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@  majik19 : (13 October 2015 - 09:09 PM) Apparently we claimed Arsalan Kazemi off waivers from the Hawks today... yet another undersized (6'7") power forward for Morey's cupboard.
@  Mario Peña : (10 October 2015 - 01:12 PM) If your part if the Red94 Fantasy Basketball League check the thread to vote for the date and time for the draft event. Thanks y'all!
@  jorgeaam : (07 October 2015 - 08:47 PM) Guys we need 1 more owner for the Red94 fantasy league, if interested please comment on the post in the fantasy basketball thread
@  slick shoes : (07 October 2015 - 06:50 PM) Kobe ranked one spot higher than Ariza? Is this based on legacy or...??
@  slick shoes : (07 October 2015 - 04:13 PM) It was hard to keep up with both the Astros and Rockets at the same time. Should be interesting on Thursday with the Texans and Astros on simultaneously.
@  Mario Peña : (07 October 2015 - 04:09 PM) It was fun to have the Rockets on last night! Right now I'm watching the Celtics versus Milan and Alessandro Gentile is impressive.
@  jorgeaam : (06 October 2015 - 07:47 PM) Well, thinking twice about it, I'd rather have him score less and have the team as a whole do better. Lawson should take a lot of his load off
@  jorgeaam : (06 October 2015 - 07:47 PM) Loving that, hope he hits 30 PPG this year
@  thejohnnygold : (06 October 2015 - 06:15 PM) Someone is feeling confident :) : LINK
@  jorgeaam : (06 October 2015 - 05:54 PM) 10 Teams done, will need 2 more
@  Mario Peña : (06 October 2015 - 02:35 PM) Alright guys, if anyone is interested in joining the Red94 fantasy basketball league we could use one more player to get us to 10 teams (or three to get us to 12 teams). Just check the thread in the Fantasy Basketball forum. Thanks!
@  thejohnnygold : (05 October 2015 - 06:23 PM) I use leaguepass here in Austin with no problems...
@  skip 2 my lou : (05 October 2015 - 03:14 PM) Hey fellas, I'm a rocket fan but I live in the heart of Dallas. Does anybody know if I buy NBA Leaguepass if it's too close to be subject to blackouts?
@  Losthief : (02 October 2015 - 02:24 AM) tks jg
@  thejohnnygold : (29 September 2015 - 05:16 AM) FYI, it was media day today. Interviews are up at NBA.com
@  slick shoes : (23 September 2015 - 06:37 PM) kind of late in the day but NBATV is broadcasting classis Rockets games all day today.
@  SadLakerFan : (16 September 2015 - 04:37 AM) Man, as a Laker fan, I'm learning how little you care about the off season when your team sucks. Anyway, a quick moment to remember Moses. Still remember watching the 81 team as a kid - losing record, NBA Finals. I would have cried w/joy if they could have beaten the Celtics.
@  jorgeaam : (15 September 2015 - 08:30 PM) http://bleacherrepor...ist-after-crash
@  jorgeaam : (15 September 2015 - 08:30 PM) So to celebrate his new contract, Montrezl Harrell saved someone's life on monday
@  thejohnnygold : (14 September 2015 - 04:36 PM) A good article from Blinebury talking about when Hakeem and Moses used to play in the park. LINK

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The Red94 post-trade deadline roundtable


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#1 Red94

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    Posted 21 February 2015 - 01:30 PM

    New post: The Red94 post-trade deadline roundtable
    By: Paul McGuire

    McGuire: As we work to pick up the fallout from the NBA trade deadline, we should first start by focusing on the two players Houston got - K.J. McDaniels and Pablo Prigioni. I want to start by focusing on Prigioni. What I have seen from Twitter focuses on the fact that he is a 41% three-point shooter for his career ( he is 37% for the season), but Prigioni is also a good passer, with a career assist-to-turnover ration of around 3 to 1. Harden has never played with a true pass-first point guard in Houston ( and I guess not in OKC as well). While one could argue that Harden must dominate the ball, I think Prigioni could be a nice change of pace for a team which does not really have good passers - there’s Harden, Smith ( and both of them turn the ball over far too often), Motiejunas to a degree, and that’s about it.

     

    Felker:  Bingo on the Prigioni analysis.  He obviously doesn’t create out of the slash-and-kick, but like old Jason Kidd used to do for the Mavs, Pablo never misses the correct pass.  Jason Terry’s veteran savvy aside, I still don’t fully understand why Isaiah Canaan couldn’t lock down the backup point guard role.  I’ve always said that one of Kevin McHale biggest weaknesses is that he doesn’t take the time to season young players.  Gregg Popovich would have definitely thrown Canaan to the wolves and let him figure it out.  Canaan is soon-to-be elite at one of the most important skills in today’s NBA, and he’s only going to get better.  Having said that….

     

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    Walker: Can we talk about KJ McDaniels for a moment? Fantastic name aside (Not a lot of KJ’s out there, a bold two letter nickname), he’s hyper-athletic, shows a lot of promise on defense, and deserves rotation minutes right this second. The Rockets now have A Bench. Prigioni, McDaniels, Brewer, Jones and Smith are probably a better unit than some teams have starting. KJ is gonna get burn yesterday, and you don’t trade for Prigioni if you want him to sit on the bench, right? Of course, those minutes have to come from somewhere, and Jason Terry has to be looking over his shoulder right about now.

     

    Felker:  As I told Paul in an email shortly after the trade was announced, KJ McDaniels is Morey’s second go around at Gerald Green.  He cut Green a few years ago, and rectified it by trading a solid prospect for McDaniels this time around.  Lesson learned.

     

    McGuire: Well, I am not sure whether a comparison to Gerald Green is supposed to be a good thing. Green is certainly better compared to when he was first drafted, but he is just as likely to shoot you out of a game as he is to help you.

     

    Now as for McDaniels: Forrest is right in that those minutes have to come from somewhere, but I remain doubtful as to where. Harden-Ariza-Brewer are going to gobble up the vast majority of those 96 swingman minutes, especially so in the playoffs. McDaniels has potential and has been talked about more this afternoon than Prigioni, but he does not do much to fix Houston’s real weaknesses - and while I may disagree with Rahat’s statement that “The Rockets are the only team among the west’s top tier about whom you can say they have a very clear glaring weakness”, they have real flaws which will hold them back this year.

     

    Li: We should also not forget to mention the most important statistic concerning either of these two players. Prigioni is 37 years old. He’s basically the Argentinean Jason Terry.

     

    That being said, Prigioni’s three-point shooting is going to be the most important part of the Rockets’ trade haul. Yes, he shoots a career 41%, but his volume isn’t spectacular (6.2 3PA per 100 possessions). This season Jason Terry is shooting 39% on 10.0 3PA per 100 possessions. Of the two, the latter figure is more impressive since it indicates similar efficiency on presumably more difficult shot selection. Of course, Prigioni has been shooting on the Knicks, not exactly a free flowing offense that produces great three-point looks. The potential for Prigioni to find a nice comfortable role outside of the arc with the Rockets is definitely there.

     

    Just to resurrect a horse that’s already been beaten to death, count me in on the “are we giving our players a fair shake?” bandwagon. Canaan, obviously. Rahat also mentioned how only injuries forced DMo into receiving playing time (remember he didn’t play a single minute in the playoffs last year). I’m also going to throw Robert Covington into the mix. This year he’s shooting 39% on 10.9 3PA per 100 possessions, WITH PHILADELPHIA! That’s great efficiency on incredible volume in a basketball desert. You’re telling me a 6’9” wing who can shoot like that and makes less than $1 million can’t find a role on the Rockets? Can you imagine a Smith-Jones-Ariza-Brewer-Covington lineup? They’re all 6’9”! They can switch onto whomever they want! But I digress, it’s just spilled milk now.

     

    Walker: Eh, nothing good ever comes of looking at your ex’s Facebook page, and there’s little use in worrying about how traded players are doing. Covington wasn’t going anywhere in Houston, and apparently neither was Canaan (perhaps for different reasons). I would love to see Prigioni eat up all of Terry’s minutes and for McDaniels to help reduce the minutes load on the starters in general. It’s become increasingly evident that regular season minutes maintenance matters in playoff time, and the closer to 30 minutes a game for the starters the better. McDaniels may or may not get burn in the postseason, but he can save some burn now. The fresher and more energetic playoff Harden is, the better Houston’s chances of winning four games in a series, and the less injury done to my liquor cabinet.

     

    McGuire: Maybe this is because I was one of the captains of the “Motiejunas is not very good” wagon, but I don’t agree with what Rahat said about Motiejunas and McHale at all. Motiejunas got playing time last year. He even started a few games. And he was a mess defensively who fouled far too often, the hook shots which are his bread and butter now were not going in, and he was a worse three-point shooter. I know quite a few people suggested that McHale should have thrown Motiejunas against Aldridge last year against Portland. I think that is Monday-morning quarterbacking at best, and downright lunacy at worst.

     

    But to get back on topic, I do think Rahat is right to be concerned about this team’s postseason potential. Two of the other Western teams scare me to death ( Golden State and the underrated Clippers), I would rather not face Memphis, and Dallas is really the only team that I am confident that we can beat. I would not go so far as to agree with my friend Brandon Davis from House of Houston in his declaration that “The Rockets won’t make it to round 2”, but I will not say I am not worried.

     

    Dover: My guess with Prigioni is that Morey looked at the team and decided that we needed someone who could genuinely be called a “point guard” to back up Beverley. We forget because of where he has played for us this year, but up until this season Terry was predominantly a shooting guard. And for all that Canaan showed promise, there’s a reason he is sometimes referred to as an ‘SG trapped in a PG’s body’.

     

    Up until now that has led for a rather chaotic approach when the starters sit - the bench mob can be incredibly effective when they’re generating turnovers and getting out on the break, but often struggle in the half court. Prigioni has a career’s worth of experience in managing the game and getting his team into its sets. With him on the court you can have structure to your offense and trust that the players who should get the ball get the ball. You might actually see Motiejunas get some touches when he’s on court with the subs!

     

    The other thing I like about Prigioni is that he’s explicitly not a ball-dominator. While I haven’t seen a ton of Knicks games, the times I have watched them he has been very willing to surrender control when it makes sense. He does not over-dribble, he does not look for his own shot at the expense of the rest of the team, and he is quite happy to let a teammate control the ball if need be (this was particularly obvious in New York where he played quite a bit with JR Smith). That skill set means that he will be a good fit if and when he is called on to play next to Harden, something that can’t be said about a lot of the PGs that were on the market.

     

    I don’t really care that there’s not a big ‘move the needle’ acquisition coming in at the deadline. Morey got that work done early by adding Corey Brewer and Josh Smith to the team, and that’s the way I like it because it gives those guys a lot more time to come in and get acclimated. I’d be worried if we were counting on a game-changing player arriving today and being expected to fit in with no issues come playoff time. The reality is that getting the pieces to fit together takes time - just ask Cleveland! Now is the time for shoring up the fringes of the rotation to put the overall roster in good shape come April, not for doing something drastic that will mean the coaching staff and players spend the rest of the season trying to get on the same page.


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    #2 King's Gambit Accepted

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      Posted 21 February 2015 - 05:29 PM

      thnx that was very insightful!


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      Fun stuff.  As is often the case, I do not share the assume-the-worst-because-I-disagree methodology discussed here.  You guys do know that Isaiah Canaan is a rich man's JJ Barea, right?  That's great and it makes him easy to root for, but Morey is building more than a lovable squad of over-achievers--he's looking to build a juggernaut that can fight it's way to an NBA championship.

       

      Canaan was one of his better trade chips that wasn't Jones/Motie.  He made a great showing early in the season and at that point Morey tucked him away like an Ace up a gambler's sleeve.  He had to in order to preserve that value.  Canaan is not as good as that small sample size indicated and to continue playing him would diminish that value.  It's Morey-nomics!  Trading Canaan for KJ McDaniels is a no-brainer.

       

      Trying to continue the McHale doesn't give young guys run narrative is possibly one of the greatest examples of subjective blindness I have seen since Jeremy Lin was here (so not that long  :P ).

       

      Saying D-Mo would not have played if Jones hadn't gotten hurt is hilarious when you realize it comes from a herd of stat heads who should know one of the Statistical Pillars of Faith: correlation does not imply causation.  Stating this as fact is a misnomer and is only allowed to pass as valid because there are so many who loathe McHale.  As McGuire noted, Motie did get run--and proved he wasn't ready each time.  To think he wasn't going to get another shot because McHale is a bumbling fool is a tad bit egotistical.

       

      Covington!?!?  Covington is intriguing, but let's not confuse romantic fantasy with NBA reality.  He may still develop into a solid two-way player, but that is not the case right now and aren't we all about "right now"?  Last I checked most around here are paranoid about how quickly our window is closing; yet, we should also be trotting out a bunch of guys who get torched in the D-League every night.....yeah, ummmmm....ok then.  You can't have it both ways.  Covington is a one-trick-pony who might develop, but Houston was wise to move him in order to add a player that can help now.  Besides, doesn't it feel like, more and more, Morey and Hinkie are helping each other out?

       

      "Here, take Royce White off my hands and have an Aldemir and a suitcase full of money for your troubles"

       

      "Here, have Covington for nothing...I'll call you later for a return on that favor"

       

      "Hey, can I give you Canaan and a 2nd rounder for that McDaniels kid?"

       

      (Seriously, could they have made a bigger 180 degree turn at PG?  Long, lanky, intriguing guy who can't shoot for short, stocky under-the-radar guy who is a lights out shooter.  Also, when does the NBA start investigating for collusion?)

       

      Meanwhile, McHale has spent the last 3 years "not" developing/playing the likes of Chandler Parsons, Jeremy Lin, Patrick Beverley, Patrick Patterson, Terrence Jones, Marcus Morris, as well as guys who can't catch on anywhere like T-Rob, Greg Smith, James Anderson, and Troy Daniels.  For those who are counting, that is 10 young guys who got run vs. the 3 who (allegedly) did not.  Blinders.

       

      It has to be remembered and noted that there is a difference between San Antonio and Houston.  You Sprockets always want things to work the same, but it couldn't be more different.  "We should do what San Antonio does!"  Well then, straight out of Pop's mouth: "Draft Tim Duncan..."  That's the secret to being able to operate the way they have for the last 15 years.

       

      You guys are aware that San Antonio doesn't even have a rookie on the roster this year, right?  Hmmm, no rookies last year either.  The year before that--Aron Baynes and Nando de Colo.  Baynes played 141 minutes that season in 16 games.  De Colo came in as a 25-year old Euro-Veteran who lasted 1.5 seasons before getting moved, but he did squeeze out 920 minutes off the bench.  Going back to the '11-'12 season, one finds 6 rookies: Kawhi, Cory Jospeh, Derrick Byars, Eric Dawson, Justin Dentmon, and Malcolm Thomas.  Obviously, not all of them were on the roster at the same time.  Of those, Dawson, Byars, Dentmon, and Thomas each saw 2-4 games of action apiece.  Joseph saw 266 minutes in 29 games.  Leonard saw 64 games (starting in 25 of them), but is a special case and is more outlier than anything else.

       

      Also, it should be noted that Cory Joseph was a top 10 high school recruit that went on the Rick Barnes' Memorial Highway to the NBA.  Come to UT for one year, completely under-perform, receive zero coaching, and lower your draft stock so that you wind up on a decent team.  If Joseph had gone to Kentucky he would have been a lottery pick.

       

      I could keep going.  Splitter was another 25-year old rookie who had already spent years playing pro ball.  Gary Neal was a 26-year old rookie.  I think the point is made.  Pop has the luxury of drafting for need, taking mature role player types, and knows he has years to develop them at their own pace--if they go faster then great.  If not, no problem.  Houston is not quite there yet.  Failure to recognize this is fascinating to me.


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        Posted 21 February 2015 - 09:24 PM

        I agree with you McGuire on your perspective on D-Mo last year. I saw a McHale pre-game interview on NBA TV after a back to back vs Memphis. In the interview the commentator asked how his team (Rockets) felt about playing Memphis two games in a row? McHale laughed about it being an experience for his young front court (D-Mo and Terrence). One of them was getting abused and McHale pulled him off the court yelling you have to get better position near the rim. The reply was, "well coach, ZBo is pushing me!" McHale responded, "No!", "Are you serious!", "That's what they are known for!"
        That reply could have been from either D-Mo or Terrence.......because I saw both getting abused in both games.

        I knew Covington was a player; as is Canaan.....but it's about money along with abilities. Rockets would have kept Tarik Black over Dorsey. One mans salary was guaranteed and the other was not. Covington was expendable due to his non-guaranteed money. In Dragic we wanted a facilitator so that Harden doesn't need to be on the court every minute of every game (excluding blowouts). Price was to high for a rental......Miami was on his short list; now I'm hearing reports Dragic feels LA Lakers are the ideal fit for him. "IF", Dragic bolts this summer to LA......Miami should be furious for giving up so much to get Dragic. But that's what you get for dealing with a spoiled brat throwing a tantrum. They tend to think and act on emotions.
        Other options the Rockets were rumored to obtain......1) Reggie Jackson, you know the Thunder we're going to ask for a ton from Houston because of Harden deal and the idea of meeting us with an inspired Jackson. Their goal is to reach the finals as well; not have two guys (Harden/Reggie) stopping them in the playoffs. Plus he is a scorer.....not very good at 3's or passing. 2) Ty Lawson was too pricy 3) Calderon was an option; but will be due roughly 7 mil next year......Prigi was cheaper and may be a little better defensively than Calderon. I love the KJ pickup. I can't believe they let him get away. McDaniels will be a solid player for years. I'm sure we will retain him this summer.

        Edited by Jatman20, 21 February 2015 - 09:28 PM.

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        #5 cointurtlemoose

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          Posted 21 February 2015 - 10:08 PM

          The Prigioni move is great. And I wonder what the plan is with McDaniels, if the thinking was merely, "trading a DNP asset and a 2nd rounder for a bigger DNP asset".

           

          Personally, I would love to see him getting 10 min a night, being a hound on D, and just doing crazy basketball things. I still say we need to conserve Ariza's and Jet's minutes as the playoffs approach, and I'd love for KJ to get some license. Like this Twolves game? I don't see any reason why McDaniels couldn't go out and get 10 minutes.

           

          And I think all this "developing" stuff is really hard to sort out. How much can we really know about the relationship of a player's growth (or lack thereof) and the head coach above that player? Is minutes played the only factor? (Though I agree, it is a big one). Some guys sort out, and some don't, under good coaches and bad coaches. Under McHale, guys seem to go both ways pretty evenly, despite or in spite of what McHale is directly responsible for. I mean, I would agree that a Popovich is better than a Brian Shaw. But I just think it's hard, from our outside perspective as a fan, to be too precise about it, especially with a guy like McHale, who has a track record of both playing rookies, and benching them.


          Edited by cointurtlemoose, 21 February 2015 - 10:10 PM.

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            Posted 21 February 2015 - 10:17 PM

            *Houston appears to have SG (2 deep at least-Harden/McDaniels-needs to re-sign & work on shooting this summer..see Smoove/Brewer 3p shooting after joining Rockets) SF (Ariza/Brewer/McDaniels) PF (D-Mo /Terrence) and C (D12)......positions set for next year.
            *The N. O. Pick will address the PG position (I expect a loss of Beverley in FA) or backup center. 1st Question is can Capela contribute at center next year? I feel D-Mo is adequate at center if need be. So the rest of the season is a rehearsal for Prigi to show us what he has....Starter?? Backup??
            He is due about $1.7 mil non-guaranteed next year. Second question is can Nick Johnson contribute as backup next season at PG?
            *If the Rockets can Re-sign Smoove and McDaniels this summer and go after say, a Mo Williams; IMO this team would be extremely dangerous! Slightly higher salary cap and luxury tax with apron next season and possibly trading Dorsey to shed salary in the summer. Morey may well be building a solid team for a few years.....at least the foundation is set.

            Edited by Jatman20, 21 February 2015 - 10:19 PM.

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            Posted 21 February 2015 - 10:49 PM

            How is it that Dragic is getting raked over the coals, but Jackson and Kanter are not?  Is it because we wanted him and feel a little bitter?  Sure, Dragic took it further by openly stating he would only consider re-signing with certain teams, but he isn't the first to have done that.  I suppose one could see that as being a "spoiled brat".  On the other hand, one could recognize that he is aware of his limited time as an elite player and wants an opportunity to play the way he wants to play during that time.  It may not be about a championship for him.  Instead, he may just want to play the way he enjoys playing.  I don't know--and neither does anyone else, but the sour grapes are strong when it comes to Dragic.

             

            As for Miami, they chose to trade for him so they cannot be angry when he leaves--it's not like he wasn't crystal clear about how he felt.

             

            Getting back to player development.  That is not McHale's job directly.  We have an assistant coach, Brent Johnson I believe, who is directly in charge of that (and quite a few other guys).  Add to that our use of the RGV Vipers and I feel McHale is 3rd in line, at best, for responsibility here.

             

            McHale has a "track record" of playing rooks and benching them?  Really?  I can only assume this is based off of the subjective views and desires of fans and not anything remotely close to an official count or measure.  He is trying to win.  He has had major roster turnover every single season he has been here.  He has had new rookies to deal with every single season.  By my count, every single one of those rookies saw the floor or were permanently assigned to the D-League.  Are we really castigating McHale for not running his team like the Sixers do?

             

            There is simply no evidence of any of this.  There does happen to be a huge pile of internet vitriol claiming he does this.  Look, I found one of them here:

             

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            The evidence that McHale does successfully develop players (if we are going to give him all the credit) is overwhelming versus the claims that he is all the other things he has been called.  In fact, all I can find for the latter is the rants of fans who have no more idea what is happening than any other outsider could.

             

            The reality is McHale's job is to win and make the playoffs.  We only have 4 players that were on the team just two seasons ago: Harden, Bev, Jones, and Motie.  Yet, we are looking at our 3rd straight playoff appearance and have done it all without posting a losing record playing in the Western Conference since 2006.

             

            I would love for someone to produce actual data, evidence, or anything resembling a fact that supports the McHale doesn't develop/play his young guys.  I get that everyone loved Canaan (I did too), but don't be delusional.  Go look at his numbers.  Like it or not, Jason Terry, and all of his faults, was just as viable an option as Canaan to be on the floor.

             

            Don't take my word for it.  Listen to Sam Hinkie.

             

             

             

            "He has played with Robert Covington last year. He's played fine in his limited stints in the NBA. He's had limited stints for a reason. He's played for a very good team. He wouldn't be the first player with the Sixers to come from a good team and surprise if he stepped into our lineup." LINK

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              Posted 21 February 2015 - 11:27 PM

              Getting back to player development.  That is not McHale's job directly.  We have an assistant coach, Brent Johnson I believe, who is directly in charge of that (and quite a few other guys).  Add to that our use of the RGV Vipers and I feel McHale is 3rd in line, at best, for responsibility here.

               

              McHale has a "track record" of playing rooks and benching them?  Really?  I can only assume this is based off of the subjective views and desires of fans and not anything remotely close to an official count or measure.  He is trying to win.  He has had major roster turnover every single season he has been here.  He has had new rookies to deal with every single season.  By my count, every single one of those rookies saw the floor or were permanently assigned to the D-League.  Are we really castigating McHale for not running his team like the Sixers do?

               

              Wait, I think you totally misunderstood what I said (or I wasn't clear). I'm agreeing with you.

               

              What I meant is that McHale sometimes plays rookies, sometimes he benches them, like any other coach in the league does. In other words, I'm saying McHale's "developing" or "not developing" his young players looks practically identical to what most competent head coaches do, in terms of substitutions. My point was that from a mere fan's perspective, the act of assigning the success or demise of any given player directly to McHale's responsibilities/actions is very speculative, and probably misdirected.


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                Posted 22 February 2015 - 08:38 PM

                "Up until now that has led for a rather chaotic approach when the starters sit - the bench mob can be incredibly effective when they’re generating turnovers and getting out on the break, but often struggle in the half court. Prigioni has a career’s worth of experience in managing the game and getting his team into its sets. With him on the court you can have structure to your offense and trust that the players who should get the ball get the ball. You might actually see Motiejunas get some touches when he’s on court with the subs!"

                Nailed it. Also, I think we may be expecting too much from McDanies. He made some big plays for a terrible team, but it's not like he was a scoring machine. His PER is under 11. We are just talking about the 34th pick.
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                  Posted 23 February 2015 - 05:42 AM

                  Also, I think we may be expecting too much from McDanies. He made some big plays for a terrible team, but it's not like he was a scoring machine. His PER is under 11. We are just talking about the 34th pick.


                  I agree. I would be very surprised if he makes the rotation. I think he is only on the roster for leverage for bevs next contract. Not that bev is doing himself any favours in that regard.
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                    Posted 23 February 2015 - 10:40 AM

                    Canaan  shooting 3s 4-9  in philly vs magic

                     

                    We already had Lowry and Dragic only to long for them afterwards....hey look!  there's a shiny object in the river!


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                    Posted 23 February 2015 - 05:13 PM

                    Wait, I think you totally misunderstood what I said (or I wasn't clear). I'm agreeing with you.

                     

                    What I meant is that McHale sometimes plays rookies, sometimes he benches them, like any other coach in the league does. In other words, I'm saying McHale's "developing" or "not developing" his young players looks practically identical to what most competent head coaches do, in terms of substitutions. My point was that from a mere fan's perspective, the act of assigning the success or demise of any given player directly to McHale's responsibilities/actions is very speculative, and probably misdirected.

                     

                    Agreed.  I think some people treat the NBA like junior varsity high school athletics.  This is the big boy league and there is no crying.  If a player is good enough to see the court I can't imagine a scenario where a coach won't play him that doesn't involve major off-court issues or a pending trade that necessitates preventing injury/devaluation.

                     

                    James Harden does not get enough credit for carrying a team that has had to utilize so many young players and with such high roster turnover.  In like manner, McHale seems to mainly get criticized as the Rockets quietly roll along as the third seed.  In a land of giants, we are one of them and, for many fans, that is not enough.


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                    #13 thejohnnygold

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                    Posted 23 February 2015 - 05:43 PM

                    Canaan  shooting 3s 4-9  in philly vs magic

                     

                    We already had Lowry and Dragic only to long for them afterwards....hey look!  there's a shiny object in the river!

                     

                    Yup, and he was 5-12 overall with 3 assists and 3 turnovers in 29 minutes and zero free throws.  He committed 5 fouls.

                     

                    On the flip side, Elfrid "can't shoot" Payton flirted with a triple double.  He posted 10 points, 8 rebs, 7 asts, a steal, and one turnover while drawing 4 shooting fouls.

                     

                    Oh, and they lost.

                     

                    Everyone around here knows and understands the Lowry & Dragic situation.  Trying to flame Morey/McHale for that just won't work.

                     

                    If you want to believe that McHale is a PG killer (A narrative strongly propogated by those who shall not be named) then go ahead.  The truth is Lowry was immature and looks back on that time with regret.  Dragic, as we have seen just recently, values his talents very highly and Morey simply wasn't going to hitch his wagon to Goran before getting the "stars" he was looking for in Harden and Howard.  It would have killed our cap and we'd be like the scrappy Suns--fun to root for and watch, but on the outside looking in when it came playoff time.


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                      Posted 23 February 2015 - 06:22 PM

                      Noel is their only player that would see any minutes on even a borderline playoff team, someones got to put up numbers. 


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                      #15 YaoMan

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                        Posted 23 February 2015 - 10:04 PM

                        Canaan is not as good as that small sample size indicated and to continue playing him would diminish that value.

                         

                        Covington!?!?  Covington is intriguing, but let's not confuse romantic fantasy with NBA reality. 

                        Nail hit right between the eyes...

                        Agree and while I like Canaan a lot, I think he lacked consistency or else he would have been playing as soon as he came back from injury. It's pretty clear as day that if Canaan had the PG capability that the Rockets sorely needed, he would have gotten more burn. Something in practice probably indicated that he wasn't going to direct the show on a very stacked bench. (Just don't tell Steven! I think he went way too much on his emotions to say he and Covington will lead the Sixers to the playoffs!)

                        I see the conspiracy for the PG Killer theory but that's not really holding any weight with this team. Harden is that person in Houston and finding one who is willing to play the 2nd creator off the bench is a tough call (see D Collison, Jackson, Thomas, etc and countless PG who did not want to run a 2nd unit for a playoff team) - something you pointed out to me around mid-season last year, JG.


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                          Posted 24 February 2015 - 06:24 AM

                          Johnny, you're pretty bullish on the Popovich/Canaan stuff, and you make some strong points. But how many of those young guys you listed had such an important skill (shooting) ready made from day one? He had excellent defensive metrics, so you can't point to that, the usual problem with playing young guys. And his shooting was tailor made for a James harden offense. I still no reason why he couldn't get some burn with the team. And if he had played, failed, and was given up on, so be it. But he was never given a real chance. Shame.
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                            Posted 24 February 2015 - 06:26 AM

                            One more thing

                            "Like it or not, Jason Terry, and all of his faults, was just as viable an option as Canaan to be on the floor."

                            It's right there. "Just as viable". Not superior, not obvious. The problem with that is one player was 23 with 2 years of a dirt cheap contract left. The other, 37 and expiring.
                            I get veteran savvy. But he should have been playing, developing.
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                            Posted 24 February 2015 - 07:30 AM

                            One more thing

                            "Like it or not, Jason Terry, and all of his faults, was just as viable an option as Canaan to be on the floor."

                            It's right there. "Just as viable". Not superior, not obvious. The problem with that is one player was 23 with 2 years of a dirt cheap contract left. The other, 37 and expiring.
                            I get veteran savvy. But he should have been playing, developing.

                             

                            You're right.  Which is why my main belief as to why Canaan didn't get playing time is he could only hurt his trade value.  I don't think Morey had him in his long term view for the team.  His ceiling is probably Nate Robinson on a god day--which is pretty good.  If you have a guy like that you play him....or you trade him.

                             

                            It's the same deal with Michael Carter-Williams in Philly.  Hinkie decided Williams wasn't the home run he was looking for so he shipped him out for another crack at it (LA's lottery pick).  It helps him keep tanking and gives him another chance to draft a stud player.

                             

                            Ultimately, I think the Rockets graded Canaan as trade fodder and spent the season looking for a team that wanted a 3 pt. bomber and had an intriguing asset for us.  Lo and behold, KJ McDaniels fits that mold.

                             

                            I have no doubt they are going to spend the next 8 months trying to teach him to shoot (especially from deep).  If he can add 8-10 points to that 3 pt% then we got ourselves a major upgrade.

                             

                            I have no idea what actually went on with Canaan.  This is just my opinion.  I think the McHale is anti-point guard and anti-rookie thing is a convenient way to cast aspersion and make him into a scapegoat when things don't go the way people want.  It wasn't long ago that people claimed McHale was destroying D-Mo's confidence, etc., etc....in fact, some still see it as more of a Forrest Gump-like fluke than anything else.

                             

                            For those wondering why Jones was seeing the floor more at the beginning of the season instead of D-Mo, let tonight's Minny game serve as an easy example.  Jones had 15 boards (9 offensive) and D-Mo had 3 (0 offensive).  In a game that featured 117 total missed shots I think D-Mo could maybe grab more than 3 of those in his 30 minutes of playing time (that doesn't even include missed free throw opportunities).  I mean, Dorsey grabbed 4 rebounds (2 offensive) in 6 minutes.

                             

                            Also, we happened to have some guy named Dwight who was our post guy at that time as well.


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                            Posted 24 February 2015 - 07:37 PM

                            This article/interview from Sam Hinkie just came out.  It is much clearer on the subject of player valuation and team building.

                             

                            LINK


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