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[timetodienow1234567]

Lin is not the star of the team but he is important to this teams success. We could upgrade or find a better fit but while he's on our team I don't think he's unimportant. Maybe you think Allen was "unimportant". Gary Neal? Etc Some bench players are important to team success. You don't like Lin. Some people are LOFs that can be annoying. But I don't see how you're any better.

[Mario Peña]

Lin is not the star of the team but he is important to this teams success. We could upgrade or find a better fit but while he's on our team I don't think he's unimportant. Maybe you think Allen was "unimportant". Gary Neal? Etc Some bench players are important to team success. You don't like Lin. Some people are LOFs that can be annoying. But I don't see how you're any better.

 

 

You sound like a Lin fan with hurt feelings and I am so sorry you misunderstood my words. I am actually on the record here in Red94 threads for saying I like Lin as a player and I hope he succeeds as a Rocket. I never wrote that he was unimportant and actually just compared him to Vinnie Johnson (if you care to read what I wrote) which if you know much about the NBA means he would be important to the teams success. I am not really concerned how you view me but your lies reflect poorly on you here in this exchange.

[timetodienow1234567]

Lol. I'm a fan of the Rockets and trying to paint me as a Lin fan is fine. It's pretty telling about yourself. Also calling me a liar? Oh well. Let's just agree to disagree. I don't to get dragged down to your level of name calling. Have a good day.

[rockets best fan]

MAN I HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT I HATE J-LIN THREADS

[Mario Peña]

Lin is not the star of the team but he is important to this teams success. We could upgrade or find a better fit but while he's on our team I don't think he's unimportant. Maybe you think Allen was "unimportant". Gary Neal? Etc Some bench players are important to team success. You don't like Lin. Some people are LOFs that can be annoying. But I don't see how you're any better.

 

 

I know you are a Rockets fan I actually wrote that you 'sound' like a Lin fan.

 

What you wrote is clearly not true. Where I come from that is a lie and well I don't take kindly to anyone writing something that is not true about me as in how you wrote that I do not like Lin, yes that would be a lie.

 

I don't believe I am known as a name caller here and never have been but what you chose to write is clearly unproductive, paints me as something I am not and most importantly in no way addressed what I wrote in the previous post which is this:

 

 

"Dismissive to him as a player" is the part that jumps out at me. Wow, perhaps you meant something else but if that is what you meant and I am understanding you correctly then I am astounded. First of all I am just a fan and I don't think Jeremy Lin cares what my opinion is so it's a little overly dramatic to call it dismissing him as a player. I am just a long time Rockets fan as well as NBA fan, since about 1985. I am sure there are fellow forum members that totally disagree with me as well I hope there are but to mention I am being dismissive is not an accurate characterization when in reality I am just critiquing the post that began the thread as well as expectations of Lin.

 

Top and bottom Lin for his career is an 11.7 points per game/5.1 assists a game guy and if these Rockets become a top 3 team in the league in the next couple years my basketball experience tells me Lin ends up bouncing back and forth as starter and reserve and averages about 13 or 14 and maybe 4 assists. I hope he succeeds because I believe he can be a crucial bench scorer similar to Vinnie Johnson from those Pistons teams. I am well aware that some forum members believe Lin could be an All Star and as great as his story is I just completely disagree with that opinion. Lin has an elite skill which is his first step/acceleration but everyone has that in their scouting report now so that little run he had when he caught the league off guard is something that will probably not ever occur again to that extent.
 

Just as Lin only fans enjoy pointing out it's fine to critique James Harden, Coach McHale, Patrick Beverley as well as others I will also continue to critique Lin and Lin fans' posts if I see something worth critiquing. I believe I have been here long enough and follow enough basketball to do that.

 

 

I wish you a good day as well.

[lawprofsr]

You can't spell "hurt feelings" without L-I-N.  As long as he is on the Rockets there will be fans bemoaning his treatment.

 

I just want to emphasize that it's the fans who seem to have a lot of hurt feelings, not Lin himself. Whether Lin has anything to complain about is a different topic, but I don't see him complaining much. I'm actually a LOF who is also a longtime basketball fan--I wouldn't be following the Rockets from Ohio if not for JL, but I agree that many LOFs who are new to basketball or prone to conspiracy theories are annoying. it's like watching Americans new to soccer scream at the refs--I appreciate the passion of sports fans, but you don't happen to know what you're talking about. 

 

Still, there are some fair substantive points to be made about how he is being handled. (Rahat made some good observations last year about him being pulled in 4th quarter situations.) There are a lot of young exciting players who have gotten a lot more rope then Lin has gotten. And for all the talk about him not having enough of a track record, Beverly had even less of a record, and I think we will start to see more of the limits of his game. 

 

i don't know what "importance" has to do with whether or not one is being scapegoated. 

[webattorney]

I am not interested in rumours for one. As to Jeremy Lin well he just isn't that important, not even important enough to be a scapegoat. He is a 13 point 4 assist guy that will be a bench player if this Rockets team evolves into a championship contender in my opinion.

 

I think Lin's stats last year was something like 13.5 points and 6.3 assists per game.  That's not great, but that's not too bad.  Right now, Rockets don't have a good enough PG to replace Lin.  Parsons is going to get paid soon, so cap room is running out fast.  The best solution is to trade and Asik and Lin and then Rockets may have enough cap room to get a good PF and another PG.

[rockets best fan]

J-Lin is truly the most polarizing player I think I ever remember being part of the Rockets. it's amazing how so many people can look at him and see totally different things and have the things they see be so opposite. some see a budding star........some see a fringe mediocre PG struggling to find his place in this league. there will probably never be agreement on him until he is traded.

 

 

I think Lin's stats last year was something like 13.5 points and 6.3 assists per game.  That's not great, but that's not too bad.  Right now, Rockets don't have a good enough PG to replace Lin.  Parsons is going to get paid soon, so cap room is running out fast.  The best solution is to trade and Asik and Lin and then Rockets may have enough cap room to get a good PF and another PG.

I agree with your best solution about trading him, but we need a backup center if we let Asik go

[MrLobble]

MAN I HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT I HATE J-LIN THREADS

 

ditto. i hate seeing Lin-fans bash the organization over pointless opinions.

[oyyo]

In my opinion, the entire Lin fan/hater business has gotten so out of hand.  Yelling during an NBA game is completely normal, so that I understand.  The only thing I would disagree on is that, in my humble opinion, it is NOT right to blame anyone for something they did not commit.  If Lin genuinely messed up, then yes, yell at his ass.  If Lin was NOT at fault, there should be 0 reasons why anyone (Harden included) should be yelling at him.  That is just messed up if you are (morally, anyways).  Of course, this situation could be completely different, and that emotions were just high.

 

But if that is not the case, (and Harden is GENUINELY yelling at Lin for no apparent reason), then we have a problem (ego, pride, media getting to his head, w/e --> either way, its not good for the long run, unless we have a player that is on the level of MJ/Lebron, then you can go do whatever the hell you want, but unfortunately, I don't think Harden has that high of a ceiling).

 

But overall, Lin had a very solid game last night, evident by his stat line.  And he is the 3rd best player right now in this team (based on the past 6 games) --> heck, I'd even say he would be the 2nd best player on certain games.  Also, He's been very solid and consistent (something we've all been begging for last year.  We are finally getting that, so why the heck are we complaining?) 

[thenit]

"Dismissive to him as a player" is the part that jumps out at me. Wow, perhaps you meant something else but if that is what you meant and I am understanding you correctly then I am astounded. First of all I am just a fan and I don't think Jeremy Lin cares what my opinion is so it's a little overly dramatic to call it dismissing him as a player. I am just a long time Rockets fan as well as NBA fan, since about 1985. I am sure there are fellow forum members that totally disagree with me as well I hope there are but to mention I am being dismissive is not an accurate characterization when in reality I am just critiquing the post that began the thread as well as expectations of Lin.
 
Top and bottom Lin for his career is an 11.7 points per game/5.1 assists a game guy and if these Rockets become a top 3 team in the league in the next couple years my basketball experience tells me Lin ends up bouncing back and forth as starter and reserve and averages about 13 or 14 and maybe 4 assists. I hope he succeeds because I believe he can be a crucial bench scorer similar to Vinnie Johnson from those Pistons teams. I am well aware that some forum members believe Lin could be an All Star and as great as his story is I just completely disagree with that opinion. Lin has an elite skill which is his first step/acceleration but everyone has that in their scouting report now so that little run he had when he caught the league off guard is something that will probably not ever occur again to that extent.
 
Just as Lin only fans enjoy pointing out it's fine to critique James Harden, Coach McHale, Patrick Beverley as well as others I will also continue to critique Lin and Lin fans' posts if I see something worth critiquing. I believe I have been here long enough and follow enough basketball to do that.

I didn't mean it that way. I have been a rockets fan and I agree with you in regards of the rumor mill that its just a dumb thread. I interpreted that you believe Lin was not even worth the time to comment on him therefore making him rendered useless. I meant no offence in that regard.

I just think so far into the season he has been a lot better than last season and I believe that he has 6th man of the year potential and that role would suit him the best and it's a vital role in this team. I just took it that you dismissed his value to the team.

[thenit]

MAN I HAVE GOTTEN TO THE POINT I HATE J-LIN THREADS

Lol agree to an extent

[timetodienow1234567]

FSS, 

 

Your exact words were "As to Jeremy Lin well he just isn't that important," so while you didn't say he was unimportant you came pretty dang close. I apologize if that slight change in words caused you to be upset.

 

Secondly, I should have stated that you sound like you don't like Lin rather than what I actually said, "You don't like Lin."

 

I exaggerated your words and for that I'm sorry. I'll be more circumspect in my wording from now on.

[datruth]

Wow I guess we never look at LeBron James and Kobe Bryant, because they tear into guys on the floor.
Again, I love Lin and I love what he does on and off the floor.
I also know basketball and Harden had 295 turnover in 78 games last year.
His defensive effort is bad and he is volume shooter.
He is without a doubt our best offensive weapon.
So we take the good with the bad.
Sometimes we only see what we want to see.
Harden minutes need to be cut back a little and I think that will help him and the team.

[Mario Peña]

FSS,

Your exact words were "As to Jeremy Lin well he just isn't that important," so while you didn't say he was unimportant you came pretty dang close. I apologize if that slight change in words caused you to be upset.

Secondly, I should have stated that you sound like you don't like Lin rather than what I actually said, "You don't like Lin."

I exaggerated your words and for that I'm sorry. I'll be more circumspect in my wording from now on.

I appreciate your post timetodie and I know we often disagree on topics and I know we sometimes agree but regardless I appreciate you as a fellow forum member. I believe you have well thought out basketball opinions and you add to the constructive debate here on Red94. You are a Rockets fan and so am I so in the end we are on the same side pulling for the same team. Regardless of who was right or wrong and considering we both misunderstood each other in certain ways I agree both you and I went too far. I believe and I think you do as well in the higher standard here on Red94 and I hope next time you and I disagree we can be better than we were in this instance. Thank you for helping end this on a better note.

[Buckko]

All I have to say is I have not been impressed with this team's maturity, but hopefully its just the 3rd week of the season.

[PKM]

All I have to say is I have not been impressed with this team's maturity, but hopefully its just the 3rd week of the season.

I'll admit that barring something really, really out of the ordinary ( see: the Sacramento Kings in general), I take "maturity" stuff with a giant grain of salt.  A lot of it is from my perspective is quid pro quo - the team wins, therefore they are mature, or the team loses, therefore they are immature.  If Blake misses that 3, we wouldn't be talking maturity.  We would still be talking about all the reasons that we blew that game like the perimeter defense and the ongoing problem of Asik, but to me, those things are tangible. From a fan perspective, where we don't know these guys as much as we like to think we do due to Twitter and social media and such, it's not.

[Hemingway]

Maybe this fan is a little too near-sighted or overly zealous for Lin (The OP). We dont need the Lin police, but to say he's 'unimportant' is baffling. Seems like some people are also overly eager to take him down a peg. His scoring average for his career takes into account his season with GS, when he averaged like 3 points. So to use his career scoring average as evidence of his plainness is a bit irresponsible. And does a scouting report of his blazing first step negate his talent for that, especially when teams can't help defend cause Howard's in the post, and deadly 3pt shooters abound? Lol. Doesn't look like the first six games indicate such.

 

But still, whenever I'm tempted to be upset about some person on the internet, I just read Pina's ranking, or Bill Simmons's opinion, or remember Magic Johnson's assessment of Lin and remember whose opinions I'd rather hear. Or I just look at how he's playing with a chip on his shoulder and shooting lights-out from 2's.

 

To me, this season and most of last, Lin looked INTEGRAL to the team. He's top in steals, blocks for a guard, free throws for a pg, and imagine how many assists he'd have had if Asik could've finished even slightly last year. He's not my fave player, and we don't need crying about Lin's treatment, but I do have to chuckle when people take time out to remind others how mundane he is. You don't like LOFs, fine, but he's a joy to watch for me, and I'm supremely glad he's on the Rockets. Remember when he single-handedly took the Rox to overtime without Harden against the Spurs? His ceiling is very high, but who knows if he'll get there again. I'd like to see him restructure his contract and stay, as obviously 15 mil is a bit of an over-payment, lol

Edited by Hemingway, 09 November 2013 - 06:47 PM.

[rockets best fan]

I don't think anybody here has a problem with Lin personally.......it's LOF's have a problem with constructive faults being pointed out in Lin's game. every time even one word is uttered they jump all over the poster as if he has a personal beef with Lin. the man can not be discussed because LOF's see every short coming pointed out as Lin bashing. it hard for two people to discuss him when one of them see him as a savior and the other sees him as scrub. while he is neither that doesn't stop some from viewing him that way. I don't like Lin.......never have.......never will, but that is born of a basketball opinion not a personal vendetta. sure there are reasonable fans who like Lin without viewing every negative word on him as an attack, but they are in short supply. the vast majority of LOF's feel the need to defend him against all negativity, even that which is constructive.

[lawprofsr]

Oh, don't judge all Lin fans based in the intemperate posts made by some of them on discussion boards. Talk about a small, skewed sample! They are plenty of moderate Lin fans who know his limitations, are optimistic about his upside, and just enjoy watching him play, but don't feel the need to participate in these forums.