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[Steven]

I can't see the Rockets trading Lin unless they get a quality point guard in return. If you take Lin away from the team, then all the Rockets have at point guard is Beverley and Brooks, neither of which is a good point-guard option.

Beverley... Is he absent on offense? Where are the assists? I can't think of another point guard averaging 2 assists/game. He has a poor PER of around 12. A championship team needs more out of a point guard than a bunch of rebounds.

Brooks... He's a backup. Trade Lin and Beverley gets hurt, Brooks (or bringing up that rookie from the D League) isn't a starting option.

Trade Lin and the point guard position becomes very vulnerable.

You forgot the best PG the Rockets have, Canaan. By the end of the season he will be the starter and Beverly his backup.

[Ostrow]

I mean, there are two people on the Rockets bench who could be starters. Lin and Asik.  You can't make the argument that we can't trade Lin because if the starter gets hurt we don't have a starter to replace him. You could say that about any position.  Hopefully, if we trade Lin, we end up with someone who could potentially be a starter.  In that case we would have someone who could start if someone at another position got hurt.

[RudyT1995]

I mean, there are two people on the Rockets bench who could be starters. Lin and Asik.  You can't make the argument that we can't trade Lin because if the starter gets hurt we don't have a starter to replace him. You could say that about any position.  Hopefully, if we trade Lin, we end up with someone who could potentially be a starter.  In that case we would have someone who could start if someone at another position got hurt.

 

Absolutely.  (emphasis mine)

[miketheodio]

i do NOT feel comfortable with a bev, brooks, and canaan PG rotation

Edited by miketheodio, 16 December 2013 - 07:09 AM.

[Knickabokkaz]

Well incase no one believed me about Alan Hahn saying he heard from GM's talking about looking for takers for Jeremy Lin, here is more even promising evidence that the Rockets are looking to move Lin. They would never have this video live on NBATV TODAY! on National TV if there wasn't any truth to it.

 

I recorded it on my iPhone and posted it to YouTube so just make the volume louder, it sounds kind of low.

 

 

[Knickabokkaz]

Thanks to the mod who moved this..

[blakecouey]

Just merged to keep from having multiples of the same topic scattered about.  Thanks for the vid.

[rocketrick]

Well incase no one believed me about Alan Hahn saying he heard from GM's talking about looking for takers for Jeremy Lin, here is more even promising evidence that the Rockets are looking to move Lin. They would never have this video live on NBATV TODAY! on National TV if there wasn't any truth to it.

 

I recorded it on my iPhone and posted it to YouTube so just make the volume louder, it sounds kind of low.

 

 

Well, sure, to obtain a player like Paul Milsap will cost the Rockets either Asik or Lin. Looking at the Hawks roster, I'm not sure Lin makes sense there with Jeff Teague and Lou Williams being effective PG's. Plus their rookie Dennis Schroeder who at times has looked good.

 

However, the video discussion (very short, less than one minute in length) did not indicate any other possible trade scenarios for Lin. 

 

To me, if the Hawks were even interested in moving Milsap already, Asik makes better sense.

 

In any event, does anyone really believe the Hawks are already ready to move Milsap after just signing him earlier this summer? I don't. Why would the Hawks invest money in a quality free agency acquisition and give up only 1/4 of the way through his first season?

 

If anyone gets moved by December 19, it will be Asik. Only a blockbuster trade by then could possibly include Lin, but I believe the options are quite remote especially since Minnesota and Portland seem perfectly content with Kevin Love and LaMarcus Aldridge.

[Sir Thursday]

Well incase no one believed me about Alan Hahn saying he heard from GM's talking about looking for takers for Jeremy Lin, here is more even promising evidence that the Rockets are looking to move Lin. They would never have this video live on NBATV TODAY! on National TV if there wasn't any truth to it.

 

I recorded it on my iPhone and posted it to YouTube so just make the volume louder, it sounds kind of low.

 

 

Come on now, are you telling me that if it's on national TV it must be true?! Surely not. Their source is a guy from Bleacher Report whose only evidence is "word on the street". Bleacher Report and NBA TV are owned/run by the same parent company (TBS/Time Warner), which is why you often see announcers pushing the Bleacher Report app during games. It's also the reason they are getting on shows like this, rather than someone who might actually have some useful information to report.

 

ST

Edited by Sir Thursday, 17 December 2013 - 12:44 AM.

[Knickabokkaz]

Come on now, are you telling me that if it's on national TV it must be true?! Surely not. Their source is a guy from Bleacher Report whose only evidence is "word on the street". Bleacher Report and NBA TV are owned/run by the same parent company (TBS/Time Warner), which is why you often see announcers pushing the Bleacher Report app during games. It's also the reason they are getting on shows like this, rather than someone who might actually have some useful information to report.

ST

You know you must be right, I mean if it ain't coming from a direct source, it must be false right? It's only been mentioned twice in a day. You know I actually think we shouldn't just believe anything till it happens. NBATV should just mention all trade ideas from twitter fans and go with that source instead. Don't trust this "source" it's just rumors from any Joe Schmoe on national tv reporting this.

[rocketrick]

You know you must be right, I mean if it ain't coming from a direct source, it must be false right? It's only been mentioned twice in a day. You know I actually think we shouldn't just believe anything till it happens. NBATV should just mention all trade ideas from twitter fans and go with that source instead. Don't trust this "source" it's just rumors from any Joe Schmoe on national tv reporting this.

It's a clear difference between a credible source and a wannabe in my opinion.

 

Has this guy ever once came out with a rumor that nobody else prior to his story had that turned out to have eventually happened?

 

That is the clear definition of a credible source. Sure, Stern and Adrian Wojnarowski have missed on some of their rumors, but many times have been the first to report on an impending trade that eventually occurred, coaching change, etc.

Edited by rocketrick, 17 December 2013 - 01:10 AM.

[Sir Thursday]

You know you must be right, I mean if it ain't coming from a direct source, it must be false right? It's only been mentioned twice in a day. You know I actually think we shouldn't just believe anything till it happens. NBATV should just mention all trade ideas from twitter fans and go with that source instead. Don't trust this "source" it's just rumors from any Joe Schmoe on national tv reporting this.

 

Pretty much, yeah (I know you're being sarcastic, but you ended up speaking some truth). The media is an echo chamber and they are perfectly willing to trump something up if they think people will be interested in it. So if you want to get to the bottom of things you need to find the direct quote and the primary source. At least with the Hahn quote he has been talking with GMs - I'm willing to give his info some weight. But this video is garbage.

 

Here's is the exchange in the video clip you posted:

 

Presenter: "Is there potential that Jeremy Lin could be packaged and moved?"

Zwerling: "Potentially...yeah, definitely. That's the word on the street."

 

How is that evidence that something must be happening? NBATV wanted a puff piece about some trade gossip, so they put one together. There is nothing in that clip that says anything we don't already know.

 

You suggest that NBATV should mention all trade rumours...but news outlets kind of do that already, right? Here's ESPN trying it on for size: http://espn.go.com/v...egoryid=2378529. At least they do us the courtesy of putting a disclaimer on the front and making it clear that they don't have any actual inside information. I mean, I like Bill Simmons, but I don't take his suggestions seriously!

 

ST

[DoubleClutchCityTwoston]

Who could ever forget the stupid Bronco chase interrupting The Biggest Moment in Houston Sports History? I don't think anyone's lining up to take Lin off our hands....He is much improved (when healthy, which is virtually never) with the 3 and the left, but he's still nothin special...Then again, neither is Beverley, as extended minutes are beginning to show.

[thenit]

Him never being healthy is just flat out wrong.

[SDrake]

Who could ever forget the stupid Bronco chase interrupting The Biggest Moment in Houston Sports History? I don't think anyone's lining up to take Lin off our hands....He is much improved (when healthy, which is virtually never) with the 3 and the left, but he's still nothin special...Then again, neither is Beverley, as extended minutes are beginning to show.

 

The issue with Beverley starting is that his limited PG ability on the offensive end has put more pressure on Harden to play PG and SG simultaneously.  It seems to me like Harden is handling the ball on offense more than last year and that will only drag down his production or wear him down this season.

And with Beverley starting and playing over 30-35 minutes is that all the energy he brings to the game becomes diluted.  When he was coming off the bench last year, his energy would really shake up the game.

 

The positive this season...  (1) The twin towers thing didn't work and they got by it with Terrance Jones stepping up.  (2) Before the season started, I was very concerned that Howard's attitude would be a distraction to the team like its been the last few seasons, but he seems very happy in Houston and is playing well.

 

Point guard is an issue and Beverley isn't the solution.  McHale/Morey have already apparently decided that Lin isn't the solution.  Waiting to see what the Rockets' solution is at point guard.

[Mason Khamvilay]

I think it would be easier to develop Lin into a good defensive player that develop Beverley into a good offensive player.

[Mason Khamvilay]

I think George Hill and Bledsoe would be fantastic options for us but I don't think they're available. I'm sure Morey is kicking the tires anyway.

[Cooper]

Too bad they couldn't work something out when the clips were dealing Bledsoe. Seems like Phoenix wants him as one of their building blocks now.

[thenit]

I think Bledsoe needs the ball in his hand to be effective which is not a good fit.

[Mason Khamvilay]

I think Bledsoe needs the ball in his hand to be effective which is not a good fit.

I don't know, Dragic has the ball in his hands alot and it doesn't seem to stop Bledsoe from being effective. Don't forget, he's a 2-way player, a huge chunk of his impact comes on the defensive end too.