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@  txtdo1411 : (05 March 2015 - 06:34 PM) Anybody else think it's funny that Harden gets all this flak for "baiting" officials, yet Westbrook only averages 0.3 less FTA per game and you never hear one word about it? Is it because Westbrook is typically making "wow" plays when he doesn't get fouled? Even if he goes to the line 20 times (like last night), he still has a play or two that just make your jaw drop.
@  txtdo1411 : (05 March 2015 - 06:28 PM) I feel like he's definitely gaining the most publicity at the moment. It just depends on what voters care about. Their record won't be great, and his fg percentages are pretty atrocious, so it depends on how much weight they put into that.
@  majik19 : (05 March 2015 - 03:36 PM) Is anyone else thinking that Westbrook is taking over the MVP conversation...? I know Harden has played ~15 more games... but by the end of the season, that won't be too significant
@  thejohnnygold : (05 March 2015 - 06:13 AM) NBA.com publishes them....they take a little time
@  TTrainW : (05 March 2015 - 03:17 AM) @JG where do you get the ref reports after games?
@  thejohnnygold : (04 March 2015 - 02:25 PM) @Yaoman--I guess it's whatever you want to be worried about. One loss is a 1/2 game move in the standings--not a full point. Head to head is a full point. Further, divisional records come into play for tiebreakers and such. I was never endorsing skipping ATL--why would we do that? Besides, is there really much benefit to moving to the 2 seed? The 4 seed? I forget who it was, but I agree that keeping the 3rd is ideal as it prolongs any chance of seeing GSW the longest.
@  King's G... : (04 March 2015 - 10:34 AM) @cooper we couldnt closed even when Harden played in the first game
@  King's G... : (04 March 2015 - 09:56 AM) nice game were equally good with or without Harden and dwight
@  TTrainW : (04 March 2015 - 03:29 AM) passing was just really sloppy. there were some times where we tried to get it to the post to run a play but the passing just wasn't crisp or on point.
@  Mario Peña : (04 March 2015 - 03:14 AM) Good first 40 minutes and hopefully these rotation players have learned something about crunch time execution and effort.
@  Cooper : (04 March 2015 - 02:51 AM) can't close without harden.
@  TTrainW : (04 March 2015 - 02:37 AM) intensity
@  jorgeaam : (04 March 2015 - 02:34 AM) BENCH JOSH SMITH NOW!!!
@  jorgeaam : (04 March 2015 - 02:30 AM) Ok, let's stop running the offense through Josh Smith now
@  thenit : (04 March 2015 - 01:31 AM) DMo on pace for a quad double
@  TTrainW : (04 March 2015 - 01:25 AM) this game is pretty encouraging
@  jorgeaam : (04 March 2015 - 12:55 AM) I like the ball movement the first unit is showing without Harden, it seems everybody is touching the ball
@  YaoMan : (03 March 2015 - 11:33 PM) Corey is brewing up a storm tonight! And TJ is going to grab 15 boards and block 5 shots!
@  Losthief : (03 March 2015 - 11:31 PM) joke...pfft...it's the expectation lol!
@  Sir Thursday : (03 March 2015 - 11:23 PM) Oh wait, just saw cointurtlemoose already made that joke.

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Recap: Houston Rockets 101, Boston Celtics 89


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#1 Red94

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:57 AM

New post: Recap: Houston Rockets 101, Boston Celtics 89
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#2 Red94

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:11 PM

New post: [video] Kevin Garnett and Kevin McHale embrace post-game, Friday
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 02:58 PM

Inasmuch as Delfino and Cook are providing well below-replacement level performance at the backup wing positions, I'm wondering when Morey is going to make a deal to bring in some wing help?
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 03:52 PM

Greg Smith is continuing to play excellently, which is very good news. His post defence has looked solid, and he is doing a great job of exploiting the lack of attention other teams are paying him on offence. At some point, teams are going to realise that if you over help on penetration by Lin/Harden he's going to make you pay, but until then he can continue to pick his spot on the baseline and wait for the uncontested route to the basket that inevitably opens up for him. His great hands make it a lot easier for the ball handler in these situations because they don't have to be as precise on the pass. And if teams do get wise to this then it should make things easier for drivers to get to the rim, which is a nice bonus.

He also showed glimpses of something beyond the dunks/layups/tip-ins he's been getting his points off so far. There was a nice hook shot in the post and even an outside jumper with the shot clock running down that went in! Remains to be seen if he'll be able to develop those into something reliable, but by all accounts he's a hard worker so I don't see why not. Looking forward to watching him continue to develop.

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#5 Johnny Rocket

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:47 PM

I couldn't agree more with Sir Thursday. Smith's emergence is one of the most important developments for the Rockets this season; essentially, he's the rookie we've all been waiting for. As his game becomes more refined, Smith has the opportunity to become a truely skilled big man, which is a very rare commodity. And his story shows the virtues of patience in player development--allowing guys to come around with practice and hard work ( Smith hardly played last year) is absolutely a viable strategy.
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:12 PM

JLin did his job, first half his stats were similar to Rondo's, each had 7 assists. Lin for the game had only 3 TOs, Rondo had 7 TOs, Lin also blocked Rondo's shots. Yes he didn't score a lot of points, but he didn't even play the 4th quarter. Rondo thought he'd put up another triple double on him? I don't think so.
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 05:43 PM

Parsons was by far and away the best player on the court. 15/9/8 is an all star line if I have ever seen one. And it came against a very good Celtics defense. Parsons added a serious fake then drive to the basket move this summer, and as teams have to scheme for him the offense will open up for other players. Including Harden.
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:00 PM

An interesting note on Greg Smith, he has enormous hands that are one foot wide... No, I am not exaggerating. This quote is from DX, draft express:

May 21, 2011
We made a note in our recent west coast workout report about just how big Greg Smith's hands are. Upon further review at the combine, his hands are one-foot wide, easily the top mark we've seen since the combine began measuring hands. This quantifies the way Smith (6-8 without shoes, 7-2 ½ wingspan, 252 pounds) can routinely snatch the ball out of mid-air and palm it away from his body.
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From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpr...m#ixzz2F91Rzbou
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In addition, beyond his barefoot measurement of 6' 8.5", his standing height with arms raised is only one inch short of 9'. In other words, he is a very big man...
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:15 PM

I'm going to write something extensive on Smith pretty soon.

But...does anyone know how this guy went undrafted? Bigs who are just as raw and even much rawer, with lesser phsyical attributes routinely get picked in the top 10 on potential alone (Jordan Hill anyone?). How in the world did this guy not even get a look at the bottom of the round? At that size? Was there an attitude issue or something?
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 06:29 PM

This article may explain why he was not as highly regarded as he should have been, http://www.hoopsworl...hysical-center/ . Basically, it says that he was inconsistent in his 2nd year at Fresno. However, it also displays a lot of moxie in Greg's attitude that he should be believed when he says that he has changed... Personally, I really like his attitude and determination to succeed.
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 08:07 PM

I read something or saw video of him awhile back that during his second year at Fresno he really matured as an individual. Since that time he has dedicated his life to physical training and basketball with his ultimate goal to become an NBA player in the mold of Tim Duncan (not going to happen) and Amare Stoudemire (probably not going to happen but more likely without the mid range shot and better defense). I think Smith could fill a role similar to the one Taj Gibson fills in Chicago. Perhaps in a couple years Smith could be a formidable back up and part of a high energy athletic platoon of bigs (with the exception of Asik of course) for the Rockets.
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 10:36 PM

Also, here's an anecdote which illustrates something we Rockets/NBA diehards may from time to time. As the game was getting ready to start, the tender of the bar I was at (I don't have ESPN. Chilling, I know.) noted that he was a Celtics fan. Then he looked over and with a start asked me, "The Rockets have Harden now?" I said yes, a smile in my heart. Another moment of reflection on the game, and he saw Lin in the lineup. "They have that guy from New York, too?" He asked, shocked, "Go Rockets!"

It was a strange and enjoyable moment. While we can debate the marginal utility and skill of Lin, Harden, etc until we die of exhaustion (and we will), the average watcher of nationally televised games is more excited now about the Rockets than in years. Lin and Harden bring relevance and excitement, and I think it's easy to forget that those are good and useful traits to have. I for one welcome our bandwagoners. They'll soon learn to love Parsons and Asik and Patterson, too.
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Posted 15 December 2012 - 10:52 PM

seeing Garnett and McHale embrace like that was powerful. one of the most genuine moments in sports i've ever seen.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:20 AM

I remember reading a few things about Smith that said if he had stayed another year in school he would definitely have been drafted. They reckoned with the extra year of refinement he would have been more appealing to NBA teams. Which is an interesting dilemma because of how strongly correlated draft position is with age. If Bradley Beal was 22, he would not have been taken with the 3rd overall pick, and if Chandler Parsons had been 19 he would have gone near the top of the class. And based on that, you would have thought that the younger the better as far as the NBA was concerned. Obviously Smith was banking on that but the rest of the league disagreed. If teams were wanting him to stay, they must have expected that he would be gaining something from another year of college ball, but it seems that the D-League has provided a similar function for him. Now he's getting minutes in the first team, which should aid his development a lot more.

Hopefully he can keep it up! We've been seeing unfortunate regression from Morris recently, so let's hope that Smith doesn't follow the same trajectory. Obviously we can expect some inconsistency from these young guys, but it would be nice not to have overly prolonged slumps...

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:38 AM

One other interesting fact about Smith (before I go off and start the Greg Smith fan club): he's shooting 78 percent from the line. Last year and in college, he shot free throws at around 50 percent--obviously not good. Now he's shooting at a 78 percent clip, which is very good for a big man. That's such a huge improvement I wonder if it is a statistical abberation (he's only had 41 attempts this year), but even if he falls to the 70-65 percent range, that's still acceptable. Such a dramatic improvement is pretty rare--or is it more common than I realize?
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:53 AM

One other interesting fact about Smith (before I go off and start the Greg Smith fan club): he's shooting 78 percent from the line. Last year and in college, he shot free throws at around 50 percent--obviously not good. Now he's shooting at a 78 percent clip, which is very good for a big man. That's such a huge improvement I wonder if it is a statistical abberation (he's only had 41 attempts this year), but even if he falls to the 70-65 percent range, that's still acceptable. Such a dramatic improvement is pretty rare--or is it more common than I realize?


From the little I have read about Smith I would have to guess he is improving from the line through practice and hard work and if that is so that is great because you can't really teach desire and work ethic.You should totally start the Greg Smith Fan Club, I can sense your excitement in your posts about him.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:17 AM

Reasons why Greg Smith wasn't drafted:

His numbers was mediocre in a non-major conference for a school that had a mediocre record, averaging only 11 and 8, and that's after he average 11 and 5 freshman year with Paul George on the same team. He was often inconsistent at Fresno State. Odds of being drafted are usually stacked against non-major players if they don't turn in a impressive performance. He wasn't even invited to the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament, where a lot of productive 2nd round players/undrafted player are scouted(for example, Chuck Hayes, Jeremy Lin, Chandler Parsons, Carl Landry), so he was essentially un-scouted. He also measured out shorter than expected at 6-8 without shoes despite giant hands.

He came out a year after a lot of teams has drafted their center projects and unlikely to add another raw frontcourt project the year immediately follow. Udoh, Brackins, Sanders, Orton, Aldrich, Pittman, Whiteside, Soloman Alabi, Kévin Séraphin all were drafted the previous year. Not to mention the same year, Jeremy Tyler and Keith Benson were the popular center projects because both has impressive physical measurement.

Basically, he was barely on scouts' radar, he didn't have the numbers to be found via statistical methods, and raw centers were a bit out of style
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 07:59 PM

I didn't realize Smith's hands were THAT big. I guess you can still shoot free throws with massive hands though. Mid 70's is a decent average for a center.
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