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#41 Willk

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    Posted 31 March 2014 - 07:56 PM

    After seeing Canaan in last night's game I'd like to see him start over Lin.  The reason is I want Lin to continue developing himself and the reserves into a solid unit with good chemistry.  With him, D-Mo, Asik, and whichever SG/SF combo McHale decides to play with them they have a chance to be solid on defense and do some legitimate scoring.

     

    Meanwhile, Canaan can provide a presence similar to Beverley like Drew just described above.  Canaan gets quality minutes.  Lin hones his role.  This seems like the best route to take in my opinion.  Plus, if this happens Steven's prediction of Canaan starting in the playoffs could actually come true--which is kind of awesome even if it is due to injury. :)

    I agree with you JG. I also, think it is easier for the Rockets to bring Lin in a game where Canaan is struggling and have a positive effect then the other way around.

    I think Canaan is similar to Bev in that he will shot the 3 at a good clip and will bring hustle every day. I am not sure you can count on Lin's shoot every night. Other teams double off of Lin and take their chances on Lin hitting that shot then letting Harden and Howard beat them. A perfect example of this was the last game against Portland. Portland helped off of Lin when Harden would drive and Harden found Lin 4 times for wide open threes in the fourth quarter. Lin hit1. Canaan will keep teams more honest.

    Finally, many teams try to keep key players in their roles no matter what happens. We just saw the Clippers do this. JJ Redick was injured so instead of starting Jamal Crawford, the Clips started Darren Collison. The Spurs also do this with Manu Ginobili. Ray Allen does not always start when Wade is out.


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    #42 Mario Peña

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    Posted 31 March 2014 - 08:12 PM

    Again, posted this in a different location but...
     
    Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA[/size]  1m
    After suffering a torn meniscus in right knee, Houston's Patrick Beverley won't need surgery and will return this season, sources tell Y.



    Yessssssss!
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    Posted 31 March 2014 - 08:34 PM

    I agree with you JG. I also, think it is easier for the Rockets to bring Lin in a game where Canaan is struggling and have a positive effect then the other way around.

    I think Canaan is similar to Bev in that he will shot the 3 at a good clip and will bring hustle every day. I am not sure you can count on Lin's shoot every night. Other teams double off of Lin and take their chances on Lin hitting that shot then letting Harden and Howard beat them. A perfect example of this was the last game against Portland. Portland helped off of Lin when Harden would drive and Harden found Lin 4 times for wide open threes in the fourth quarter. Lin hit1. Canaan will keep teams more honest.

    Finally, many teams try to keep key players in their roles no matter what happens. We just saw the Clippers do this. JJ Redick was injured so instead of starting Jamal Crawford, the Clips started Darren Collison. The Spurs also do this with Manu Ginobili. Ray Allen does not always start when Wade is out.

    Lin can do both anyway. Probably does not matter to Lin. PB won the starting job because of His defense? SO......it depends on how Canaan I guess.


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      Posted 31 March 2014 - 09:04 PM

      Haven't read all these but I think the Canaan stuff is silly. He showed he can be a player but he is reckless. The spurs and any other smart team would exploit him. He is not ready.
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      Posted 31 March 2014 - 09:12 PM

      if Beverley does return........(fingers crossed ;)) Lin and Canaan may be battling to see who will be his backup


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      you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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      Posted 31 March 2014 - 09:13 PM

      @RBF, I have no doubt about it. LOL


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      Posted 31 March 2014 - 10:02 PM

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      undervaluing Lin? interesting concept. base on the fact that his play recently by even the most optimistic view has been mediocre, exactly what does he bring to the table? turnovers? indecision? poor passing? horrible shooting? Drew enlighten me, what is it that you think he can bring to the table that Canaan will not. is it proper to continue with things as they are even when it isn't working? I think all of us have seen enough of Lin to know what we are getting and what we are getting is unfulfilling so why not try something else? I honestly feel Canaan can't be any worse than Lin so what exactly is it that you believe we are losing by making a switch?

       

      Posters in this thread have suggested benching Lin permanently, citing his lack of talent. I was in the midst of conversation about whether Lin's talent warranted the price-tag on his contract, and I felt that the conversation was worthwhile. But this current line of thinking, that Lin is undeserving of minutes and a bad player overall, doesn't make sense to me.

       

      You asked me what Lin brings to the table. I believe he brings a more steady hand than a rookie. I believe he brings an attacking style of play that is very conducive to the success of the Rockets' second unit. When his shots aren't falling, he has the ability to drive to the rim and create shots for others or pick up fouls on the defenders. In my estimation, he's also a better defender than many give him credit for. 

       

      Canaan is an unknown quantity. He played well in college and has done a good job with the Vipers. Yet these successes do not mean that he's ready to start for a contender. He is inexperienced. He has not had time to adjust to playing defense against NBA-caliber point guards. He may one day be ready for a starting position, but from what I've seen, I don't think he's ready yet. Nor do I think he'll be ready this season, and probably not next. Again, these are my opinions, and I don't expect people to agree with me.

       

      I guess my big push-back is that sports fans tend to overvalue the potential of the unknown player over the reality of the current player. I think that point is true, whether you think it's applicable in this situation or not. I think a reasonable evaluation of Lin would be that he has been one of the better back-up point guards in the NBA this season, though he's played below the level of most starters. That would put him at around the 30th-40th point guard in the league.

       

      Several posters here are suggesting that Canaan would outperform Lin given those minutes. So be it. I have no more desire to argue that point, not because I think it Lin would underperform in comparison, but because Lin is so polarizing that I get the feeling the conversation would not be very productive. But to argue that Lin should be benched and not get any playing time at this point of the season, with Beverley injured and out for two weeks, is baffling to me. Starting a rookie point guard and leaving no alternative at the 1 is not my idea of a good solution.

       

      I'll end with this: we see what we are looking for. For those who have decided that Lin is unworthy of playing time, it's easy to focus in on turnovers and missed shots. For those who believe he's a great player, it's easy to key in on his drives and the swishes. I think it's worthwhile to remember that we each tend to fall into our own confirmation biases. I think it's fair for me to note that I'm biased towards Lin doing well. But I think it's also fair to note that I'm not the only person posting with some bias.


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        Posted 31 March 2014 - 10:13 PM

        Beverley is a player that depends on his athleticism. The Rockets should be asking what his risk of further injury is even if he is able to get back on the court.  A tear is still a tear.  And the time it takes to heal is the time it takes.  


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          Posted 31 March 2014 - 10:22 PM

          Lin gets the scrutiny and criticism that even a lot of stars avoid. Lin didn't have a good game against the Clippers but I would say most of that was because the shots didn't fall. It wasn't about a lack of aggressiveness (he had 8 pts on FT attempts) or a lack of shot attempts, or defensive issues (He was playing the #2 guard and kept them honest though the Clippers didn't really test him too much). A lot of that performance had to do with very good Clippers D. I think he and the coaching staff need to figure out a more effective plan to execute against very athletic paint defenders like the Clips.  


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          Posted 01 April 2014 - 12:27 AM

          @Drew in Abilene

          Drew I don't agree with you but understand your line of thinking. it's common to resist change especially when dealing with the unknown. right now Canaan represents the unknown. we see different things when we look at Lin so I can't see the harm in replacing him like you do. to me Lin has already proved unable to handle this team


          Edited by rockets best fan, 01 April 2014 - 12:27 AM.

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          you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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          Posted 01 April 2014 - 12:39 AM

          @rm90025

          Lin get a lot of scrutiny and criticism because few athletes have as large of a following of objectively challenged fans.


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          you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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          Posted 01 April 2014 - 01:01 AM

          @Drew in Abilene

          Drew I don't agree with you but understand your line of thinking. it's common to resist change especially when dealing with the unknown. right now Canaan represents the unknown. we see different things when we look at Lin so I can't see the harm in replacing him like you do. to me Lin has already proved unable to handle this team

           

          Fair enough. We both understand each others' points and simply diverge on our evaluation of Lin. No matter if you're right, I'm right, or we're both off the mark, I know we both want what's best for the Rockets. Different ideas about what that looks like, but we're both on Houston's side.

           

          On a slightly different note, if Beverley misses the rest of the regular season (about 2 1/2 weeks), do y'all think that costs us a few games or even a seed?


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          Posted 01 April 2014 - 01:11 AM

          @Drew in abilene

          Yes it could cost us a couple of games, however unlikely to affect our playoff seed IMO


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          you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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            Posted 01 April 2014 - 02:40 AM

            The schedule the rest of the way is so easy the only game I'd be concerned about missing beverly is Toronto, otherwise it should be fairly easy wins the rest of the way besides okc which they haven't had success against with beverly anyways.


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            Posted 01 April 2014 - 04:43 AM

            Just one game and i don't think Canaan did well on that game. Lin is far better than Canaan at this point. We'll see it on the next game.


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              Posted 01 April 2014 - 06:24 AM

              Just one game and i don't think Canaan did well on that game. Lin is far better than Canaan at this point. We'll see it on the next game.

              Or we will see what we saw again. One a below average PG, the other "irrational confidence guy".

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              Posted 01 April 2014 - 08:41 AM

              Or we will see what we saw again. One a below average PG, the other "irrational confidence guy".


              I hope not. If we want the Rockets to go further in the playoffs, we need both of them to step up.
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              Posted 01 April 2014 - 09:20 AM

              I'm hoping Beverley returns and Canaan is his backup..............I have lost confidence in Lin


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              you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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                Posted 01 April 2014 - 09:51 AM

                This was for a comment on the first page but i couldnt help but refute on it...

                 

                Parsons only covered CP3 because the Clippers went with the rare three point guard lineup of J crawford, Darren Collison and CP3 all playing at the same time.  it had nothing to do with Lin.  It was about putting size on the clippers best player.  and it didnt work.  Paul went OFF against Parsons.  No need to pile on Lin for it..


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                  Posted 01 April 2014 - 05:35 PM

                  This was for a comment on the first page but i couldnt help but refute on it...

                   

                  Parsons only covered CP3 because the Clippers went with the rare three point guard lineup of J crawford, Darren Collison and CP3 all playing at the same time.  it had nothing to do with Lin.  It was about putting size on the clippers best player.  and it didnt work.  Paul went OFF against Parsons.  No need to pile on Lin for it..

                  http://scores.espn.g...ameId=400489961

                  The Clippers started with a traditional line-up, not a three point guard line-up. Parsons played against CP3 right from the beginning. CP3 also was guarding Parsons which I found interesting. It looks like the Clippers put their two best wing defenders on the Rockets two best wing players.


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