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@  slick shoes : (07 October 2015 - 06:50 PM) Kobe ranked one spot higher than Ariza? Is this based on legacy or...??
@  slick shoes : (07 October 2015 - 04:13 PM) It was hard to keep up with both the Astros and Rockets at the same time. Should be interesting on Thursday with the Texans and Astros on simultaneously.
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@  jorgeaam : (06 October 2015 - 07:47 PM) Well, thinking twice about it, I'd rather have him score less and have the team as a whole do better. Lawson should take a lot of his load off
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@  thejohnnygold : (29 September 2015 - 05:16 AM) FYI, it was media day today. Interviews are up at NBA.com
@  slick shoes : (23 September 2015 - 06:37 PM) kind of late in the day but NBATV is broadcasting classis Rockets games all day today.
@  SadLakerFan : (16 September 2015 - 04:37 AM) Man, as a Laker fan, I'm learning how little you care about the off season when your team sucks. Anyway, a quick moment to remember Moses. Still remember watching the 81 team as a kid - losing record, NBA Finals. I would have cried w/joy if they could have beaten the Celtics.
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@  thejohnnygold : (14 September 2015 - 04:36 PM) A good article from Blinebury talking about when Hakeem and Moses used to play in the park. LINK
@  rockets best... : (14 September 2015 - 02:29 AM) I agree totally. I got to watch his Rocket days and the man was a hell of a player. BIG MO R.I.P.


On James Harden and Team USA

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#41 Losthief


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Posted 17 September 2014 - 06:30 PM

A very fair article about Mr. Harden.  It focuses on his defense and whether or not that prohibits him from being a star.  LINK


Here is a teaser...



That should get the ball rolling... ;)


thanks for posting the link good read:


one thing that struck me as I read it, I really think we need to see harden on defense playing a lot more sfs. He has the bulk and is a solid post defender (better than picks and especially screens) and I think that will really really help him (speed advantage to close out after picks/screens will help versus slower/bigger players)*. Parsons was too slow laterally to stay with sgs, ariza isn't so that could really really help alot this year assuming mchale notices/thinks of it.


*this does not apply to the elite sfs ofc, harden is not slowing down say...lebron but who does.

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 10:11 PM

Great find JG. I wonder where the writer got the defensive PER numbers from. I would not mind seeing other positional PER numbers.


The only place I have ever seen them is 82games.com.  It appears this is his source as well.


I will advise to take their stats with a grain of salt.  I have never been fully confident in their diligence/accuracy and some of their stats are not explained well--at least in my experience.


Still, click around.  They have lots of stuff. :)  

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Posted 17 September 2014 - 10:50 PM

JG, how much of those numbers are because there is a shortage of ELITE 2 guards in the nba compared to the other positions. Most good guards are PGs now. Also, when teams attack us they have Jones to go after before they go after Harden.
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Posted 17 September 2014 - 10:53 PM

I think Harden is underrated as a defender because he's portrayed as the worst of all time. I just think he's a below average defender who struggles because of ball watching and other things you can't do with team defense. I've seen him play on ball defense that was pretty darn good. But the next play he'd give up a layup because he allowed his man to cut to the hoop because he was watching the PG dribble. Hopefully he can focus on improving these relatively minor problems and become a legit 2 way player.
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    Posted 18 September 2014 - 01:30 AM

    In regards of opposing SG, harden usually ends up guarding the weakest player of the wing players and most of those players are the opposing spot up shooter. Lin is also in the same category as harden as below average defender and doesn't have the size against SG. The difference is Lin is what he is, but harden has the tool to actually be a very good defender when he does focus. Hopefully he will mature and the world championship this summer will change that for the better.
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    Posted 18 September 2014 - 06:01 AM

    JG, how much of those numbers are because there is a shortage of ELITE 2 guards in the nba compared to the other positions. Most good guards are PGs now. Also, when teams attack us they have Jones to go after before they go after Harden.


    This has been brought up before.  Context always matters.  Aside from what you've mentioned, PER favors points, assists, and rebounds very heavily.  If Harden is guarding a spot up shooter than 2 of those three categories almost completely vanish.


    I would argue this was the biggest problem with Harden's defense last season.  Over-helping in the lane, essentially to no effect, lead to many open looks for guys who make a living knocking down open looks from 3.  The back door cuts were annoying, but the thing that I think altered the outcome of games more is the open threes.


    I would counter your statement a bit regarding the state of 2 guards in this league.  There is a difference between elite and "star" players.  Omer Asik is elite and I think it is safe to say he is no star.


    Here's a list of 2 guards that I think are worthy of our respect:


    Dwyane Wade

    Goran Dragic (he spends most of his time there)

    Manu Ginobili

    DeMar DeRozan

    Monta Ellis

    Kevin Martin (Still highly effective except the last 5 minutes)

    Aaron Afflalo

    Vince Carter

    JJ Redick

    Gerald Green

    Joe Johnson

    Lance Stephenson

    Jamal Crawford

    Bradley Beal

    Klay Thompson


    OK, let's stop there.....but look at the names I left off....


    Kyle Korver

    Jimmy Butler

    Dion Waiters

    Danny Green

    Victor Oladipo

    Eric Gordon

    Randy Foye (turns the ball over too much, but can light it up from deep)

    Ray Allen

    OJ Mayo

    Gerald Henderson

    Tony Wroten

    Courtney Lee


    Those guys are good....and they didn't make the top tier...now look at the list below them...


    Wesley Matthews

    Marco Belinelli

    JR Smith

    Anthony Morrow

    Gerald Henderson

    Tim Hardaway Jr.

    Marcus Thornton

    James Anderson

    Thabo Sefolosha

    Evan Fournier

    Iman Shumpert

    Ben McLemore


    We could probably split that group above into two...I don't feel like all those guys are on the same level, but the point stands.  There are a lot of quality 2 guards in the NBA.  All of those guys in the top group are capable of dominating games one way or the other.  I know there aren't many guys like Harden, LBJ, Melo, Durant, etc (That is going to change as more and more teams plug in a PG or combo-guard at the 2), but look at that second group and think to yourself, "man, those guys can all light it up....and they're Group 2!!!!  Those Group 1 guys can all flat out school you on any given night!"


    The league has it's "stars", but don't let that take away from what, to me, is a solid group of 2 guards.  I mean, you are talking about guys who, for the most part, are in the NBA based on one ability: shooting/scoring the ball.  So, in one regard it should come as no surprise that Harden's defensive assignments score well.  This in no way means I think he is faultless in the matter.


    As to your point about teams attacking Jones--there is deeper context to consider here.  First, your other point somewhat nullifies this one (if one believes it is true)--that 2 guard is a weak position largely in this league.  Pair that with the fact that PF is fairly strong....especially considering LBJ, Melo, KLove, Blake Griffin, Duncan, Pau, Randolph, Davis, Nene, Dirk, LMA, Millsap are out there.....followed by the likes of David Lee, Ryan Anderson, Markieff Morris, Greg Monroe, David West, Taj Gibson, Amir Johnson, Carlos Boozer, and Boris Diaw.  All of those dudes can initiate their own offense and are utilized by their teams to do so regardless of opponent.  Thus, it skews the thing again.  Yes, teams attack from the PF position....but they were going to do that anyways....not just because Jones is out there.


    Your point that Harden defends less because of the PF position holds some water.  Ultimately, we all know it's the team defense that needs work so his "personal PER" is of little consequence.  We know what the deal is far better than PER ever could because we actually see what happens.

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