, it also displays a lot of moxie in Greg's attitude that he should be believed when he says that he has changed... Personally, I really like his attitude and determination to succeed.
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#11 Mario Pena (FSS)

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 08:07 PM

I read something or saw video of him awhile back that during his second year at Fresno he really matured as an individual. Since that time he has dedicated his life to physical training and basketball with his ultimate goal to become an NBA player in the mold of Tim Duncan (not going to happen) and Amare Stoudemire (probably not going to happen but more likely without the mid range shot and better defense). I think Smith could fill a role similar to the one Taj Gibson fills in Chicago. Perhaps in a couple years Smith could be a formidable back up and part of a high energy athletic platoon of bigs (with the exception of Asik of course) for the Rockets.
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 10:36 PM

Also, here's an anecdote which illustrates something we Rockets/NBA diehards may from time to time. As the game was getting ready to start, the tender of the bar I was at (I don't have ESPN. Chilling, I know.) noted that he was a Celtics fan. Then he looked over and with a start asked me, "The Rockets have Harden now?" I said yes, a smile in my heart. Another moment of reflection on the game, and he saw Lin in the lineup. "They have that guy from New York, too?" He asked, shocked, "Go Rockets!"

It was a strange and enjoyable moment. While we can debate the marginal utility and skill of Lin, Harden, etc until we die of exhaustion (and we will), the average watcher of nationally televised games is more excited now about the Rockets than in years. Lin and Harden bring relevance and excitement, and I think it's easy to forget that those are good and useful traits to have. I for one welcome our bandwagoners. They'll soon learn to love Parsons and Asik and Patterson, too.
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 10:52 PM

seeing Garnett and McHale embrace like that was powerful. one of the most genuine moments in sports i've ever seen.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:20 AM

I remember reading a few things about Smith that said if he had stayed another year in school he would definitely have been drafted. They reckoned with the extra year of refinement he would have been more appealing to NBA teams. Which is an interesting dilemma because of how strongly correlated draft position is with age. If Bradley Beal was 22, he would not have been taken with the 3rd overall pick, and if Chandler Parsons had been 19 he would have gone near the top of the class. And based on that, you would have thought that the younger the better as far as the NBA was concerned. Obviously Smith was banking on that but the rest of the league disagreed. If teams were wanting him to stay, they must have expected that he would be gaining something from another year of college ball, but it seems that the D-League has provided a similar function for him. Now he's getting minutes in the first team, which should aid his development a lot more.

Hopefully he can keep it up! We've been seeing unfortunate regression from Morris recently, so let's hope that Smith doesn't follow the same trajectory. Obviously we can expect some inconsistency from these young guys, but it would be nice not to have overly prolonged slumps...

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:38 AM

One other interesting fact about Smith (before I go off and start the Greg Smith fan club): he's shooting 78 percent from the line. Last year and in college, he shot free throws at around 50 percent--obviously not good. Now he's shooting at a 78 percent clip, which is very good for a big man. That's such a huge improvement I wonder if it is a statistical abberation (he's only had 41 attempts this year), but even if he falls to the 70-65 percent range, that's still acceptable. Such a dramatic improvement is pretty rare--or is it more common than I realize?
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:53 AM

One other interesting fact about Smith (before I go off and start the Greg Smith fan club): he's shooting 78 percent from the line. Last year and in college, he shot free throws at around 50 percent--obviously not good. Now he's shooting at a 78 percent clip, which is very good for a big man. That's such a huge improvement I wonder if it is a statistical abberation (he's only had 41 attempts this year), but even if he falls to the 70-65 percent range, that's still acceptable. Such a dramatic improvement is pretty rare--or is it more common than I realize?


From the little I have read about Smith I would have to guess he is improving from the line through practice and hard work and if that is so that is great because you can't really teach desire and work ethic.You should totally start the Greg Smith Fan Club, I can sense your excitement in your posts about him.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:17 AM

Reasons why Greg Smith wasn't drafted:

His numbers was mediocre in a non-major conference for a school that had a mediocre record, averaging only 11 and 8, and that's after he average 11 and 5 freshman year with Paul George on the same team. He was often inconsistent at Fresno State. Odds of being drafted are usually stacked against non-major players if they don't turn in a impressive performance. He wasn't even invited to the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament, where a lot of productive 2nd round players/undrafted player are scouted(for example, Chuck Hayes, Jeremy Lin, Chandler Parsons, Carl Landry), so he was essentially un-scouted. He also measured out shorter than expected at 6-8 without shoes despite giant hands.

He came out a year after a lot of teams has drafted their center projects and unlikely to add another raw frontcourt project the year immediately follow. Udoh, Brackins, Sanders, Orton, Aldrich, Pittman, Whiteside, Soloman Alabi, Kévin Séraphin all were drafted the previous year. Not to mention the same year, Jeremy Tyler and Keith Benson were the popular center projects because both has impressive physical measurement.

Basically, he was barely on scouts' radar, he didn't have the numbers to be found via statistical methods, and raw centers were a bit out of style
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:59 PM

I didn't realize Smith's hands were THAT big. I guess you can still shoot free throws with massive hands though. Mid 70's is a decent average for a center.
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