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@ Mario Peña	:	(10 October 2015 - 01:12 PM) If your part if the Red94 Fantasy Basketball League check the thread to vote for the date and time for the draft event. Thanks y'all!
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@ slick shoes	:	(07 October 2015 - 06:50 PM) Kobe ranked one spot higher than Ariza? Is this based on legacy or...??
@ slick shoes	:	(07 October 2015 - 04:13 PM) It was hard to keep up with both the Astros and Rockets at the same time. Should be interesting on Thursday with the Texans and Astros on simultaneously.
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@ thejohnnygold	:	(29 September 2015 - 05:16 AM) FYI, it was media day today. Interviews are up at NBA.com
@ slick shoes	:	(23 September 2015 - 06:37 PM) kind of late in the day but NBATV is broadcasting classis Rockets games all day today.
@ SadLakerFan	:	(16 September 2015 - 04:37 AM) Man, as a Laker fan, I'm learning how little you care about the off season when your team sucks. Anyway, a quick moment to remember Moses. Still remember watching the 81 team as a kid - losing record, NBA Finals. I would have cried w/joy if they could have beaten the Celtics.
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@ jorgeaam	:	(15 September 2015 - 08:30 PM) So to celebrate his new contract, Montrezl Harrell saved someone's life on monday
@ thejohnnygold	:	(14 September 2015 - 04:36 PM) A good article from Blinebury talking about when Hakeem and Moses used to play in the park. LINK
@ rockets best...	:	(14 September 2015 - 02:29 AM) I agree totally. I got to watch his Rocket days and the man was a hell of a player. BIG MO R.I.P.

My worst nightmare realized: Trevor Ariza returns to the Houston Rockets

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#141 rockets best fan

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 09:25 PM

@bladad

good thought you were trolling there for a minute :lol: nobody is saying Morey is perfect. what I am saying is faced with the situation Morey was faced with I would have done the exact same thing. Morey didn't have the advantage of looking into a crystal ball, however when confronted with options that didn't look favorable to the Rockets......he backed away. in the Parsons decision to release him early (aside from wink/wink deals) you damned if you do and damned if you don't. he went for it.......I applaud that. to make scrambled eggs you have to break some. no it didn't work out like we hoped, however instead of sobbing in his tears he made a move on Ariza that plugged the hole at half the price and moved on. what's wrong with that? we still are in position to be predatory

Edited by rockets best fan, 15 July 2014 - 09:26 PM.

you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own

#142 thejohnnygold

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 09:26 PM

But when forum members just parrot a GM's excuse for why FA hasn't gone well and point out that Parsons should have done the team a favor by taking less, that's when I look at some of you with a completely befuddled look. It just seems like some of you are so blinded by your fandom that you can't acknowledge the problems in the organization.

Ummmm, totally disagree with this. Who is "parroting" Morey....we were all taking our stances before Morey spoke out. How does that work? We are not saying Parsons should have done anyone a favor. No wonder there is no agreement around here....there is simply no understanding.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:09 PM

I am. I loved their style of play and was excited when all the free agent signings lined up. I cheer for all the successes that they have. I also understand that they play in the West and have to go through hell and back to make it to the Finals. With that in mind, I also realize the current limitations of the team personnel wise and coaching wise. I'm going to call the team's poor defensive play poor. I'm not going to try to excuse Parsons(RIP), Lin(RIP), or Harden's defensive lapses. But when forum members just parrot a GM's excuse for why FA hasn't gone well and point out that Parsons should have done the team a favor by taking less, that's when I look at some of you with a completely befuddled look. It just seems like some of you are so blinded by your fandom that you can't acknowledge the problems in the organization.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the reason this forum exists is to discuss the problems as well as the successes in the organization. Otherwise were just a bunch of dudes posting pictures of cats and older SNL skits.

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#144 bladad

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:31 PM

One of the best SG in the league that had injury concerns as well. He had played 44 games the season leading up to the extension and had missed the playoffs as well. His "discount" was a product of both his perceived lack of durability and injury plagued season combined with the fact that he was playing off the bench.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:33 PM

Ummmm, totally disagree with this. Who is "parroting" Morey....we were all taking our stances before Morey spoke out. How does that work? We are not saying Parsons should have done anyone a favor. No wonder there is no agreement around here....there is simply no understanding.

I've mentioned specific posts and posters that seem to believe that Parson's new contract wasn't earned or was excessive. I was simply pointing out that the aforementioned statement is preposterous. I should be more accurate by posting using the @poster tag.

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 11:59 PM

@bladad

Parsons contract was excessive and unearned. how is that preposterous? you're saying he's worth 15 mil per? that's preposterous. role players should make role player money, not star money. if we match that contract we would have been paying Parsons and Harden the same pay. do you think they are in the same category in talent or potential?

you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own

#147 Steven

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 12:09 AM

@bladad
Parsons contract was excessive and unearned. how is that preposterous? you're saying he's worth 15 mil per? that's preposterous. role players should make role player money, not star money. if we match that contract we would have been paying Parsons and Harden the same pay. do you think they are in the same category in talent or potential?

But he is a "star". At least in his own head, and Cuban's. Honestly, it only takes one.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 02:14 AM

One of the best SG in the league that had injury concerns as well. He had played 44 games the season leading up to the extension and had missed the playoffs as well. His "discount" was a product of both his perceived lack of durability and injury plagued season combined with the fact that he was playing off the bench.

See, if you're going to play that card then how do Parsons' known back issues not apply? Tall dudes with back problems don't normally heal. It is especially worrisome when they start early as his did. Call it what you want. Ginobili has long been considered an elite SG. He could have easily put himself on the market and received a max to near max offer. Instead, his salary slowly increased by roughly $1M per year from 2004 ($6M) through 2013 ($14M).

Cuban has always gone about his business by making player happiness priority #1--and there is nothing wrong with that--I support it. Many players have sung his praises and he has always gone out of his way to give them everything they could possibly want. Let's not forget, it was only a few years ago that he made some very unpopular and shrewd moves in trying to deal with the salary cap in order to maintain the ability to chase stars (Howard and Williams specifically) and broke up a championship team.

Morey is trying to build a champion. Parsons, in signing that contract (paired with the Bosh snub) signed his ticket out of Houston. Nothing wrong with it. It's just not a good contract when your goal is getting three elite players under contract because Parsons is not elite and I think we will all be surprised if he ends up in that category.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 03:28 AM

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well said

you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own

#150 bladad

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 01:36 PM

See, if you're going to play that card then how do Parsons' known back issues not apply? Tall dudes with back problems don't normally heal. It is especially worrisome when they start early as his did. Call it what you want. Ginobili has long been considered an elite SG. He could have easily put himself on the market and received a max to near max offer. Instead, his salary slowly increased by roughly $1M per year from 2004 ($6M) through 2013 ($14M).

Cuban has always gone about his business by making player happiness priority #1--and there is nothing wrong with that--I support it. Many players have sung his praises and he has always gone out of his way to give them everything they could possibly want. Let's not forget, it was only a few years ago that he made some very unpopular and shrewd moves in trying to deal with the salary cap in order to maintain the ability to chase stars (Howard and Williams specifically) and broke up a championship team.

Morey is trying to build a champion. Parsons, in signing that contract (paired with the Bosh snub) signed his ticket out of Houston. Nothing wrong with it. It's just not a good contract when your goal is getting three elite players under contract because Parsons is not elite and I think we will all be surprised if he ends up in that category.

Because his back issues didn't cause him to miss a massive amount of games the year before he had to negotiate a contract. Ginobli's knees and ankles did in 2008 and 2009. Hell, they even stopped negotiating a contract extension at one point due to his health issues.

A 3yr 39 million dollar deal for a player over 30 who comes off the bench and misses an entire playoff and a ton of regular season games isn't a deal by any means. He was making as much as Steve Nash was during D'antoni's days in Phoenix.

I understand that the contract is untenable. This free agency period hasn't been a win for the Rockets. Who knows what happens next year or the year after that.