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@  majik19 : (13 October 2015 - 09:09 PM) Apparently we claimed Arsalan Kazemi off waivers from the Hawks today... yet another undersized (6'7") power forward for Morey's cupboard.
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@  Mario Peña : (07 October 2015 - 04:09 PM) It was fun to have the Rockets on last night! Right now I'm watching the Celtics versus Milan and Alessandro Gentile is impressive.
@  jorgeaam : (06 October 2015 - 07:47 PM) Well, thinking twice about it, I'd rather have him score less and have the team as a whole do better. Lawson should take a lot of his load off
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@  thejohnnygold : (29 September 2015 - 05:16 AM) FYI, it was media day today. Interviews are up at NBA.com
@  slick shoes : (23 September 2015 - 06:37 PM) kind of late in the day but NBATV is broadcasting classis Rockets games all day today.
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#1 marbony81110

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 07:00 PM

So I'm reading this article on NBA Insider and I see that the Rockets and Harden's improvement are still being scrutinized. I like how the Rockets defensive success is questioned by their strength of schedule (.465) while the Warriors defensive success is praised with no mention of their SoS (.462). I think it is kind of funny, but still irks me a bit. How can it not be irksome? This kind of reinforces my belief and observation that the Rockets are the red-headed step child and the Warriors are Jesus reincarnate walking on water. SMH

 

I have attached the article below for those without Insider accounts.

 

Truth about James Harden's D

 

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James Harden has been much maligned in the past for his defense, and rightfully so, as his effort on that end has been less than exemplary. With the Rockets off to a 16-4 start despite the continued absence of Dwight Howard, and ranking second in the league in defensive efficiency, allowing 96.5 points per 100 possessions, it's fair to ask whether Harden has indeed improved as a defender.

In fact, Rockets general manager Daryl Morey even retweeted a YouTube supercut of Harden's "improvement" as a defender, declaring him a "two-way player" and an MVP candidate. Is he right?

Ground rules

A few things: First, Harden is a fine player, one of the best offensive weapons in the league, albeit one with a sometimes aesthetically unpleasing style. He's already a legitimate MVP candidate, regardless of whether he's experienced an awakening on the defensive end. The idea that the MVP must be a dominant force on both ends of the floor is flawed; it's nice but not necessary.

Second, there's a difference between saying "he's improved" versus "he's a two-way player."

Third, when dealing with defense, there's a level of nuance to be exercised (especially when examining a limited segment of games). It's tempting to look up numbers and run with them, but defense is a "process > results" endeavor; it's just as important to do it the right way as it is to end up with the right result, because winning at the highest level requires execution above all else.

OK, let's get on with it.

Has Harden really improved?

How much of that Rockets D can be attributed to him? Harden's effort level has improved for sure; he's exerting more effort, he's following plays more often and he can string together several possessions in a row without massive defensive breaches.

For him, this constitutes a vast improvement, but this is also akin to the famous Chris Rock standup where he chastises people who proudly make statements like "I take care of MY kids!" That's what you're supposed to do -- it is literally the bare minimum we can ask of any player on the defensive end: burn a calorie.

While a team defensive improvement of this magnitude probably can't be achieved without Harden's improvement, there are other factors that contribute just as much. The addition ofTrevor Ariza in the offseason was a tremendous pickup, one that I applauded immediately as an upgrade over the departed Chandler Parsons because Ariza's defensive talents were needed more than Parsons' scoring. Ariza's presence allows the Rockets to "hide" Harden on less complex offensive options; that's not a knock on them (that's the smart thing to do!), but it should be recognized.

Is he a two-way player?

In a word, no. The term "two-way" player is reserved for those who consistently show the ability to be productive on both ends (remembering "productive on the defensive end" is more than just the bottom-line tally). Klay ThompsonPaul GeorgeJimmy ButlerKawhi Leonard -- those are the two-way wings of our league. Why isn't Harden? Let's see why.

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Poor body language: Harden still exhibits poor body language when playing off ball. In the example above, Harden is matched up with Jameer Nelson, who has cut to the top of the key to go into a dribble handoff with Parsons before going into a pick-and-roll with Tyson Chandler. Because of Harden's lackadaisical approach (commonly known as a "dead body" in coach parlance), he's incapable of reacting quick enough when Nelson goes into his live cut, playing catchup and compromising the team defense. Chandler gets the lob for the dunk, and the slow reaction from the weakside defender is partially to blame, but that play never develops if Harden is more ready to guard Nelson.

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Ball-watching: Harden also is still an infamous ball-watcher, showing poor awareness of weakside action, something teams will actively make part of their game plan.

In the above composite screen shot from different games, we see two examples of Harden fixated on the ball and losing track of his man. On the right side, Harden's in a no-man's land; he's not in position to help on the Blake Griffin post-up, or take out DeAndre Jordan's legs to prevent the lob play, or close out to J.J. Redick, but perhaps the most damning part is he doesn't show any recognition of where Redick is. Fading up or down the 3-point line will render any desperate closeout to be misdirected.

The same occurs on the left, where Jameer Nelson has fed Dirk Nowitzki on the high post and moved away along the 3-point line. You can argue that Ariza is playing free safety and will rotate to the first kickout, but Harden's not really aware of where Monta Ellis (the next rotation) is either. Also, notice his straight-up-and-down stance; again, he's a dead body, not an active help defender.

Part of what's helped the Rockets' defensive surge has been their ability to apply "Mathketball" principles (which they've mastered on the offensive end) to their defense; namely, preventing 3s, layups and fouls. It's clear they've instructed their players to run shooters off the 3-point line, with help defense stepping up to prevent penetration and encourage the midrange pull-up. Harden has taken this directive and applied it with zest, often exaggeratedly flying by shooters in an effort to discourage the 3. On many nights, this won't be an issue, as lesser offensive players will either pump-fake and swing or try to drive hard to the paint.

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Wild closeouts: In the screenshot above, Harden's flying by Stephen Curry while the help defense is ready to step up and stop potential penetration.

The problem is Curry's a great shooter who is also a brilliant offensive player. He sees the defense rotating, and rather than drive, he sidesteps along the 3-point line and takes a shot that has no chance of being contested by anyone other than Harden -- had he not gone Olympic long jump with his closeout. Harden could still execute the team defensive principle (run shooters off the 3-point line) without overcommitting to the point of not having any chance of recovery.

These aren't cherry-picked breakdowns but rather examples of how Harden routinely plays defense. On many nights, these issues do not actually manifest themselves into made baskets for the opponent, either due to lack of recognition or lack of execution.

It doesn't hurt that 11 of Houston's games have come against teams that are below .500 and they've played the 20th most difficult schedule, according to Hollinger's Power Rankings. But the main point is that even though the results are improved, the process still has a long way to go, and ultimately, it's the process that will determine how good the Rockets defense will be when it really matters.


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#2 thejohnnygold

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Posted 09 December 2014 - 08:19 PM

I think this picture about sums it up....

 

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Completely biased, skewed, subjective reporting.  I particularly enjoyed how the writer anticipated certain inevitable critiques and dismissed them with the authority of Obi-Wan-Kenobi dismissing storm troopers

 

These aren't the droids you're looking for...

 

These aren't cherry picked breakdowns...

 

Really?  You conjured 4 photographs (stills, no less--at least give us some video!) that encapsulate the entirety of James Harden's defense in 20 games this season?  Impressive....Most Impressive.

 

This guy's diction and focus all lead the reader by the nose to the conclusion that Harden still sucks, Houston has gotten lucky to win its games, and any real changes are due to the other players, not James.  

 

This LINK shows the truth about the standings.

 

In the East, Toronto is legit.  The only other team with a winning record against teams above .500 is Cleveland at 5-4.

 

In the Weast, GS and Portland have feasted on sub .500 teams having played 13 games against those scrubs.  Houston and San Antonio sport the most impressive stats: 6-3 and 7-3, respectively, versus teams above .500.

 

What has the pundits wowed is the 13-2 record GS has in blowouts (10 pts or more).

 

The one thing this author is correct about is it is still early and time will bear all this out.  I like what I'm seeing out of Houston and am going to love it when all these guys have to watch us play deep into the post-season knowing how much they hate it.


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Posted 09 December 2014 - 09:29 PM

That picture is perfect JG! It is what it is, like ST has been saying, it is going to take a while to change the perception of the media/non-rockets fans. I just find it hilarious how he throws in 11 of our wins have come against teams under .500 (is that even correct?) I'm looking at the stats on ESPN, and it says we have a record of 6-3 against teams above .500, and a 10-1 against sub .500 teams. Anyhow, which top team in the league doesn't have 10+ wins against sub .500 teams? If you are good, you are going to get a lot of wins against inferior opponents... that's normally how it works. 

 

Top teams in the West wins vs. sub .500 teams

GSW- 13 wins

HOU- 10 wins

POR- 13 wins 

MEM- 10 wins

SA- 8 wins (lowest in the top 7 seeds, but they also have 2 losses)

LAC- 11 wins 

DAL- 10 wins (they also have 2 losses as well)

 

So looking at those totals, why does he feel it's necessary to talk about how many wins against sub .500 teams we have when it seems we are right about average out of the top 7 teams in the west? I mean I know it shouldn't matter to us as fans, but other people read this crap and just regurgitate it every time the Rockets and/or James or Dwight is brought up. "Easy schedule, live by the 3, Coach McFail, no d Haren!!" man it gets annoying. The reason these casual observers of the NBA have these "opinions", is because that is what the media shoves down their throats. They could start saying Klay Thompson is the best SG in the league, and people would probably start believing them... oh wait that has already happened. I'm just tired of the lack of effort on their part. He literally picked 4 photos, and then precedes to say these aren't cherry picked examples... I mean if people can't see the absurdity in that comment alone, then I don't know what to do anymore. Sorry to rant, but we have non-paid contributors on this board that put in 100 times the amount of effort in one post, than the "journalists" do for an entire article. And this goes for a good number of the teams they cover, not just the Rockets. The Rockets are just getting slammed right now, because no "expert" thought they would be relevant this year, and despite 1,000 injuries, we still have the second best record in the league. They don't want to admit that they couldn't have been more wrong. 


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    Posted 09 December 2014 - 10:14 PM

    I think this picture about sums it up....

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    Completely biased, skewed, subjective reporting. I particularly enjoyed how the writer anticipated certain inevitable critiques and dismissed them with the authority of Obi-Wan-Kenobi dismissing storm troopers

    These aren't the droids you're looking for...

    These aren't cherry picked breakdowns...

    Really? You conjured 4 photographs (stills, no less--at least give us some video!) that encapsulate the entirety of James Harden's defense in 20 games this season? Impressive....Most Impressive.

    This guy's diction and focus all lead the reader by the nose to the conclusion that Harden still sucks, Houston has gotten lucky to win its games, and any real changes are due to the other players, not James.

    This LINK shows the truth about the standings.

    In the East, Toronto is legit. The only other team with a winning record against teams above .500 is Cleveland at 5-4.

    In the Weast, GS and Portland have feasted on sub .500 teams having played 13 games against those scrubs. Houston and San Antonio sport the most impressive stats: 6-3 and 7-3, respectively, versus teams above .500.

    What has the pundits wowed is the 13-2 record GS has in blowouts (10 pts or more).

    The one thing this author is correct about is it is still early and time will bear all this out. I like what I'm seeing out of Houston and am going to love it when all these guys have to watch us play deep into the post-season knowing how much they hate it.
    It is getting really funny now. The guy who wrote this article is now on Twitter saying that Harden is a bad defender. He has been challenged by users asking how harden can be a bad if his Win shares, def rtg, steals, and blocks are all good. He says "you cannot look at stats, it is all eye test." He also goes on to say those stats are indicative of good team defense & what team is not going to be good w/ Bev, Ariza, & Howard. When Tweeters point out Bev & Howard have not played much. he then goes to strength of schedule. When he is shown the Warriors have had an easier schedule, he just says he is done talking.
    This Rockets team is reminding me more and more the late 80s pistons by the amount of hate it is getting. To be honest, I am enjoying it. it makes wins that much sweeter.
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    Posted 09 December 2014 - 11:05 PM

    Is this Amin Elhassan we're talking about? He has a habit of trying to take the contrary view when something like this comes up. I get the impression that if you badger him too much with a point of view (which presumably people did on Twitter when this video surfaced) he goes out of his way to try to demolish it instead of being willing to find the truth in the middle.

     

    He's trying to prove that the statement "Harden is a good defender now" is untrue, when really that's missing the point. Harden just needs to 'not be atrocious', which he isn't. The offensive brilliance he shows is no longer overshadowed by him being a defensive liability in the same way it was last season.

     

    Personally I don't see a ton of bias against the Rockets in the national media (or at least, not any more than the average non-glamour team gets). We're getting recognition in the places I pay attention to - Zach Lowe mentioned the Rockets' record given their injuries as the biggest surprise on the BS Report today, for example. We are playing well, but the Warriors have won 13 in a row - of course they're going to be the headline news at this point.

     

    And a final thought to bear in mind. It could be a lot worse, we could be Portland. Have you seen a single mention of them in the national media despite their 16-4 start? I haven't. None of the East Coast writers can be bothered to stay up to watch their games.

     

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    Posted 09 December 2014 - 11:54 PM

    Is this Amin Elhassan we're talking about? He has a habit of trying to take the contrary view when something like this comes up. I get the impression that if you badger him too much with a point of view (which presumably people did on Twitter when this video surfaced) he goes out of his way to try to demolish it instead of being willing to find the truth in the middle.

     

    He's trying to prove that the statement "Harden is a good defender now" is untrue, when really that's missing the point. Harden just needs to 'not be atrocious', which he isn't. The offensive brilliance he shows is no longer overshadowed by him being a defensive liability in the same way it was last season.

     

    Personally I don't see a ton of bias against the Rockets in the national media (or at least, not any more than the average non-glamour team gets). We're getting recognition in the places I pay attention to - Zach Lowe mentioned the Rockets' record given their injuries as the biggest surprise on the BS Report today, for example. We are playing well, but the Warriors have won 13 in a row - of course they're going to be the headline news at this point.

     

    And a final thought to bear in mind. It could be a lot worse, we could be Portland. Have you seen a single mention of them in the national media despite their 16-4 start? I haven't. None of the East Coast writers can be bothered to stay up to watch their games.

     

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    I don't have any issue with how often or how little they talk about the Rockets. My issue is with the lack of journalistic integrity. How can you possibly have 4 screenshots of questionable defense, and then proceed to say that it happens all the time? Use something to back it up. Show how James' opponents are shooting a better percentage when spotting up because he ball watches all the time. He can't because it has been false so far this season. Poor body language...? I wouldn't even know where to begin with that one. I guarantee I can find more clips of James closing out properly vs. out of control. He found one picture of James jumping at Steph Curry (you know possibly the best 3 pt shooter of all time), and said Harden does happens all the time. He found screenshots to support his narrative. None of the stats backed up what he was saying, so he decided just to leave all of them out. Did not include one single statistic in this entire article. I'm not a huge fan of defensive statistics, but I also recognize that stats, along with the "eye test", help give you a better picture of what a players value is to a team defensively. I find it quite odd that in a day and age where everyone is quick to throw out advanced statistics, Elhassan chooses not to, and I wholeheartedly believe it was because he couldn't find any to support his narrative. He decided to give us his "eye-test" of a player that he has probably watched play a total of 3 times this year. Journalists have a platform to influence many people, and the very least they should do is provide factual information. Not pick 4 photos and say "ehhhh just trust me, he does it all the time". 


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      Posted 10 December 2014 - 09:01 AM

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        Posted 10 December 2014 - 09:01 AM

        I love reading and listening to grantland but besides zach lowe (who is the best) all i hear about is how boring the rockets are. Harden and Howard shooting free throws. Oh well opinions are like..... How long did it take for people to realise the spurs weren't boring?
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          Posted 10 December 2014 - 09:16 AM

          I love reading and listening to grantland but besides zach lowe (who is the best) all i hear about is how boring the rockets are. Harden and Howard shooting free throws. Oh well opinions are like..... How long did it take for people to realise the spurs weren't boring?

          Some still think they are.
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          Posted 10 December 2014 - 03:29 PM

          This was nice to hear, but then again I am a Rockets fan :)

           

          http://espn.go.com/e...lay?id=12002989


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            Posted 10 December 2014 - 05:43 PM

            The original article is partially right, but obviously overstated.

             

            There are still instances where Harden is slow to react on PR defense, and where he falls asleep off-ball (ball watching). But these are all tempered by many trips down the floor where he's keenly attentive, even proactive in either forcing a player into a hard situation, or in jumping into a passing lane for a steal, or collapsing down for unexpected double teams, or even stopping backdoor cuts. I mean that's the whole reason why the defensive numbers are there in the first place. Guys don't just hand you the ball.

             

            It's actually exactly what you'd expect from a guy learning to get better: significant improvement as well as some of the old, bad tendencies lingering. But "he's improving, and he's now an acceptable defender" won't get you as many clicks I guess...


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            Posted 10 December 2014 - 11:19 PM

            If you all would like to enjoy a well-written, well-researched breakdown of James' defense so far through the season, then take a gander at this http://tinyurl.com/oe6uome

             

            Now it is a pro-Harden article, so of course I am going to enjoy it more  :P, but the main thing I wanted to show is how different this article is from that caca that Elhassan wrote. Notice there are actually stats to go along with his eye test.


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            Posted 11 December 2014 - 12:33 AM

            If you all would like to enjoy a well-written, well-researched breakdown of James' defense so far through the season, then take a gander at this http://tinyurl.com/oe6uome

             

            Now it is a pro-Harden article, so of course I am going to enjoy it more  :P, but the main thing I wanted to show is how different this article is from that caca that Elhassan wrote. Notice there are actually stats to go along with his eye test.

             

            A great read txtdo, and man Amin sounds like an idiot, he goes on in the spreecast on espn that you don't know basketball if you think steals and blocks are a measure of defense still. Which is true...100 percent, those are marks of athleticism and gambling tendencies nothing more. But, he obviously never played team sports at a high level/competitive level. On defense especially (and really true for basketball) if you are surrounded by better players then you are affected positively both in habits, results, and process mostly because your not afraid to take risks and put forth the effort because those around you are doing so, and more importantly you have confidence that they are going to be in the right place at the right time so are not worried about looking bad if they mess up and covering your ass.

             

            Now, Harden is not an all-nba defender all of sudden like clyde likes to say. Harden does get the benefit of covering the less explosive players in the nba now, which is awesome, and something I mentioned way back when we got ariza in the summer. And yes, Harden's apparent defense is unequivocally better because of this, yet it is also (somewhat surprisingly and very rewarding as a fan) true that Harden is trying more on that end of the floor. Most obvious evidence of this is his rebounding efforts. And based on the article the increase in contested shots. The decrease in percentage being so high is a combo imho of the increased contesting and lower skill level of his marks. 

             

            So in conclusion, is Harden better because he now plays with bev, ariza, dmo, and Howard instead of bev/lin, parsons, tjones, Howard? Yes, unequivocally this is a huge catalyst for his improvement. But, that does not in any way demean or decrease the fact that he is trying and producing more on defense. In fact, I say the biggest change that the change in line-up caused to happen is exactly that, a measurable and seeable improvement due to increased trust, responsibility, and importance this new line-up puts on defense. Separating Harden's improvement (or lack there of) defensively from the team's improvement is idiotic both ways...one is fully dependent on the other. I believe this is called direct correlation.


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            Posted 11 December 2014 - 04:01 AM

            Here is a nicely done article regarding Harden's offense.  LINK


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