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@  feelingsuper... : (15 September 2014 - 09:01 PM) Okay, I may have been a little harsh down below in my earlier comments but at the very least I agree with Bird, Paul George's comments were thoughtless. Thanks for the link jorgeaam.
@  feelingsuper... : (15 September 2014 - 08:57 PM) Okay, I may have been a little harsh down below in my earlier comments but at the very least I agree with Bird, Paul George's comments were thoughtless. Thanks got the link jorgeaam.
@  jorgeaam : (15 September 2014 - 08:24 PM) Here's a link http://www.sbnation....mestic-violence
@  jorgeaam : (15 September 2014 - 08:23 PM) He made some comments about Ray Rice
@  Red94 : (15 September 2014 - 01:50 PM) WOJ just destroyed Coach K this morning.
@  Red94 : (15 September 2014 - 01:50 PM) FSS: what comments of George are you referring to?
@  rocketrick : (14 September 2014 - 12:41 PM) OK
@  thejohnnygold : (13 September 2014 - 03:43 PM) If anyone wants to discuss that please use the "Off-Topic" section of the forum. Thanks.
@  rocketrick : (13 September 2014 - 12:15 PM) Is Danny Ferry a "racist"??
@  feelingsuper... : (12 September 2014 - 02:42 PM) Kind of cool of Fran Fraschilla to acknowledge his false color commentary (on twitter today) during yesterdays game about what D-Mo jokingly said about Harden not eating with the team.
@  feelingsuper... : (11 September 2014 - 05:49 PM) After this morning Paul George doesn't look too good in the court of public opinion. He seems to come off more and more as a douchebag with very low ethical beliefs.
@  redfaithful : (10 September 2014 - 11:29 PM) Watching France dismantle the Spanish star squad, couldn't resist thanking Stern for cancelling the Pau trade - would have been very hard for me to root for him as a Rocket. So much better to have H&H.
@  thejohnnygold : (10 September 2014 - 04:06 PM) Whaaaaa....?
@  rocketrick : (10 September 2014 - 12:35 PM) So I've been watching Mike and Mike this morning for 2+ hours and still no mention whatsoever about USA Basketball and the FIBA Tournament. They did spend about 2 minutes on the Danny Ferry comment re: Luol Deng. Anyway, life goes on for us white folks............
@  Cooper : (08 September 2014 - 03:01 PM) His comments were dumb but not in sterling territory. Just flat out taking a 5-7 hundred million $ team from someone for that would be incredibly hard to justify.
@  rocketrick : (08 September 2014 - 12:12 PM) Another NBA Owner making thoughtless statements about race relations is selling their franchise and probably going to walk away with hundreds of millions of dollars in profit to boot. What else is new?
@  thejohnnygold : (03 September 2014 - 07:03 PM) I don't recall seeing any of that....most of us are excited about his experience and the praise he is drawing from well-respected coaches. Perhaps you're confusing us with another group?
@  bladad : (03 September 2014 - 03:11 PM) Sorry I didn't get super excited over assists and defensive ratings when it looks like the generals versus the globetrotters out there.
@  thejohnnygold : (02 September 2014 - 09:48 PM) @bladad--no, you are not the only one to recognize how different Team USA is from our own team. You are just the only one who saw fit to view it negatively.
@  rocketrick : (02 September 2014 - 05:11 PM) Just Wake Me Up in Mid-September when USA-Spain play for the 1-game Title....

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Kevin McHale might want to play some of those young guys.


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#1 Red94

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 04:10 PM

New post: Kevin McHale might want to play some of those young guys.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 04:30 PM

I think the reason Parsons got to play was because he has veteran qualities - so that was an anomaly. He didn't "get a chance" as a rookie to "learn and grow." He didn't need to grow - he played like a veteran.

I fear that the biggest obstacle standing in the way of this rebuilding project is McHale. I'm not sure he's the man for this job.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:02 PM

I'm willing to give McHale a few more games before a castigate him for not playing the young guys (and we should not forget that Morris IS a young guy, so it's not a betrayal of the philosophy if he plays ahead of the rookies IMO). It seems to me that he was trying out a small ball lineup with a floor spreading 4 (Morris), and he could afford to do that against the Pistons because they were starting Maxiell in that position, who is undersized enough that Morris stood a chance of defending him. As mentioned in the preview of tonight's game though, the Hawks will be playing Josh Smith at PF, who is a different proposition. Defending him will necessitate a big body, and I think that means McHale will have to call on some actual PFs to have a go.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 05:27 PM

McHale had an old school disposition where you have to earn your time. It works with some young teams as it places a lot of emphasis on accountability and keeps most of the mistakes on the practice floor away from too much criticism. But at some point you have to let your baby birds out of the nest. If White and Motie are still glued to the bench around game 20 I will be seriously disappointed. Can we keep calling White McHale's draft pick if McHale won't play him?
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 08:27 PM

I'm willing to give McHale a few more games before a castigate him for not playing the young guys (and we should not forget that Morris IS a young guy, so it's not a betrayal of the philosophy if he plays ahead of the rookies IMO). It seems to me that he was trying out a small ball lineup with a floor spreading 4 (Morris), and he could afford to do that against the Pistons because they were starting Maxiell in that position, who is undersized enough that Morris stood a chance of defending him. As mentioned in the preview of tonight's game though, the Hawks will be playing Josh Smith at PF, who is a different proposition. Defending him will necessitate a big body, and I think that means McHale will have to call on some actual PFs to have a go.

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100% agree. That might be a good plan, to variate the starting PF depending on the rival we are up against. We have lots of PF, but with a great variety of skillsets that could make our team really versatile. Most of the time Patterson will be the starting PF, and he should have been starting at Detroit if he wasn't injured, but in the course of games, we could go big or small, to the paint or the outside depending on the opposite PF. It would be amazing if properly developed
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 02:44 AM

It seems to me that McHale's philosophy is not to just give the most minutes to the guys with the most upside. He gives the minutes to the guys who have shown the greatest professionalism and dedication. It is very frustrating to watch as a fan, and may cost the players chances at the All-Rookie team honors that they would get on other teams, but it may be the best long-term development strategy for the Rockets. I don't like it, but I respect it.
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 05:23 AM

I felt like I was missing something when I read this post. McHale thus far has played Parsons (2nd year), Patterson (3rd year), Morris (2nd year), and G. Smith (2nd year) at the forward spots. Yes, he plays Delfino as well, but none of the rookies could possibly play back-up shooting guard. I guess he could play Machado for Douglas, but I'm not sure Machado's at all ready. I think McHale's message to the rookies is loud and clear: work hard, do the little things, and your time will come. The rookies can all see that Morris now has his chance after sitting last year.
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:30 PM

I actually totally support McHale's coaching philosophy. As if he needs it lol. The rookies are not guaranteed anything but a salary. PT must be earned. Morris and Patterson are seeing their minutes increased this year. When and if the rookies start schooling those two in practice, we will see them on the court. Until then the rookies will just have to learn an NBA work ethic. And McHale's approach is fair and open to all to see.
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 07:58 PM

I pretty much agree with sentiments expressed by Jeby, Johnny Rocket and NorEastern.

Speculation and playing laptop coach is just entertainment for fans that want to be that vested and sure that can be fun for some I am sure. Personally I am of the school of belief where a fan is a fan and a coach is a coach and a GM is a GM (Of course the reporters and analysis guys are the grey area.) and we all play our part. I have no problems with McHale's coaching style (or even someone like Doug Collins) and in fact I am against the type of approach you see in Sacramento where it is just a free for all, that is no way to build a winning culture. I hope the rookies understand they have to build a great work ethic and go above and beyond what is expected so that maybe they have a chance at cracking the rotation midway through the season. There are the games and then there is the other 90% of a player's professional basketball life which we as fans have no clue about. That 90% goes a long way to putting that player in a position to get on the court and have the coaching staffs' trust.

One could debate that perhaps these rookies build habits, regardless of whether they are part of the rotation, in their first season that influence the early part and perhaps the rest of their careers. Facilitating an environment where rookies build good habits are small blocks that go a long way toward building a winning culture.
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:48 PM

I don't like it, but we should've all expected it after last year. I'll be at the game tonight and really hope to see at least one of the rookies(Jones, White, Motie) get some time. Even if its garbage time the guys need NBA minutes to get anywhere.
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 10:54 PM

I have said it b4 and I still believe it (kevin mc hale is not a good coach), but on the subject of playing rookies I have to agree. rookies must earn playing time. chill out they will get their chances. the nba season is a marathon not a sprint. over time the cream will rise to the top. I agree with feelingsupersonic. a lot more goes into recieving playing time than what we as fans see.
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Posted 05 November 2012 - 09:41 PM

I think McHale has the ability to be a good coach, has just has the bad luck to follow Jeff van Gundy and Adelman... (can't believe I'm saying JVG was a good coach.) McHale's basketball knowledge is legitimate and he seems to be instilling his "you get what you earn" culture. Now that this team's ceiling is less defined we will find out if he can truly harness the full talent of his personnel.

On a somewhat related note his two press conferences after the Harden trade are the happiest I think I have ever seen him in Houston. Not that it has anything to do with his coaching ability. Just strange to see him not pissed about something.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 01:33 AM

Most of the time I agree with the writers of Red94. However I believe that you have overstepped the bounds of available public knowledge and even the whisper pipeline.

McHale is not a head coach sitting alone on the top of a mountain. He has some of the best assistant coaches in the NBA right now in Sal, Finch and Bickerstaff. In fact, he did not even get to choose them, the Rockets organization insisted he retain them.

McHale is also a great organization man, and has seen the insides of NBA teams for 30 years. You can bet that he easily reaches compromises with other people, because I do not believe that the Rockets organization would never have hired him he did not. He agonizes over every loss. He takes it personally. Isn't it much more likely that that stable of rookies is getting schooled in practice by Morris and Patterson? He proved last year with Parsons that if it means more wins, the best player plays. Do you think that if Bickerstaff and Finch walked into his office and told McHale the TJ means 5 wins a year that he would ignore them? To think so is without base and nothing other than pure idle speculation.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:01 AM

well put NorEastern
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 03:43 AM

I disagree. mchale knows about as much about coaching basketball as tiger woods. some mistake hanging around the nba for years as being good at it. not so. mc hale has FAILED every attempt to be in the front office or coach past teams to anything resembling a decent record. even when the team was in contention last year for a playoff spot he could not make adjustments to stop the spiral of loooooosing that ended the season. he is basicly learning on the fly. he may be a decent big man coach, but that does not equate to being a good all around coach. tell me.......how many years did he have in minny to put something meaningful on the floor? too many that's for sure. I don't trust him with this young team and neither do the rockets. that's why he had the other coaches already in place when he got here. he will be here for a couple more years and we will move on because he will not be able to keep this team playing at peak level. as for NorEastern's point that mc hale is a great organization man........on exactly what previous job did he demonstrate that ability? mc hale is simply the same thing delfino is a temporary stop gap filler until we find your replacement.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 03:54 AM

ive never supported mchale and i agree with a lot of what youre saying, RBF, but its tough to argue with what NorE pointed out. plus the thing that leaves me hoping for mchale to have some success is the simple fact that Les/Morey believe in him and hired him (unless he was simply a bridge to Finch).
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 03:58 AM

ive never supported mchale and i agree with a lot of what youre saying, RBF, but its tough to argue with what NorE pointed out. plus the thing that leaves me hoping for mchale to have some success is the simple fact that Les/Morey believe in him and hired him (unless he was simply a bridge to Finch).

don't get me wrong I want him to do well because I love the rockets, but I simply believe he is like you said..... a bridge to finch
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 06:05 AM

mchale almost got a team to the playoffs that were over achieving all year after not even having a off season with his brand new team. i honestly think he has done a pretty good job for the hand his has been dealt.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:47 PM

I second what sircharles is saying. I also believe Mchale did a pretty good job last year considering everything that came his way.

Furthermore, I do not believe we are going through a full on rebuilding job here in Houston. The Rockets are doing what they told us, rebuilding on the fly. As much as some Red94 members dream this is not necessarily going to be a youth movement and the next star Morey acquires might not be in his early 20's and may cost the squad some of the rookies. I support it and prefer it to sitting around a few seasons and waiting for high upside players to try and realize their potential. Let's all admit the truth, being a Rockets fan with James Harden here is 10 times better that what this year could have been.

Coaching is not just wins and losses. I am willing to bet due to unfavorable circumstances and bad timing some good coaches have probably never had a chance to develop into successful NBA coaches.
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 03:09 PM

just curtious - who doesnt put a good portion of the blame for last seasons collapse on mchale? and who hasnt scratched their head a # of times at some of his rotations? lastly, i hope he has success, but who pictures mchale still being the coach once this team really matters?
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