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@  2016Champions : (15 July 2013 - 02:13 AM) Thanks.
@  blakecouey : (15 July 2013 - 02:04 AM) Executives of each team.  I believe it can be either Team President or General Manager.
@  2016Champions : (15 July 2013 - 01:19 AM) Does anyone here know who votes for Executive of the Year? Is it the media or GM's?
@  miketheodio : (14 July 2013 - 01:09 AM) keep in mind people predicted the rockets to still miss the playoffs WITH harden.
@  miketheodio : (14 July 2013 - 01:09 AM) no one expected harden to be as good as he is. they figured he would be an all star, but not a budding superstar. that's why the trade happened. nobody thought he would be a top 5 shooting guard
@  Richards : (13 July 2013 - 08:38 PM) Unbelievable reception for Howard. Good for him. Don't remember Harden had similar one.
@  2016Champions : (10 July 2013 - 12:56 AM) Feigan via twitter just said Rockets got fined 150k for saying they're happy they got Dwight. Rockets are allowed to acknowledge Dwight's decision, but not allowed to say they're happy about it...
@  RollingWave : (07 July 2013 - 12:36 AM) also, he was one of the youngest FA out there, so there's actually a chance he might improve
@  2016Champions : (07 July 2013 - 12:29 AM) Not only does Omri knock down open shots, but he runs the floor very hard. He's slightly better than his stats indicate. I'm not saying he's a great player, but there aren't many better players available for the vet min.
@  Steven : (06 July 2013 - 09:00 PM) Casspi is just a spot filler, who will prove depth on the wings incase of injuries throughout the year. He can knock down the open jumper.
@  sircharles : (06 July 2013 - 07:30 PM) they need to sign someone a little stronger than that....
@  BenQueens : (06 July 2013 - 07:27 PM) Hmm. Looking at his shot charts, he actually looks like a 37-40% 3P shooter from the wings and the corners. Just from the top that he's weak.
@  DrewinAbilene : (06 July 2013 - 07:22 PM) Omri Casspi reportedly signing with Houston for 2 years
@  BenQueens : (06 July 2013 - 07:21 PM) Omri Casspi, apparently? Kind of surprising, thought rest of signings would be better 3P shooters.
@  sircharles : (06 July 2013 - 07:15 PM) corey brewer still available?
@  sircharles : (06 July 2013 - 07:12 PM) i wonder who else the rockets can get at decent role players
@  tombrokeoff : (06 July 2013 - 07:11 PM) whew.  havent been able to log in via twitter in forever.  but now its fixed.
@  BenQueens : (06 July 2013 - 07:03 PM) Guess that was never going to happen.
@  BenQueens : (06 July 2013 - 07:02 PM) https://twitter.com/...589024310571009
@  BenQueens : (06 July 2013 - 07:01 PM) Smoove goes to DET for 4 years, 56M

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The Summer League Scrying Pool


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#1 Red94

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    Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:01 PM

    New post: The Summer League Scrying Pool
    By: Forrest Walker

    After losing to the Oklahoma City Thunder in the Orlando Summer League championship game, the Rockets have fallen to 33-7 all-time in NBA summer league games. Houston was undefeated until the last of the five games, and sat Greg Smith, Terrence Jones and Patrick Beverley for the last one. The Rockets always perform strongly in summer league, which is a meaningless distinction by most reckoning. Summer League games don’t help you win in May, but they may tell us something about the teams involved. Why, then, does Houston do so well in July?

    First, an important proviso: Summer League doesn’t tell us much of anything. Many of the players aren’t signed to their respective teams, nor will they ever be. Rookies and Sophomores abound, competing against other similarly fresh players. Recall that Houston had three of the top ten performers during last year’s summer league, and none of them saw extended minutes during the season. Potential and possibility suffuse Orlando and Las Vegas, not skill and ability.

    That very warning serves as a promise for Houston. When victors are decided by potential and system, teams with a steadfast and proven system will shine through. It’s no coincidence that Houston and Oklahoma City met in the finals. Both teams have been rife with young, high upside players, and both are known for willingness to acquire and develop potential. A strong showing in Orlando is a sign of something larger, that Houston has in spades.

    General Manager Daryl Morey’s ability to identify and unearth hidden gems is one of his best-known qualities among the NBA commentariat. He plucks starting-caliber talent out of the second round regularly. He signs two-way players to movable, reasonable contracts. He consistently flips players for younger, more efficient versions. It’s this ability to evaluate ability within a system that helped him assemble a successful roster around Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady in 2009. It’s this same ability that helped him leverage that leftover roster into two superstars three years later. It’s also a major reason why Houston’s so good in Summer League.

    Not only does the Rockets front office have an ability to find talent in the vast sea of players to choose from, Houston’s also practiced at running a farm system. The Rio Grande Valley Vipers, Houston’s NBA D-League affiliate, may not seem germane to summer league or an NBA championship, but it serves as yet another pillar of Houston’s long-term plans. In 2009 the Vipers became the first D-League team to use the so-called “hybrid model.” They may not control the business end of the Vipers, but the Rockets instituted their own coaching and basketball system. Houston has always been very active in their use of the D-League, assigning the vast majority of rookies for extended stints in the valley.

    This familiarity with bringing new players and coaches into an existing system allows Houston to not only scout high-upside players, but to quickly ready them for play in Houston’s offense. The offensive and defensive schemes may change from year to year, but the planning to institute those schemes is consistent. Players in any level of the Rockets’ basketball penumbra are prepared to play at the highest level possible. It’s no coincidence that Houston was on the Vanguard of teams taking control over D-League teams, a trend which about half the league has followed them on.

    Daryl Morey’s reign over the Rockets has been one devoted to victory at all levels, at all costs. The Rockets have ruthlessly cut and traded players to get key assets. Players are flatly denied early extensions on contracts in order to preserve financial freedom. Bruised egos and hurt feelings mean nothing to a team that seems hell-bent on a championship. That pursuit of victory bleeds to the D-League, where the Valley Vipers have won two championships since the Rockets took control of their basketball operations. The latest result of that laser-like focus is a 33-7 record in Summer League, with the only loss this season coming in the championship round.

    The only question then is why Houston’s best Summer League players sat out the game against the Thunder. For a team that develops talent and induces victory even at lower levels of competition, what sense did it make to effectively surrender a game, and the championship game at that? The simple answer is that developing and evaluating talent was more important. With Tyler Honeycutt as the most recognizable name on Houston’s roster, the Rockets didn’t need victory. What they needed was a better idea of how talented their bench’s bench’s bench was.

    Why does any of this matter for the Rockets? The chances that Vitalis Chikoko will help the Rockets win a championship are almost astronomically small. A strong Summer League showing means nothing for NBA action. The point is that no chance is too small, and a habit of exhaustive talent searching and development is even more important. The Rockets win in Summer League because they take it a little too seriously. Houston’s slavish devotion to scouting pays dividends far down the line; a 33-7 record in Summer League is just a pleasant side-effect.



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    Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:47 PM



    Chandler Parsons was interviewed at half time during the Rockets' game with Brooklyn and said that a big group of the squad were going to LA in a few days to have a summer camp together. Might be that the guys already on the team left early to get across the country for that?

    Anyway, I thought Covington, the only remaining player on the Summer League roster who is signed to a contract with us, had an excellent game for us in the final. At times he was single-handedly bringing the Rockets back into the game to the point that they cut a 20 point deficit to just three with about two minutes left. BJ Young also put up good numbers, but in his case I felt like he was doing it at the expense of his teammates - he had a lot of iso possessions and while he converted several against the slower DeAndre Liggins, he was not getting his teammates involved. Covington, on the other hand, seemed to get his points within the flow of the game and without disrupting he team. He's got a good looking three point stroke on him too. Another player with decent potential that Morey has signed, although I have a feeling unless the injury bug bites he's unlikely to see floor time outside of Rio Grande.

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      Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:33 AM

      The Rockets sat the real players to get a look at the summer leaguers, to see if one or more can help the team come October. The only problem with Covington is he is WAY down on the depth chart. And the center O, looked as over matched at Greg Smith did in the playoffs.

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      Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:05 AM

      I've been intrigued by Covington ever since he was signed. For an undrafted rookie he doesn't look too shabby. He won't contribute anytime soon but he might come in handy one day, I see some glimpses of a young Rashard Lewis but right now he's more like Omri Casspi. 


      Edited by 2016Champions, 13 July 2013 - 03:07 AM.

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        Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:08 AM


        I've been intrigued by Covington ever since he was signed. For an undrafted rookie he doesn't look too shabby. He won't contribute anytime soon but he might come in handy one day, I see some glimpses of a young Rashard Lewis but right now he's more like Omri Casspi.


        So he is going to average 10 ppg his rookie year?

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        Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:14 AM

        I've been intrigued by Covington ever since he was signed. For an undrafted rookie he doesn't look too shabby. He won't contribute anytime soon but he might come in handy one day, I see some glimpses of a young Rashard Lewis but right now he's more like Omri Casspi. 


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          Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:15 AM

          Casspi averaged 10 his rookie campaign.

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          Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:16 AM

          Casspi averaged 10 his rookie campaign.

          Different situation. 


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            Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:18 AM


            Different situation.


            Weren't the Kings title contenders in '09?

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            Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:21 AM

            Weren't the Kings title contenders in '09?

            I hope you're joking..


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              Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:27 AM


              I hope you're joking..

              Yes.

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              Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:45 AM

              I guess I'm not in the mood for sarcastic comedy, I'm going to try to steer this conversation in a more productive direction if you don't mind. 

               

              Robert Covington is 6'7" and has a wingspan of 7'2". He's a decent defender, and might be capable of playing some stretch 4 if he puts on more weight/strength. Check out this highlight video:, 

              Robert Covington showing off a skill set that justifies an Omri Casspi comparison, but if he has a strong work ethic he can become much better in time. 


              Edited by 2016Champions, 13 July 2013 - 03:48 AM.

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                Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:01 AM



                Did we sign that blue kid



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                  Posted 14 July 2013 - 12:39 AM

                  Vander Blue? not yet,  he can't shoot at this point, which is a problem, but I'm intrigued.  someone will invite him to a training camp I'd guess,

                   

                  As it stands now , our depth chart is pretty full,

                   

                  Lin / Bev / Canaan

                  Harden / Garcia / Williams

                  Parsons / Garcia / Cassipi / occasional Covington?

                  Jones  / Dmo / Smith / Covington

                  Howard / Asik / Smith

                   

                  I actually wonder how Greg Smith gets playing time at this point, his rate was really good last year really, he deserve at least 10-15 min on any roster, but if you figure there's only 96 min to go around between 4-5, and  Howard at least 30, Asik 15-20,  Jones 20-25 / Dmo 15-20  that's already 95 min and that might be lowballing some of those guy's minutes.



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                    Posted 14 July 2013 - 01:12 AM

                    covington will get seasoned in the d league for a season. if it works out, depending on who the organization thinks fits the system better, jones dmo or covington are all future trade chips.



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                    Posted 14 July 2013 - 01:53 AM

                    I don't see Greg Smith getting any playing time to be honest. I think he has a great attitude, and hopefully he will develop a 15 foot jump shot (he recently said that's one of the main things he's working on) but personally I don't think that will be enough. I see Greg Smith as our 3rd string center, and potentially our 2nd string center when Asik puts on another uniform (it's only a matter of time, whether he's traded or simply signs somewhere else in 2015).


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                      Posted 14 July 2013 - 02:04 AM

                      yeah he was a bit underwhelming in the summer league



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                      Posted 14 July 2013 - 02:22 AM

                      He definitely needs a good PG to thrive--I do think he can learn a lot from Dwight as to how to use his body better in the post.  I think he will eventually find a spot somewhere in this league and be a solid contributor...it may be here...it may not.  There's no denying he's got some great tools to work with.



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                        Posted 14 July 2013 - 03:19 AM

                        Smith sucks. He can't hit free throws. Isn't athelic enough to play the 4 or long enough to play the 5. He is the reason the Rockets lost in the first round. The further down the depth chart, the better the Rockets season will be b

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                          Posted 14 July 2013 - 05:51 AM

                          I could see smith being traded for a future 2nd or something, and Covington/Canaan spending at least the beginning of the year in the dleague.




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