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[RollingWave]

My conclusion is generally that, no one's ever not available / tradable, if Lebron is available Harden is totally on the table too for example.   But at this point, I think the team should and would take a hard look at the current group, and we really should evaluate by mid season at the earliest.  And if you look at successful teams, they rarely make major changes.

[Buckko]

Like I said, way to cynical considering we don't know the exact details to this imaginary trade. Personally I'm very high on Ilyasova, and I see us being a better team with 36 minutes of him than 10-15 minutes of Asik. If we could get a pick from the 3rd team involved on top of that, it's just a bonus--not a problem.

Asik will be playing at least 20 minutes because at backup C and a few at PF. If we have a top Defensive center as a backup then we don't have to work howard at full starter minutes and risk injuries.

[Mason Khamvilay]

My conclusion is generally that, no one's ever not available / tradable, if Lebron is available Harden is totally on the table too for example.   But at this point, I think the team should and would take a hard look at the current group, and we really should evaluate by mid season at the earliest.  And if you look at successful teams, they rarely make major changes.

every team makes changes, it just depends on what magnitude were talking about. For example the spurs kept their big 3, but trading away their back up pg wasn't a problem. Our situation isn't too different, we are contenders talking about trading a back up in exchange for a starter.

[timetodienow1234567]

every team makes changes, it just depends on what magnitude were talking about. For example the spurs kept their big 3, but trading away their back up pg wasn't a problem. Our situation isn't too different, we are contenders talking about trading a back up in exchange for a starter.

And it netted them a cornerstone of their franchise in Kawhi. Good point.

[RollingWave]

i'll generally note that season , the Spurs were eliminated in the first round, so while a great team, there were enough warning signs there to force their hands, and that was really when they started to shift their game to it's current form, people assume that because the big 3 is still there they're always the same, but the Spurs in the last couple years since the George Hill trade made an amazing overhaul of the way they played.

 

IF we talk about say.. the top 5 teams from last season, aka the 4 conference finals teams + OKC, none of them changed their starting lineup at all. the biggest changes was probably Kevin Martin leaving , and that was mostly out of the control of OKC.

[Mason Khamvilay]

I agree, the mere notion that we could get a player as impacting for the Rockets as Kawhi has been for the Spurs sounds like a horrible point, so horrible that I don't blame you for taking a sarcastic jab, but believe it not that indeed was the notion I insinuated and I stand by it. You said so yourself, Asik is extremely valuable, so to assume we can't get a "cornerstone" player in return for Asik would be a contradiction upon yourself.

Edited by 2016Champions, 14 August 2013 - 05:38 AM.

[timetodienow1234567]

Wait what? Was that directed at me? I wasn't being sarcastic.

[Mason Khamvilay]

My mistake, I mistook you for RW

[RollingWave]

Oh I don't disagree in general, I'd just like to point out, that you mentioned the desperation part, I mean to point out that teams that are desperate are those that are on the borderline of making the playoffs, those teams are unlikely to give you pieces that help us in the short term because they need those pieces just as much, chance are you get a mid first round pick or a rookie that's overmatched, which seems not very ideal to trade Asik for.

[Buckko]

Oh I don't disagree in general, I'd just like to point out, that you mentioned the desperation part, I mean to point out that teams that are desperate are those that are on the borderline of making the playoffs, those teams are unlikely to give you pieces that help us in the short term because they need those pieces just as much, chance are you get a mid first round pick or a rookie that's overmatched, which seems not very ideal to trade Asik for.

Agreed for, these ideas are just fan's fantasy and overrating their teams, but they will come back to reality when the season starts. Or not.

Edited by Buckko, 14 August 2013 - 09:43 AM.

[Mason Khamvilay]

i'll generally note that season , the Spurs were eliminated in the first round, so while a great team, there were enough warning signs there to force their hands, and that was really when they started to shift their game to it's current form, people assume that because the big 3 is still there they're always the same, but the Spurs in the last couple years since the George Hill trade made an amazing overhaul of the way they played.
 
IF we talk about say.. the top 5 teams from last season, aka the 4 conference finals teams + OKC, none of them changed their starting lineup at all. the biggest changes was probably Kevin Martin leaving , and that was mostly out of the control of OKC.

I agree, which is one of the reasons I said a third team might be involved.