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Veteran
Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:44 PM
Seriously 2016? I'm only having one problem right now...
If you believe those teams are exceptions to the rule then good for you. You asked for my input and then throw a thinly veiled insult at me. You are being disrespectful, arrogant, and impish. If you want to continue having any discussions with me I'll have to ask you to refrain from this.
Veteran
Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:58 PM
I didn't mean any offense, I simply noted that I did make it clear I wasn't calling those Laker teams bad defensive teams. Then you went on to imply I made a silly notion that they were bad defensive teams. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems there was a failure of reading and comprehension on your part. I'm sorry if I was too blunt, I'm not trying to insult you here.
Veteran
Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:18 PM
I think if you re-read it from the start it isn't so difficult to understand. I am saying they all played good defense...you never got above saying they play "okay defense". You're bluntness is not a problem. I never implied that you made a "silly notion"--if you felt silly that was your own doing.
At best you said they played some defense and okay defense. I disagree with you. If you want to make vague assertions and manipulate words after the fact then I am going to have "reading and comprehension problems".
Veteran
Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:23 PM
I was vague in the beginning but I thought I clarified it. Lets just call it a misunderstanding and move on.
Veteran
Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:33 PM
Fine then, moving on.
Veteran
Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:30 PM
I can see both sides. TJG believes those were good to great defensive teams, if I'm not mistaken. I agree. 2016 believes that those teams were not as stout defensively than their opponents. Again, most of those matchups I agree with. But they were CLOSE. If our Houston defense came against any of the finals teams in the last 10 years, we'd lose by 40. Just because they weren't the better defensive team, didn't mean they didn't play good to great defense. Shaq was a top notch defender. Not as good as Duncan, but still good nonetheless. Kobe, when dialed in was pretty good defensively. Both sides are valid, but TJG seems to believe that you're belittling those team's defenses by calling them "okay" and "decent." If that was your point, then I agree with him. But if your point was that the other team was better defensively, then I agree. It would be like the Nuggets defense versus the Grizzlies' defense. Both are great defenses, but it's clear that the Grizz are better with Gasol. If the Nuggets won that matchup it would be the offense winning over the defense. But to say that the Grizz had an "okay" defense after the fact would be asinine.
Why so Serious? 
Veteran
Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:47 PM
Yes, perhaps I should have clarified from the beginning. When I said "good defense" what I meant was "not-elite". Maybe it's arguable, but when I think of elite defensive teams I think you have to be a top 3 defensive team in the league at least. None of those Laker teams were even top 5, and one of them was 20th.
Veteran
Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:01 PM
Veteran
Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:05 PM
Defense is still overrated. A good offense beats a good defense all day.
Tell that to all those Jazz teams, the Mavs teams with Nash, the Suns teams................ elite offensive teams with no rings.
Celtics/Pistons/Spurs = elite defensive teams that got championships.
I guess there's not enough correlation to prove any link.....lol
Why so Serious?
Officer
Posted 22 March 2013 - 12:04 AM
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glad you're on board, but I been on this boat since it left
Posted 22 March 2013 - 01:21 AM
feelingsupersonic:
I feel sorry for you sometimes..................as my grandmother once told me sometimes its a hard job trying the keep all the chickens in the yard 
hang in there
you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own 
glad you're on board, but I been on this boat since it left
Posted 22 March 2013 - 06:46 AM
Tell that to all those Jazz teams, the Mavs teams with Nash, the Suns teams................ elite offensive teams with no rings.
Celtics/Pistons/Spurs = elite defensive teams that got championships.
I guess there's not enough correlation to prove any link.....lol
agree........NO defense.......NO rings. it doesn't matter how you get it done as long as its done.
you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own
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