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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:43 PM
Perkins is SEVERELY Underrated. I don't really like him, but he's really misused in OKC. OKC does not really have an offense. They do either,
1) KD's turn to ISO
2) Westbrook's turn to ISO
3) Pass the ball until Sef/KMart gets a wide open 3.
Perkins is wasted in OKC. He'd do wonders in Houston as Asik's backup.
Why so Serious? 
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:55 PM
I've always seen Perkins as an offensive liability, he is a decent rebounder at best, and he's slow at defending the pick and roll. Pretty much the only thing he excels at is strong post defense and setting hard screens.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 08:55 PM
Not at his current price tag right? Because then he'd be making more than Asik...
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:15 PM
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 09:15 PM
Asik's underpaid. I'd say Perk was worth 5 mil a year while Asik is worth 12 mil a year.
Why so Serious?
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:33 PM
glad you're on board, but I been on this boat since it left
Posted 10 April 2013 - 10:40 PM
Okc tried to dump perk in a trade but couldn't without taking back a worse contract or giving up harden or multiple picks which they'd rather just keep him. In also dont really understand why no one likes westbrook. he is really good, he was overhyped last year sure but now almost everyone bags on him constantly. Yeah he takes a few quick shots but besides Durant he's the only guy on their team that can get his own shot. 28 8 and 5 from a guy that's never injured and has the ability to play solid defense against guys like Kobe is hard to find. Without him they would barely better than the rockets with him they are one of the top teams in the west.
I don't think anybody questions his talent........the problem is his basketball IQ
you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own 
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:01 PM
Okc tried to dump perk in a trade but couldn't without taking back a worse contract or giving up harden or multiple picks which they'd rather just keep him. In also dont really understand why no one likes westbrook. he is really good, he was overhyped last year sure but now almost everyone bags on him constantly. Yeah he takes a few quick shots but besides Durant he's the only guy on their team that can get his own shot. 28 8 and 5 from a guy that's never injured and has the ability to play solid defense against guys like Kobe is hard to find. Without him they would barely better than the rockets with him they are one of the top teams in the west.
It is all relative. He makes poor decisions that loses games at times for his team...Westbrook can either carry you or sink you. Either way, him being #5 best player in the league is just bs. If it were a lower, more accurate ranking, I don't think almost everyone in this thread would be bashing him (in relation to the credit he deserves). Westbrook is good...just not #5 good.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:24 PM
I think most of us would agree that OKC would be better with Tony Parker, Chris Paul, or D. Rose (presuming he comes back healthy). We could argue about a few others, but I think those guys a clear cut better. Westbrook brings incredible athleticism and seems to be a fierce competitor. I think the thing that makes him work for OKC is that he is so aggressive and active on the offensive end that defenses must react to him which makes Durant's job a little easier....that has a lot of value.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:46 PM
Okc tried to dump perk in a trade but couldn't without taking back a worse contract or giving up harden or multiple picks which they'd rather just keep him. In also dont really understand why no one likes westbrook. he is really good, he was overhyped last year sure but now almost everyone bags on him constantly. Yeah he takes a few quick shots but besides Durant he's the only guy on their team that can get his own shot. 28 8 and 5 from a guy that's never injured and has the ability to play solid defense against guys like Kobe is hard to find. Without him they would barely better than the rockets with him they are one of the top teams in the west.
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Posted 10 April 2013 - 11:56 PM
The consensus here on Westbrook echos my own thoughts, but I've also been thinking maybe I underrate Westbrook.... if Westbrook is as bad of a pg as people make him out to be then how are OKC leading the league in scoring? Durant's great, but Westbrook must be doing something right. I'm just trying to see things from all perspectives.
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:06 AM
Actually, from what Harden seemed to be willing to do (see PKM's post) and Harden's own comments, he would have been more than happy to play the 6th man role on that team. And I think they absolutely need a player who can be a playmaker off the bench. It would make them one of (if not THE) deadliest benches in the nba. Harden did poorly in parts of the playoffs, but he was only what, 22? 23?
First, I think Harden would be able to bring more defense as the 6th man since his energy is conserved and he wouldn't need to put up 26 a night or something. Second, Perkins is the solution then? Trading Harden in order to keep Perkins just sounds perverse when I say it out loud lol.
Supposedly, it was "Harden or Ibaka", not "Harden or Perkins". Amnestying Perkins wouldn't give them much capacity. Sure, you can fit 4 contracts in the salary cap, and the other 8 players on the roster?
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 12:24 AM
We don't need ESPN to tell us Harden is 8th best. To me, Harden is among top six.
I don't believe ESPN rank Westbrick ahead of Harden. Mind boggling to see that Rose was on the list. He was out injured and didn't play a game. Next time they might put Jordan on the list.
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:17 AM
The consensus here on Westbrook echos my own thoughts, but I've also been thinking maybe I underrate Westbrook.... if Westbrook is as bad of a pg as people make him out to be then how are OKC leading the league in scoring? Durant's great, but Westbrook must be doing something right. I'm just trying to see things from all perspectives.
No, don't get me wrong, like I said earlier. Westbrook is not bad. He's very good! He's just not #5 in the whole nba, better than Tony Parker good. That is silly talk. People have strong reactions when they see something that just seems so off from what they believe to be true. If I saw Westbrook as #10, I would not have even mentioned him in this thread lol.
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:20 AM
Supposedly, it was "Harden or Ibaka", not "Harden or Perkins". Amnestying Perkins wouldn't give them much capacity. Sure, you can fit 4 contracts in the salary cap, and the other 8 players on the roster?
That was them thinking about offering contracts. If they could amnesty Perkins, and I thought they could because I had seen it discussed at the time, it would give them all the capacity they need. $9M is not much capacity? That is a ton and can make all the difference. Is why we amnestied Scola.
I mentioned this earlier in this thread, but if they amnestied Perkins and gave Harden a MAX (Harden was not even asking for a max mind you, but let us pretend he did), they would essentially be paying next season what they are paying now, but for 10 players on the roster. Add a pick or use an exception and you're at 12. Would in reality have been even more favorable as Harden was willing to take a small paycut, but as mentioned, wanted a no trade clause.
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 01:21 AM
Supposedly, it was "Harden or Ibaka", not "Harden or Perkins". Amnestying Perkins wouldn't give them much capacity. Sure, you can fit 4 contracts in the salary cap, and the other 8 players on the roster?
yeah that's what is coming out of OKC, but they could have found a cheaper option for what perkins in doing. also take in the fact that harden was going to give them a little bit of a break....not much, but enough to give them a little breathing room. in addition I think if your going to pay westbrick why not harden. I think it pretty clear who is better........HARDEN. looking at it now from OKC's point of view. they may have let their chance at the title slip away. in watching them this year it's clear to me they miss harden and what he brought to the team. come playoff time is where the spotlight will be shined on the void left by harden. they clearly need another person who can create for both themselves and the team overall. k-martin is a nice scorer, but lacks playmaking ability. that void has been bandaged by durrant's play during the season, but in the playoffs the sore will be uncovered for all to see.
you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:38 AM
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 02:52 AM
This is only my view. Mr. Westbrook thinks and wants to be the man. He shoots about 44% from the field while Durant is about 51% from the field. Not sure why Westbrook takes more shots considering Durant makes over 50% of his attempts and about 90 percent from the free throw line. At times, it seems like they are fighting for the ball. This is just my two cents, but I've seen maturity from Harden since he left OKC. I think, Mr. Westbrook has taken some steps backwards..
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 04:59 AM
I think Westbrook shoots to keep defenses honest, because when he's getting to the rim he's very dangerous.
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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:04 AM
No, don't get me wrong, like I said earlier. Westbrook is not bad. He's very good! He's just not #5 in the whole nba, better than Tony Parker good. That is silly talk. People have strong reactions when they see something that just seems so off from what they believe to be true. If I saw Westbrook as #10, I would not have even mentioned him in this thread lol.
I didn't mean you, I just mean people. There are people here and people outside of here who think Westbrook is overrated and overcompensate for that by underrating him. Guys like Steven are a dime a dozen.
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