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Officer
Posted 13 November 2013 - 07:59 PM
FSS,
I appreciate the advice, the fact you're taking an interest in helping me help me elevate the quality of my constructive posts is something I greatly value. In this case my post was designed to be read in a humorous manner as opposed to a constructive one, and I was referring to Lin haters in general as opposed to someone in particular, but please keep up the good work!
2016 Champions
Veteran
Posted 13 November 2013 - 08:01 PM
So funny!
It really is hilarious how silly haters can be! You have a great sense of humor, that's why you're one of my favorite moderators 
Junior Member
Posted 13 November 2013 - 08:39 PM
I agree. ROx really need Hardens, Parsons and Bevs' 3pt shootings and I believe it will come back, especially Harden and PB. I hope Lin can keep up the good work as well. We need everyone to win.
Is a big Jeremy Lin fan and was a big ROX fan. More importantly, a huge bball fan in general.
Newbie
Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:01 PM
I did not find this piece very enlightening, but perhaps that's because i've been watching NBA basketball for 25 years...
or maybe because it's hard to take the author seriously when he throws around statements like:
Dwight Howard is clearly not back to his dominant self. According to my tallies, in terms of both defense and rebounding – where Dwight makes his money – he has been just average, which means that he has been awful.
Huh? Isn't he is tied with Kevin Love at about 15rpg? Leads the league? That's average? Your "tallies" seem to fly in the face of ACTUAL rebounds? lol what a joke.
Clean it up editors, clean it up
Junior Member
Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:10 PM
M...may I ask what wrong with that Reb tallies? I believe he meant, if D12 was his dominant self, he would get more Rebs, ahead of Love by a larger margin.
Is a big Jeremy Lin fan and was a big ROX fan. More importantly, a huge bball fan in general.
Newbie
Posted 13 November 2013 - 09:51 PM
I played with Sports Vu and tried the following to characterize Lin's impact on offense:
eFG% >= 48% (Effective Field Goal % - adjusted for value of 3 pointers)
This narrows the field to 101 players, but doesn't adequately describe the kind of scorer Jeremy is - someone who drives to the basket. So I added:
Drives PTS >= 2, and MIN > 30, and
Who does this leave?
1) LeBron James (MIA) - $19M
2) Evan Turner (PHI) - $6.7M
3) Tony Parker (SAS) $12.5M
4) Jeremy Lin (HOU) $5.2M
5) Dwyane Wade (MIA) - $18.5M
Take a look: http://on.nba.com/1fCfVLS
Interesting. Thoughts on this model?
Edited by linfanity, 13 November 2013 - 09:56 PM.
Rookie
Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:20 PM
JG, good idea about the PDF. I am having technical difficulties at the moment but later I will upload a form that people can use to keep their own tallies.
I'm glad someone pushed back on the Dwight rebounding point. Dwight grabs an amazing number of rebounds -- that's undeniable -- but after watching him closely for the past 7 games, I'm not convinced that he's a great rebounder. As my tallies show, there are a lot of times that he fails to box out, fumbles a rebound, and/or allows his man to sneak behind him for an easy put back. All of these things balance out the impressive number of rebounds that he does get. As a broader point, if you want to know a player’s value as a rebounder, there are better ways to measure it than the raw number of rebounds. The best measure would probably be the percentage of rebounds the _team_ recovers when a missed shot enters a player's zone. I wish SportVU were capturing that. By that measure, I'm pretty sure Dwight's rebounding performance would not look nearly as impressive.
Administrator
Posted 13 November 2013 - 10:35 PM
He seems to be great at uncontested rebounds but not so great at rebounding in traffic. The interesting question might be why he is getting so many uncontested opportunities.
Junior Member
Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:35 PM
I played with Sports Vu and tried the following to characterize Lin's impact on offense:
eFG% >= 48% (Effective Field Goal % - adjusted for value of 3 pointers)
This narrows the field to 101 players, but doesn't adequately describe the kind of scorer Jeremy is - someone who drives to the basket. So I added:
Drives PTS >= 2, and MIN > 30, and
Who does this leave?
1) LeBron James (MIA) - $19M
2) Evan Turner (PHI) - $6.7M
3) Tony Parker (SAS) $12.5M
4) Jeremy Lin (HOU) $5.2M
5) Dwyane Wade (MIA) - $18.5M
Take a look: http://on.nba.com/1fCfVLS
Interesting. Thoughts on this model?
Any system that ranks Evan Turner number 2 might be flawed. Just sayin. 
I'm just kidding. I actually like Evan Turner.
The model might be useful later in the season, but right now the sample size is too small to really tell us anything.
Junior Member
Posted 13 November 2013 - 11:52 PM
The main article seems to be saying that Lin might be worth $15 mil because his contributions so far have been slightly better than Harden's who makes about $14 mil.
I'm not sure if that's really a fair comparison. Harden has played with a sore back, two sore feet, a sore right knee, and a sore wrist, and hasn't looked like a $14 mil guy all season.
It might be fairer to say that Lin has been earning his $5 mil this season and that Harden hasn't been earning his.
Edited by RudyT1995, 13 November 2013 - 11:53 PM.
Rookie
Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:22 AM
A lot of interesting stuff in this article and subsequent discussion. As a LINONLYFAN, I only care that he improves and todays game against philly, 34 pts on 10-19 shooting, 12 assists, 5 rebounds and 8 turnovers perfectly captures everything he is doing better and everything he isn't doing better. Urgh.
The turnover thing is almost pure mental now. 2x he threw the ball to Parsons for long breakouts unsuccessfully. I think there must have been 4 drives into traffic with no plan. Please stop now, I think i like the odds of a pull up jumper better than driving into 3 defenders hoping for a call. Lin is consistently beating his first defender smartly now and just needs to get the 2nd part of the drive more consistent.
The most encouraging thing about Lin is his attitude. He was never a overconfident guy, and last year he suffered for it. But thats driven him to get better and i think as he improves this will start to build a more sure base of confidence. He finally calmed down and hit a 3 a little late in OT last night, but completely went away from his ball handling game when the team needed to create.
For you guys calling for Lin to start (thankfully none here so far). Stop now. Lin can continue to get reps against slightly weaker opposition, put up efficient games like this (minus the turnovers) and help the team win from the 6th man position. And save James Harden's best for crunch time situations. That starting crap is just crap. And yeah, he is starting to look ok against the contract.
Side note: You can't go to Howard only late in the game and expect him to deliver. He needs to get a feel of how the team is defending him and Philly got that double team quirk saved only for the last possession because we never went to him enough. And he needs more reps against good 1v1 post defenders in game situations. Most of the time Philly was doubling and there wasn't enough intuitive cutting action from anyone aside Parsons and Casspi.
Junior Member
Posted 14 November 2013 - 12:41 PM
Junior Member
Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:39 PM
Lin mind is very healthy even if he was in tough situation. Those player won't go away easily without fighting hard.
Junior Member
Posted 14 November 2013 - 01:50 PM
Veteran
Posted 14 November 2013 - 03:59 PM
Veteran
Posted 14 November 2013 - 05:54 PM
I find this offensive and disruptive. In future please take a moment to think about what you're posting before you post it, ask yourself what you're trying to accomplish with this post and whether or not your message is being delivered in a constructive manner.
JUST KIDDING! LOL I hope you moderators don't take yourselves too seriously that you can't laugh at yourselves from time to time
Veteran
Posted 14 November 2013 - 05:55 PM
I'm so happy to see Jeremy Lin finally showing everyone what he can do when he's healthy.
Veteran
Posted 14 November 2013 - 09:51 PM
Junior Member
Posted 14 November 2013 - 09:55 PM
He's worth every bit the 15 million, because his shot is rediculously better and is hot as hell right now, he's going to get even BETTER like us Lin fans BEEN saying.
Just to put things in perspective, these are the highest actual salaries for PGs for 2014-2015.
1. Chris Paul $20.1 mil
2. Deron Williams $19.8 mil
3. Derek Rose $18.9 mil
4. Russell Westbrook $15.7 mil
5. Jeremy Lin $14.9 mil
6. Tony Parker $12.5 mil
One of those names is not like the others.
Advanced Member
Posted 14 November 2013 - 10:03 PM
Just to put things in perspective, these are the highest actual salaries for PGs for 2014-2015.
1. Chris Paul $20.1 mil
2. Deron Williams $19.8 mil
3. Derek Rose $18.9 mil
4. Russell Westbrook $15.7 mil
5. Jeremy Lin $14.9 mil
6. Tony Parker $12.5 mil
One of those names is not like the others.
If you are going to do that then you could but the 5 million he is making this year thus making him one of the best contracts for a PG not in a rookie contract. Its easy to manipulate numbers to prove your point. His cap hit is 8.3 no matter what he gets paid the last year, the only one who should be concern should be the Team writing the paycheck, we should worry about salary cap maximization.
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