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@  majik19 : (13 October 2015 - 09:09 PM) Apparently we claimed Arsalan Kazemi off waivers from the Hawks today... yet another undersized (6'7") power forward for Morey's cupboard.
@  Mario Peña : (10 October 2015 - 01:12 PM) If your part if the Red94 Fantasy Basketball League check the thread to vote for the date and time for the draft event. Thanks y'all!
@  jorgeaam : (07 October 2015 - 08:47 PM) Guys we need 1 more owner for the Red94 fantasy league, if interested please comment on the post in the fantasy basketball thread
@  slick shoes : (07 October 2015 - 06:50 PM) Kobe ranked one spot higher than Ariza? Is this based on legacy or...??
@  slick shoes : (07 October 2015 - 04:13 PM) It was hard to keep up with both the Astros and Rockets at the same time. Should be interesting on Thursday with the Texans and Astros on simultaneously.
@  Mario Peña : (07 October 2015 - 04:09 PM) It was fun to have the Rockets on last night! Right now I'm watching the Celtics versus Milan and Alessandro Gentile is impressive.
@  jorgeaam : (06 October 2015 - 07:47 PM) Well, thinking twice about it, I'd rather have him score less and have the team as a whole do better. Lawson should take a lot of his load off
@  jorgeaam : (06 October 2015 - 07:47 PM) Loving that, hope he hits 30 PPG this year
@  thejohnnygold : (06 October 2015 - 06:15 PM) Someone is feeling confident :) : LINK
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@  Mario Peña : (06 October 2015 - 02:35 PM) Alright guys, if anyone is interested in joining the Red94 fantasy basketball league we could use one more player to get us to 10 teams (or three to get us to 12 teams). Just check the thread in the Fantasy Basketball forum. Thanks!
@  thejohnnygold : (05 October 2015 - 06:23 PM) I use leaguepass here in Austin with no problems...
@  skip 2 my lou : (05 October 2015 - 03:14 PM) Hey fellas, I'm a rocket fan but I live in the heart of Dallas. Does anybody know if I buy NBA Leaguepass if it's too close to be subject to blackouts?
@  Losthief : (02 October 2015 - 02:24 AM) tks jg
@  thejohnnygold : (29 September 2015 - 05:16 AM) FYI, it was media day today. Interviews are up at NBA.com
@  slick shoes : (23 September 2015 - 06:37 PM) kind of late in the day but NBATV is broadcasting classis Rockets games all day today.
@  SadLakerFan : (16 September 2015 - 04:37 AM) Man, as a Laker fan, I'm learning how little you care about the off season when your team sucks. Anyway, a quick moment to remember Moses. Still remember watching the 81 team as a kid - losing record, NBA Finals. I would have cried w/joy if they could have beaten the Celtics.
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@  jorgeaam : (15 September 2015 - 08:30 PM) So to celebrate his new contract, Montrezl Harrell saved someone's life on monday
@  thejohnnygold : (14 September 2015 - 04:36 PM) A good article from Blinebury talking about when Hakeem and Moses used to play in the park. LINK

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Josh Smith and the end of Moreyball?


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#21 rocketrick

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    Posted 08 January 2015 - 02:25 PM

    In addition............

    I could be wrong or mistaken with this next point regarding Josh Smith.

    However, I just couldn't resist.

    Didn't Josh Smith play out of position for like at least the last 3 NBA seasons?

    Josh Smith is clearly better in the eye test and all the numbers tests you want to throw at him at the PF position, not the SF position, which he continued to play, much to his credit, without any discussion, protest or otherwise from Josh Smith that I recall (isn't this a social media heavy time in our history?)

    More than anything that proves to me that Josh Smith is absolutely willing to play a team game, although no doubt he still has his moments that result in all of us looking away and grabbing for our noses in response to those unavoidable singular poor decisions that Josh has a habit and most obvious history of making.

    More time with a very good Rockets team may correct some of those moments, very unlikely not all, going forward,

    Go Josh, Go Rockets, I love this team!

    Edited by rocketrick, 08 January 2015 - 02:27 PM.

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      Posted 08 January 2015 - 02:30 PM

      Oh, I just remembered,, I meant to say this is FAR from the end of the Morey era.

       

      Probably the most ridiculous statement on this site in a long time unless anyone actually believed Jeremy Lin was the answer to the Rockets PG position going forward.


      Edited by rocketrick, 08 January 2015 - 02:30 PM.

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      #23 thejohnnygold

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      Posted 08 January 2015 - 02:58 PM

      Saying one person's opinion is "ridiculous" is not warranted nor up to standard.  Most all of us have expressed a thought or opinion that others could label as such--whether right or wrong in hindsight.  None of us know how the Josh Smith signing will ultimately play out--to believe that would be "ridiculous".  As fans we are all emotionally invested in this team which means we are going to have emotional reactions--probably more often than we like to admit.

       

      All in all, Smith played a great game for us last night.  This got posted over at Reddit.com yesterday:

       

       

      Call it what you want, but the numbers are promising.  Small sample?  Sure it is.  Proof that chemistry is improving?  Why not?  Did Smith take ill-advised shots yesterday?  Yes.  He also made 2-4 of those (I don't count the corner three which Harden directly passed to Smith to shoot it a bad shot).  He was 4-4 from inside, 2-4 from mid, and 1-2 from deep.  He also made, possibly, one of the most critical plays of the game clinging to a 6 point lead with 6 minutes to go Howard turned the ball over on a bad pass and it looked like Kyrie was going to make it a 4 point game until Smith flew out of nowhere to make a spectacular block which led directly to a 3 by Brewer that, in my opinion, sealed the win.  The Cavs didn't go away completely until Smith sank a 3 with 48 seconds left (again, assisted by Harden).

       

      It seems that Josh likes to shoot his threes in pairs--as soon as he makes one he jacks up another.  I can live with that.  It's still 1.5 ppp.

       

      Smith had 2 turnovers yesterday--One was another oops pass where Brewer moved left just as Smith passed to where he used to be--it happens.  I don't recall the other.

       

      McHale's first quarter interview was comforting.  He was asked about Smith's role and McHale mentioned everything except shooting the ball--rebounding, hustle, blocks, steals, driving to the rim, and play-making.  That is what they are working to mold him into.  Let's relax and let it happen.   :)


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      #24 rocketrick

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        Posted 08 January 2015 - 03:12 PM

        I don't mean to be political or whatever, but still, the definition of Ridiculous is Newtown and 20 kindergarten kids shot to death by a very sick individual.

         

        Or perhaps a dozen or so cartoonists simply doing their job and believing in their thoughts including Freedom of Speech being mowed down in their office yesterday in Paris.

         

        Just saying someone's post that mentions the word ridiculous is out of bounds and/or simply unacceptable, well, I just ran out of words here............


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          Posted 08 January 2015 - 03:30 PM

           

          Morey’s decision is disheartening on a second and more pernicious level.  The decision to sign Smith, in my view, shows a serious lack of judgment by Morey ....

           

           

           

           

           

           

          So my simple question is this---------------------------------------

           

          Which is worse, my word "ridiculous" in my prior post or this definition of Morey and the Rockets choice and ultimate decision to add Josh Smith to our team?

           

          Thank you in advance for your clarification.


          Edited by rocketrick, 08 January 2015 - 03:31 PM.

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          Posted 08 January 2015 - 03:32 PM

          I don't mean to be political or whatever, but still, the definition of Ridiculous is Newtown and 20 kindergarten kids shot to death by a very sick individual.

           

          Or perhaps a dozen or so cartoonists simply doing their job and believing in their thoughts including Freedom of Speech being mowed down in their office yesterday in Paris.

           

          Just saying someone's post that mentions the word ridiculous is out of bounds and/or simply unacceptable, well, I just ran out of words here............

           

          Well, just a quick Google search brings up this definition of "ridiculous":

           

          deserving or inviting derision or mockery; absurd

           

          Now, if you feel like Doug's thoughts on Josh Smith compare to the examples you gave then I guess you are taking this forum more seriously then I ever imagined.  Personally, I would have gone with "tragic".

           

          It's not about definitions--it's about respecting others.  You didn't merely "mention" the word ridiculous, Rick.  You aimed it directly at another poster on this forum.  Scroll up and re-read it for yourself.  We are not here to be condescending or dismissive.  Calling another's opinion "ridiculous" without offering anything constructive does just that.

           

          It's a simple request for respect and consideration not forceful censorship or agenda-driven manipulation.


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          Posted 08 January 2015 - 03:34 PM

           

           

          Morey’s decision is disheartening on a second and more pernicious level.  The decision to sign Smith, in my view, shows a serious lack of judgment by Morey ....

           

           

           

           

           

           

          So my simple question is this---------------------------------------

           

          Which is worse, my word "ridiculous" in my prior post or this definition of Morey and the Rockets choice and ultimate decision to add Josh Smith to our team?

           

          Thank you in advance for your clarification.

           

           

          Your word ridiculous.  It lacks respect for others.  It lacks self-awareness.  On the other hand, Doug demonstrates both of those qualities.  By stating his thoughts clearly and allowing for the fact that they are his and his alone.  He was also very gracious in receiving everyone else'e thoughts which, for the most part, contradicted his own.


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          #28 rocketrick

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            Posted 08 January 2015 - 03:39 PM

            Your word ridiculous.  It lacks respect for others.  It lacks self-awareness.  On the other hand, Doug demonstrates both of those qualities.  By stating his thoughts clearly and allowing for the fact that they are his and his alone.  He was also very gracious in receiving everyone else'e thoughts which, for the most part, contradicted his own.

            Ok, so what other words are disallowed on Red94 going forward so that I stay on the straight and narrow by avoiding them at all costs?


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            Posted 08 January 2015 - 03:45 PM

            Ok, so what other words are disallowed on Red94 going forward so that I stay on the straight and narrow by avoiding them at all costs?

             

            :lol: I'll take the bait.

             

            Any word that intentionally, or unintentionally, is rude, condescending, or in any way offensive to another poster.  Here, this is from our very own RED94 Forum Guidelines:

             

             

             

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            Disagreements or conflict may arise in the course of discussion. Please remember to be courteous when disagreeing with others. Debate on differing opinions is appropriate and encouraged. Personal attacks against other users, however, are not allowed.

             

             

            You can read the entirety of them HERE.

             

            Much like guns, words are harmless in and of themselves--it's how we use them that makes them hurtful.


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              Posted 08 January 2015 - 04:00 PM

              I love me some harmless guns.
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                Posted 08 January 2015 - 04:23 PM

                thejohnnygold, I will also try (!) to keep my comments short, since I think we’ve exhausted my therapeutic needs at this point. 

                 

                Regarding variance.  I entirely disagree.  You want large variance only when you’re the underdog and want the unexpected outcome.  Good teams do not need or want high variance players (and outcomes) for that very reason.  As a good team, you want the expected outcome, since the expected outcome is that you win.  I would have a hard time believing that Morey has said anything to the contrary. 

                 

                The only thing I can find about Morey and variance that is somewhat related to this context is in this article:  http://sciencewitnes...-things-data-2/.  There, Morey noted that when the Rockets lacked superstars (i.e., they were not a good team), he liked high variance players because they could get someone who could improve them dramatically -- and conversely, they weren’t really hurt if the player flamed out.  (For that reason, I had and have no problem with Morey’s selection of Royce White.)  Even in that context, he’s not talking about getting a player who is always going to be up or down; instead, he’s talking about getting young players who could develop into really great players or players who will just flame out.  He’s also talked about variance in the context of how chance can play out in an individual series.  But that’s, of course, an acknowledgment of chance in a small series and the hope that it plays to your advantage.  That doesn’t really have much to do with signing a player like Smith.  Indeed, if anything, high variance players are particularly harmful in a sport like basketball with a long playoff.  A high variant player can singlehandedly win a series, but when they are, on average, terrible like Smith, they are much more likely to lose a series.  And, more importantly, it’s incredibly unlikely that they will play well for 3 or 4 series.  And that brings me to the more important point:  regardless of whether Smith occasionally will play a good game, that good game is balanced out by 2 or 3 bad games (hence his terrible numbers). 

                 

                Regarding my mind being made up.  I’ve been upfront that I don’t think Smith is a good player, and I’ve listed reasons why I think that’s so.  And while I’ve appreciated the comments people have made, no one has really rebutted my points.  I say that because this is not a matter of me being stubborn or faking wanting to have an honest dialogue.   I think the closest you’ve come to addressing the fact that Smith has not produced is your last comment about Smith’s 09-10 season.  That was a good season.  But it was also an aberration and five years ago.  I don’t think it’s rational to expect Smith to play like that again.  It’s, at best, wishful thinking. 

                 

                I think last night’s game was a great example of what we’ll get from Smith.  He made an amazing block.  We all remember that.  But he also jacked up a lot of dumb shots.  True, some of them went in yesterday.  Good for the Rockets.  But we know, in the long run, that he’ll make those shots at an incredibly low clip.  Will he occasionally go 3 for 5 from the outside?  Sure.  He’ll then follow that up with making 2 of his next 22. 

                 

                I also agree with you regarding McHale’s interview.  That being said, either he’s not telling Smith to stop shooting outside shots or he is and Smith is not listening.  Either one of those outcomes are not comforting and, for me, merely confirms why this was a terrible signing.  

                 

                And, with that, I think I’ve exhausted my ability to handle a discussion about Josh Smith.  And I think I've settled in on where I now stand.  As I said earlier, I hope I am wrong and I hope he somehow becomes a league average player.  But I doubt it.  Perhaps I’ll return here when the Rockets get knocked out of the first round of the playoffs after Smith shoots 35%.  ;)  At least, by then, baseball season will be in full swing . . .


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                  Posted 08 January 2015 - 04:25 PM

                  Ridiculous
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                  Posted 08 January 2015 - 04:31 PM

                  Ridiculous

                   

                  Are you taunting me?  ;)

                   

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                  #34 rocketrick

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                    Posted 08 January 2015 - 04:36 PM

                    When does the "winning team" have an "expected outcome" in the NBA?

                    And I already disputed this person's belief that Josh Smith is bad for the Rockets. JS has been forced out of position for so long that anyone that knows anything about the NBA has simply forgot.

                    I predict Dougie or whatever his ridiculous name is will simply disappear going forward.
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                    #35 rocketrick

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                      Posted 08 January 2015 - 04:37 PM

                      Are you taunting me?  ;)
                       
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                      Where is Spock..........I am SO, SO, SO Disppointed........
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                      Posted 08 January 2015 - 04:38 PM

                      When does the "winning team" have an "expected outcome" in the NBA?

                      And I already disputed this person's belief that Josh Smith is bad for the Rockets. JS has been forced out of position for so long that anyone that knows anything about the NBA has simply forgot.

                      I predict Dougie or whatever his ridiculous name is will simply disappear going forward.

                       

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                      #37 rocketrick

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                        Posted 08 January 2015 - 04:40 PM

                        Cool stuff, I love you JG!!!!!!!!!!!

                         

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                        Posted 08 January 2015 - 04:45 PM

                        Cool stuff, I love you JG!!!!!!!!!!!

                         

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                          Posted 08 January 2015 - 04:49 PM

                          Exactly my sentiments, thank you JG.......


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                          Posted 08 January 2015 - 04:50 PM

                          Doug, I hope you are wrong about Smith and the playoffs.  We'll find out one way or the other  :)


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