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@  thejohnnygold : (31 October 2014 - 08:46 PM) Don't get me wrong. Durant can come on over if he wants to. I'm not turning that down ever. He's just moved to my #2 slot now.
@  Mario Pena (... : (31 October 2014 - 08:38 PM) Hey, Davis would be nice too. I just see the Durant and Harden connection as something that gives Morey somewhere to work from.
@  thejohnnygold : (31 October 2014 - 06:13 PM) I've left the Durant Dream...I'm all aboard the Anthony Davis Express. Morey should get a tattoo of Davis' face on his shoulder and tweet a pic of it to him--as an early recruiting pitch.
@  Mario Pena (... : (31 October 2014 - 12:57 PM) More fuel for the Durant dream.
@  jorgeaam : (31 October 2014 - 06:18 AM) It seems injuries will be the main thing this year again
@  thenit : (31 October 2014 - 04:09 AM) Good news for us. Westbrook out with a hand injury. No Reggie Jackson either. We might get a nice cushion on OKC
@  Cooper : (31 October 2014 - 02:44 AM) Their team d leaves a lot to be desired, bench play was poor as well it is early but the knicks aren't good at all.
@  Mario Pena (... : (31 October 2014 - 02:35 AM) Love's defense on that JR Smith drive was laughable.
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 05:32 PM) yeah...but canaan was playing garbage time...and our guys were not playing well in it, went from 30 point lead to finish margin the 4th. so more like cannan even, bev plus 19, still bev >
@  SadLakerFan : (30 October 2014 - 04:47 AM) Realize that +/- isn't the best stat, but Bev +19 and Canaan -12?
@  thenit : (30 October 2014 - 03:50 AM) Westbrook will lead the league in scoring. Everything is going through him his usage rate must be like 50%
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 03:02 AM) bev just pulled up lame, not good.
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 02:56 AM) omg...harden just got a call out on good d by a jazz announcers!!!!
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 02:56 AM) i've been maintaining the idea ariza vs parsons is a wash, and i think terry makes less mistakes than our guys last year, so he might not bring as much but doesn't take as much away either
@  Fury : (30 October 2014 - 02:54 AM) Maybe losing Chandler isn't quite the problem that the media think it is. We have talent at the top. Depth helps.
@  Fury : (30 October 2014 - 02:54 AM) Maybe it's just me, but I think we're deeper at wing with Ariza/Terry.
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 02:42 AM) maybe silver said something to ;em
@  Losthief : (30 October 2014 - 02:42 AM) yeah....seems like they finally figured it out tho.
@  2016Champions : (30 October 2014 - 01:54 AM) Then he said out of Greece and I put two and two together.
@  2016Champions : (30 October 2014 - 01:53 AM) DMo has black hair now? Hmm..

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Recap: OKC Thunder 120, Houston Rockets 98


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#1 Red94

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:23 AM

New post: Recap: OKC Thunder 120, Houston Rockets 98
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#2 Johnny Rocket

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 05:50 AM

There was little doubt we would lose, but in some ways I was surprised that we had several chances to cut the lead to eight early in the 4th before losing steam. My major worry after this game is that a stronger, more physical team essentially man-handled our backcourt. This seems to be a persistent weakness with the Rockets, especially on the road, though Parson's absence made it worse.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:31 PM

What the hell has happened to Terrence Jones?
The aggressive dude from Pre-Season and his first couple of games? The one who was going to replace Pat any second?

In his brief 2Q stint he got the ball for a wide open 3,hesitated,dribbled a couple of steps in then made a pass that was easily picked off. Running back on D he seemed to think about going for the block,but stopped and the OKC player made an easy lay-up.
Somewhere Jones has gotten lost and he needs a major rehab to become a rotation player.
But there's some hope,in his second stint he was trailing Durant,stopped and went to cover an outside shooter before Durant made the pass. A nice basketball play.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 05:21 PM

Let me start off by saying that I'm a Lin fan and I had to listen to the game instead of watching the game because of block out rules with my mobile league pass but from what I could hear, it seems like Lin had a lot less touches in that game. And I see a concerted effort by Lin to take better shots and not force it. Harden is definitely a talented player but when it's not your night, I'd rather have him try to get his teammates going rather than play hero ball.
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Posted 29 November 2012 - 05:57 PM

As disappointing as it was to see Harden and Lin struggle, I think you have to blame the blowout on Parsons being out. He matched up with Durant really well last year, has been playing like a stud this month, and is worlds better than Replacement Player (aka Dequan Cook).
Not saying the Rockets would have won with Parsons in, but yet would have made it a game.
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#6 Sir Thursday

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 10:53 PM

As disappointing as it was to see Harden and Lin struggle, I think you have to blame the blowout on Parsons being out. He matched up with Durant really well last year, has been playing like a stud this month, and is worlds better than Replacement Player (aka Dequan Cook).
Not saying the Rockets would have won with Parsons in, but yet would have made it a game.


I agree with this, I think. Parsons being out really disrupts our rotations and there was absolutely nobody else who stood a chance against Durant (Morris was really struggling). If both he and Delfino are out for any stretch of time I would expect us to lose quite a few games.

The Rockets need to figure out a way to deal with these double teams they're throwing at Harden a bit better. It has been shown several times now that if you put a strong primary defender on him (Iguodala, Allen, Sefolosha) and trap him in the pick and roll he will struggle mightily. That's the scouting report on him now and until he or the team figures out how to get around this he's not going to be able to provide the offence we signed him for.

Loving the performance of Patterson and Asik over the past couple of games. They've been really solid and their combined offence has really been driving the team forwards. That was especially the case in this game with the backcourt misfiring. One of the OKC announcers called Asik 'The Big Eclipse' during the game. Not especially clear where that comes from ("MY REVERSE LAYUPS WILL BLOT OUT THE SUN!", maybe?), but it's a pretty awesome one.

Finally, I thought Daequan Cook played pretty well in his first chance to get some burn tonight. He made some threes, showed a vague semblance of a handle, and did the best he could when asked to check Durant (which admittedly, was never going to be enough to make much difference). He made a case for getting a few more minutes in the rotation when Parsons comes back. Dunno that there'll be room for him once Delfino is healthy too though.

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#7 Cooper

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 03:27 AM

Parsons is really the only guy on the team that can play the 3. With him it would have been closer but the thunder are just overall better and deeper. Harden couldn't do anything driving on thabo with ibaka/Durant/perkins waiting to help.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:56 PM

Despite Patterson's good game against OKC, my sense is that he is at best a backup PF. Although his offensive skills are improved this season, he appears to be a subpar defender and rebounder. And while his range has increased a bit this season, it is still not good enough to achieve the floor spacing in the half court that Harden and Lin need to maximize efficiency. It's time to start giving some of Patterson's minutes to Motiejunas and Jones and see what they bring to the table.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:26 PM

Despite Patterson's good game against OKC, my sense is that he is at best a backup PF. Although his offensive skills are improved this season, he appears to be a subpar defender and rebounder. And while his range has increased a bit this season, it is still not good enough to achieve the floor spacing in the half court that Harden and Lin need to maximize efficiency. It's time to start giving some of Patterson's minutes to Motiejunas and Jones and see what they bring to the table.


I don't understand people that are dissing Patrick Patterson this season. Last year, I can understand. This season, Patrick Patterson is a much improved player in my humble opinion. He does spread the floor with his much improved 3 point shooting (non-existant last season) and I was at the game the other night and saw him blow by Ed Davis and hammered it home. Is Patrick Patterson a one on one elite defender? Not really, but he knows his role in the team defensive scheme and is simply not a sieve on defense.

BTW, Jones is now back to the D-League so it doesn't look like he'll be replacing Pat anytime soon.

As a Rocket season ticket holder (since 2004-2005 and previously during the championship years), I WANT the Rockets to make it to the playoffs, that is why I buy season tickets!! Starting a rookie just for the sake of starting a rookie isn't gonna happen. IF T Jones or Motie or anyone else can prove they are a better player than Pat in practice and in the precious time they get in games (typically against other 2nd teamers by the way), then yes, that would be the time to consider making the move. As I have mentioned several times already on these boards I just don't see anyone knocking Patterson out of the starting lineup this season.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 01:20 AM

I don't have the stats, but I suspect that the Rockets have been a more efficient team during the time that Morris has been playing the PF this season rather than Patterson. The point is not that Patterson is a bad player. The point is that over-playing him may not maximize the efficiency of the team. My sense is that spreading some of his minutes to D Mo and Morris may end up increasing the Rockets' efficiency. Not certain, of course. But we pretty much know what we have in Patterson. Not so with Morris and D Mo.
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Posted 01 December 2012 - 01:52 AM

With Parsons and Delfino out it means Morris has to play more time at the three. That opens up some backup PF minutes for somebody. But whoever we put in a regular rotation spot has to be someone who is actually capable of holding it down. This is a young team where everybody is hungry for minutes, and IMO those minutes should go to the ones who are the most capable at the moment. Key to developing a good team is getting the internal culture right, and IMO meritocracy is the right way to go in that department.

After some promising minutes in his first few games, TJones has gone completely off the boil (he was awful in the last game when he played - hesitant and static), and it definitely makes sense to put him down in the D-League for a while. So perhaps D-Mo might be able to get himself a few spot minutes at the 4? We'll see. Does anyone know the status of Aldrich? He seemed to be in a suit against OKC. If Sampson decides he doesn't want to play D-Mo, then he'll have to either play small ball or slide Greg Smith over to the 4 and play Aldrich as a backup 5. The latter, of course, requires Aldrich to be healthy...

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:41 PM

Does anyone want to talk about how many shots Harden got blocked in this game? Does he just not do a good job protecting the ball or was it just the fact that OKC had his number? I've noticed he has had a good number of his shots blocked compared to other guys on the team. Any comments?
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:03 PM

Does anyone want to talk about how many shots Harden got blocked in this game? Does he just not do a good job protecting the ball or was it just the fact that OKC had his number? I've noticed he has had a good number of his shots blocked compared to other guys on the team. Any comments?


Harden tends to hold the ball out in front of him when he drives for layups to try and draw defenders into slapping at his arms in an attempt to strip the ball. The problem is that, well, sometimes they do manage to strip the ball. Furthermore, the OKC guys will be the most familiar with this tendency and have a good idea about where and when his point of release is going to be, and if you can predict that then the shot becomes a lot easier to block.

But generally I would agree it does feel like we get a lot of shots blocked, certainly more than we manage to repel ourselves. Part of this is that the Rockets do not really have an athletic shot-blocking frontline like a Denver or an OKC, so in comparison our percentage of shot blocked looks worse. The numbers bear this out - we are 25th in the league in blocked shot totals (not a particularly good measurement - I'd prefer to find a Block % stat, but not sure where to find that) and 24th in the league for opposition blocked shots.

Both Lin and Harden drive to the rim a lot, and on nights where they're a bit out of control and the opposition has someone waiting for them in the paint they are going to get rejected a fair bit. But IMO blocked shots are more morale sapping than they are actually damaging on the court - a lot depends on whether you can recover the ball after the block and get another shot in.

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