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		<title>By: Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgot my 3rd point about Rubio - word is they&#039;ve offered Flynn and other things for that #10 Indy pick, so why would they trade the #5 if they are offering the #6?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot my 3rd point about Rubio &#8211; word is they&#8217;ve offered Flynn and other things for that #10 Indy pick, so why would they trade the #5 if they are offering the #6?</p>
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		<title>By: Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 14:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me further my point on KM12 - first, Kahn has stated no interest in Martin. They could&#039;ve had him at the trade deadline and didn&#039;t make a move. They, arguably, could&#039;ve offered up a better package such including guys like Love or Jefferson. 

 Second, there is no one on the Minny roster worth taking that would justify trading KM12. Jefferson? Doesn&#039;t provide much more than Scola on the offensive end (arguably not as versatile, despite being stronger); if we upgrade in the frontcout, we need to increase our length. Jefferson is a considerably stumpy guy. 

They&#039;re not trading Love, and their wings / back court are not worth it in any way imaginable. And Rubio? Unproven in the NBA, not coming over for at least another year and if we are in &#039;win now&#039; mode (the acquisition of KM12 certainly screams that), then waiting on a not-even-20-year-old point guard is just not sensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me further my point on KM12 &#8211; first, Kahn has stated no interest in Martin. They could&#8217;ve had him at the trade deadline and didn&#8217;t make a move. They, arguably, could&#8217;ve offered up a better package such including guys like Love or Jefferson. </p>
<p> Second, there is no one on the Minny roster worth taking that would justify trading KM12. Jefferson? Doesn&#8217;t provide much more than Scola on the offensive end (arguably not as versatile, despite being stronger); if we upgrade in the frontcout, we need to increase our length. Jefferson is a considerably stumpy guy. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re not trading Love, and their wings / back court are not worth it in any way imaginable. And Rubio? Unproven in the NBA, not coming over for at least another year and if we are in &#8216;win now&#8217; mode (the acquisition of KM12 certainly screams that), then waiting on a not-even-20-year-old point guard is just not sensible.</p>
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		<title>By: rahat huq</title>
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		<dc:creator>rahat huq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quinn - Good point on Ariza.  That would look pretty bad, especially considering the high-profile of that signing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quinn &#8211; Good point on Ariza.  That would look pretty bad, especially considering the high-profile of that signing.</p>
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		<title>By: Quinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 12:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Said it on clutchfans and I&#039;ll say it here - KM12 and TA1 are not going anywhere. KM12 is a supremely valuable talent, and is here because Yao is expected to return. Trading TA1 would be a publicity / front office nightmare unless he went to a contender inasmuch as he came here because he wanted to grow and improve his game - to ship him off (especially to a team like Minnesota) just screams to potential future players that you should not come here because you&#039;re just a piece of a temporary team.

Also, anyone suggesting that we need to rebuild is a damn fool. I, personally, am one that believes adding a Joel Pryzbilla and another front court bench scorer and we are championship-ready. Adding Bosh would make us instant favorites, but no bosh doesn&#039;t mean we aren&#039;t contending next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Said it on clutchfans and I&#8217;ll say it here &#8211; KM12 and TA1 are not going anywhere. KM12 is a supremely valuable talent, and is here because Yao is expected to return. Trading TA1 would be a publicity / front office nightmare unless he went to a contender inasmuch as he came here because he wanted to grow and improve his game &#8211; to ship him off (especially to a team like Minnesota) just screams to potential future players that you should not come here because you&#8217;re just a piece of a temporary team.</p>
<p>Also, anyone suggesting that we need to rebuild is a damn fool. I, personally, am one that believes adding a Joel Pryzbilla and another front court bench scorer and we are championship-ready. Adding Bosh would make us instant favorites, but no bosh doesn&#8217;t mean we aren&#8217;t contending next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Miami creates enough cap space to sign two star free agents (say Bosh and Johnson), and Chicago does likewise via trading Deng to sign Lebron &amp; Amare or Boozer ... then the Knicks 2011 #1 protected pick looks very good!  

The problem is, can we be better than Miami (Johnson Wade Bosh), Chicago (Rose, Lebron, Amare/Boozer, Noah) or the Lakers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Miami creates enough cap space to sign two star free agents (say Bosh and Johnson), and Chicago does likewise via trading Deng to sign Lebron &amp; Amare or Boozer &#8230; then the Knicks 2011 #1 protected pick looks very good!  </p>
<p>The problem is, can we be better than Miami (Johnson Wade Bosh), Chicago (Rose, Lebron, Amare/Boozer, Noah) or the Lakers?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 04:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to multiple post,but does Morey really take best player or best player who fits a need?
He sure looks to be forming a pattern of identifying a need from the previous season and bringing in both a vet and a draftee to fill it.Then the coach decides who&#039;s gonna play and stay.
Consider:
2007 PG and PF were definite weak links.
Scola,Landry and Brooks,Francis,Jackson brought in.
2008 Two Series losses to Utah indicated a need for physicality.
Artest and Dorsey.
2009 Wing scoring.
Martin,Taylor,Budinger.

If this holds true,whatever Morey has identified as this past season&#039;s big weakness is going to determine who gets drafted and a similar-skilled vet will also be brought in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to multiple post,but does Morey really take best player or best player who fits a need?<br />
He sure looks to be forming a pattern of identifying a need from the previous season and bringing in both a vet and a draftee to fill it.Then the coach decides who&#8217;s gonna play and stay.<br />
Consider:<br />
2007 PG and PF were definite weak links.<br />
Scola,Landry and Brooks,Francis,Jackson brought in.<br />
2008 Two Series losses to Utah indicated a need for physicality.<br />
Artest and Dorsey.<br />
2009 Wing scoring.<br />
Martin,Taylor,Budinger.</p>
<p>If this holds true,whatever Morey has identified as this past season&#8217;s big weakness is going to determine who gets drafted and a similar-skilled vet will also be brought in.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 03:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an example of what not to do,Miami is a perfect example. If they had only drafted Lopez they would be sitting fairly pretty.
Now they&#039;re reduced to selling Firsts and fairly cheap roster fill in hopes of a miracle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an example of what not to do,Miami is a perfect example. If they had only drafted Lopez they would be sitting fairly pretty.<br />
Now they&#8217;re reduced to selling Firsts and fairly cheap roster fill in hopes of a miracle.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 03:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the rumors on Fernandez have some truth to them,it doesn&#039;t look like Martin is deeply entrenched.
Fernandez is unhappy in Portland because he can&#039;t get minutes. Since Martin can&#039;t move over to SF like Roy can,that leaves even fewer minutes for Rudy as a back-up.

Then there&#039;s Morey&#039;s Rubio lust. If he can get Rudy,he sets up a likely Rubio ultimatum.

As for what a Rudy trade might look like-I have 2 scenarios.
1)Rudy for Landry TPE and #14.
2)Andre Miller,Rudy for Brooks,Battier.
Miller,Battier are expirings so that offsets.
Portland wants vet experience and would love a mentor for Batum.
Miller can post up,actually passes inside and loves to throw lobs and is extremely effective on fast break.(Of course many will hate him because he has no outside shot. Why that would be a problem when he&#039;s teamed w/some combo of Ariza,Rudy,Bud,maybe Martin is beyond me.)A nice caretaker who has tried to teach Bayless how to be a PG.
Rudy&#039;s locked in for a couple more yrs while Brooks is gonna get his payday next yr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the rumors on Fernandez have some truth to them,it doesn&#8217;t look like Martin is deeply entrenched.<br />
Fernandez is unhappy in Portland because he can&#8217;t get minutes. Since Martin can&#8217;t move over to SF like Roy can,that leaves even fewer minutes for Rudy as a back-up.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s Morey&#8217;s Rubio lust. If he can get Rudy,he sets up a likely Rubio ultimatum.</p>
<p>As for what a Rudy trade might look like-I have 2 scenarios.<br />
1)Rudy for Landry TPE and #14.<br />
2)Andre Miller,Rudy for Brooks,Battier.<br />
Miller,Battier are expirings so that offsets.<br />
Portland wants vet experience and would love a mentor for Batum.<br />
Miller can post up,actually passes inside and loves to throw lobs and is extremely effective on fast break.(Of course many will hate him because he has no outside shot. Why that would be a problem when he&#8217;s teamed w/some combo of Ariza,Rudy,Bud,maybe Martin is beyond me.)A nice caretaker who has tried to teach Bayless how to be a PG.<br />
Rudy&#8217;s locked in for a couple more yrs while Brooks is gonna get his payday next yr.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 02:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Batum for the fourth pick rumor was ridiculous.  What was even more ridiculous was that it wasn&#039;t treated as such.  It was like, Yeah, that did happen, and Batum is that good.  I mean, What?  I think Batum&#039;s very talented and could certainly fill the defensive swingman/three  point shooter role on a championship team but a role player, even a championship-caliber role player (the difference between say Matt Barnes or Keith Bogans and Batum) isn&#039;t worth the fourth pick in the draft.   Whoever started the rumor and whether it was intended to hype up Batum&#039;s value or not, both sides come off as ridiculous, Minnesota for supposedly offering the fourth pick for a role player and Portland refusing said offer for a role player.  If Portland thinks that highly of Batum, they should be promoting the idea that passing over  Durant doesn&#039;t hurt because they have their own French version.   

I could see the left out detail being Greg Oden.  Not a bad attempt by Minnesota if that&#039;s the case.  If Oden could just stay healthy and provide defense and rebounding, he would provide a lot value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Batum for the fourth pick rumor was ridiculous.  What was even more ridiculous was that it wasn&#8217;t treated as such.  It was like, Yeah, that did happen, and Batum is that good.  I mean, What?  I think Batum&#8217;s very talented and could certainly fill the defensive swingman/three  point shooter role on a championship team but a role player, even a championship-caliber role player (the difference between say Matt Barnes or Keith Bogans and Batum) isn&#8217;t worth the fourth pick in the draft.   Whoever started the rumor and whether it was intended to hype up Batum&#8217;s value or not, both sides come off as ridiculous, Minnesota for supposedly offering the fourth pick for a role player and Portland refusing said offer for a role player.  If Portland thinks that highly of Batum, they should be promoting the idea that passing over  Durant doesn&#8217;t hurt because they have their own French version.   </p>
<p>I could see the left out detail being Greg Oden.  Not a bad attempt by Minnesota if that&#8217;s the case.  If Oden could just stay healthy and provide defense and rebounding, he would provide a lot value.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
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		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 01:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rockets&#039; brass on the top 20 prospects:

http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2010/06/nba_draft_scouts_eye_view.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rockets&#8217; brass on the top 20 prospects:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2010/06/nba_draft_scouts_eye_view.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2010/06/nba_draft_scouts_eye_view.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo rahat, why not go balls to the wall and try to secure chris paul? i&#039;d much rather seem him in rocket red than chris bosh quite honestly. are the rockets interested? what would it cost? and wouldnt a ball distributor like paul make it enticing for other &#039;stars&#039; to want to play for the rockets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo rahat, why not go balls to the wall and try to secure chris paul? i&#8217;d much rather seem him in rocket red than chris bosh quite honestly. are the rockets interested? what would it cost? and wouldnt a ball distributor like paul make it enticing for other &#8217;stars&#8217; to want to play for the rockets?</p>
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		<title>By: 187</title>
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		<dc:creator>187</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the 14th pick the Houston Rockets will select: Patrick Patterson. They are not moving up or trading down. It has been confirmed by their camp and I will not reveal my source. Those that doubt me will soon see the error of their ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the 14th pick the Houston Rockets will select: Patrick Patterson. They are not moving up or trading down. It has been confirmed by their camp and I will not reveal my source. Those that doubt me will soon see the error of their ways.</p>
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		<title>By: rahat huq</title>
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		<dc:creator>rahat huq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 21:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>purvis - yeah, i think i&#039;ll touch on that later on

ty - agreed on the length, but for simplicity sake, i would rather just continue this one until tomorrow.  as for the assets - fully agreed.  scary, considering we didn&#039;t even have to have losing seasons to amass it, unlike other teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>purvis &#8211; yeah, i think i&#8217;ll touch on that later on</p>
<p>ty &#8211; agreed on the length, but for simplicity sake, i would rather just continue this one until tomorrow.  as for the assets &#8211; fully agreed.  scary, considering we didn&#8217;t even have to have losing seasons to amass it, unlike other teams.</p>
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		<title>By: ty185</title>
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		<dc:creator>ty185</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw, as much credit as you have given to Daryl Morey, I personally think you are still under-selling the how many assets Morey has accumulated during his short time in Houston.

As of right now, we have the following assets that commands considerable trade value on the market:

* Aaron Brooks
* Kevin Martin
* Jordan Hill
* NY 2011 pick swap
* NY 2012 pick
* our own #14 pick
* The possible willingness to absorb contracts for the right player

The following players probably don&#039;t command enough trade value on the open market but we DEFINITELY don&#039;t mind having them as an important piece of the team:

Yao Ming
Luis Scola
Trevor Ariza
Shane Battier
Kyle Lowry
Chase Budinger
(I&#039;m debating whether chuck belongs to this group or not)

Seriously, take a look at the list above. As far as trade value goes, we have enough chips to pull off both a trade-up and a Chris Bosh SnT if it comes to that. Not either-one, but both.

As the current rumor goes, the price for #4 would command at most Kevin Martin and Aaron Brooks (I think most rox fans would feel a KM+AB for #4 trade would be a favor to the wolves). And if we go the &quot;take brand&#039;s contract and run away with #2&quot; route, we probably don&#039;t even need to part way with KM and AB... -- And you can not tell me that we don&#039;t have enough chips to entice Toronto after such a trade-up is done. As it is, the Chris Bosh SnT hinges on Bosh&#039;s willingness to come, not our ability to give Toronto what they want -- with or without the potential trade-up.

Again, I really want to emphasize, we can count AT LEAST 13 significant pieces that commands value either to another team or to ourselves atm. And that&#039;s not counting chuck, or jeffries, or Llull. 

I don&#039;t know about the other teams, but that kind of depth is unheard of for our rockets in the past decade at least...

oh, btw, did I forgot to mention that, assuming we traded away everything in that first group for some total garbage, and we end up with only the player in the second group. Assuming Yao can stay reasonably healthy, that second group alone probably can get us a winning season? amazing and scary thoughts... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw, as much credit as you have given to Daryl Morey, I personally think you are still under-selling the how many assets Morey has accumulated during his short time in Houston.</p>
<p>As of right now, we have the following assets that commands considerable trade value on the market:</p>
<p>* Aaron Brooks<br />
* Kevin Martin<br />
* Jordan Hill<br />
* NY 2011 pick swap<br />
* NY 2012 pick<br />
* our own #14 pick<br />
* The possible willingness to absorb contracts for the right player</p>
<p>The following players probably don&#8217;t command enough trade value on the open market but we DEFINITELY don&#8217;t mind having them as an important piece of the team:</p>
<p>Yao Ming<br />
Luis Scola<br />
Trevor Ariza<br />
Shane Battier<br />
Kyle Lowry<br />
Chase Budinger<br />
(I&#8217;m debating whether chuck belongs to this group or not)</p>
<p>Seriously, take a look at the list above. As far as trade value goes, we have enough chips to pull off both a trade-up and a Chris Bosh SnT if it comes to that. Not either-one, but both.</p>
<p>As the current rumor goes, the price for #4 would command at most Kevin Martin and Aaron Brooks (I think most rox fans would feel a KM+AB for #4 trade would be a favor to the wolves). And if we go the &#8220;take brand&#8217;s contract and run away with #2&#8243; route, we probably don&#8217;t even need to part way with KM and AB&#8230; &#8212; And you can not tell me that we don&#8217;t have enough chips to entice Toronto after such a trade-up is done. As it is, the Chris Bosh SnT hinges on Bosh&#8217;s willingness to come, not our ability to give Toronto what they want &#8212; with or without the potential trade-up.</p>
<p>Again, I really want to emphasize, we can count AT LEAST 13 significant pieces that commands value either to another team or to ourselves atm. And that&#8217;s not counting chuck, or jeffries, or Llull. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about the other teams, but that kind of depth is unheard of for our rockets in the past decade at least&#8230;</p>
<p>oh, btw, did I forgot to mention that, assuming we traded away everything in that first group for some total garbage, and we end up with only the player in the second group. Assuming Yao can stay reasonably healthy, that second group alone probably can get us a winning season? amazing and scary thoughts&#8230; <img src='/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ty185</title>
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		<dc:creator>ty185</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rahat, I know the intention is to keep everything in one big thread to keep things simple, but this thread is getting ridiculously long and hard to nevigate... you think it would make sense to open a newer one? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rahat, I know the intention is to keep everything in one big thread to keep things simple, but this thread is getting ridiculously long and hard to nevigate&#8230; you think it would make sense to open a newer one? <img src='/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Purvisshort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Purvisshort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 18:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rahat, any idea how well CP3 measures up in Morey&#039;s &quot;metrics&quot;?

The chatter online about what teams are offering makes him an attractive potential addition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rahat, any idea how well CP3 measures up in Morey&#8217;s &#8220;metrics&#8221;?</p>
<p>The chatter online about what teams are offering makes him an attractive potential addition.</p>
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		<title>By: rahat huq</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RFWC: Well said, and all true, but at the same time - who ever won anything playing it safe?  I think the formula should be &#039;swing for the fences on the franchise player, and then play it safe for the role-players.&#039;  Because you just have to gamble to get that elite guy - not everyone has Tim Duncan fall into his lap.

cheolee: Thanks for the kind words.  I agree completely on Cousins.  The more I read about him, the more I am sold, but I am not a college basketball expert so I hesitate to openly endorse him.  As far as your scenarios, for bewildering reasons, it&#039;s come out that NJ actually does want Wes Johnson (post update coming on the entire absurdity of this ordeal shortly), and that would make Favors/Cousins available at 4.  Kahn is Morey&#039;s doppelganger - he values the wrong assets too highly and is in over his head.  

thirdcoast - I disagree about Scola being enough at the &#039;4&#039;.  Can&#039;t see us being elite without an upgrade at that spot.

Anthony - Completely agree.  It&#039;s overlooked just how much leverage Toronto has in this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RFWC: Well said, and all true, but at the same time &#8211; who ever won anything playing it safe?  I think the formula should be &#8217;swing for the fences on the franchise player, and then play it safe for the role-players.&#8217;  Because you just have to gamble to get that elite guy &#8211; not everyone has Tim Duncan fall into his lap.</p>
<p>cheolee: Thanks for the kind words.  I agree completely on Cousins.  The more I read about him, the more I am sold, but I am not a college basketball expert so I hesitate to openly endorse him.  As far as your scenarios, for bewildering reasons, it&#8217;s come out that NJ actually does want Wes Johnson (post update coming on the entire absurdity of this ordeal shortly), and that would make Favors/Cousins available at 4.  Kahn is Morey&#8217;s doppelganger &#8211; he values the wrong assets too highly and is in over his head.  </p>
<p>thirdcoast &#8211; I disagree about Scola being enough at the &#8216;4&#8242;.  Can&#8217;t see us being elite without an upgrade at that spot.</p>
<p>Anthony &#8211; Completely agree.  It&#8217;s overlooked just how much leverage Toronto has in this.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt the Rockets have enough to move into the top 5.  Aaron Brooks, as good as he was and as much as he improved, wouldn&#039;t be enough.  A combination of complementary players wouldn&#039;t be enough either.  And the NY picks, while potentially valuable, could potentially be worth little as well, making them too risky for a bad team.  Anyway, why trade a top 5 pick for a pick that might turn into one a few years later?  

To get Bosh is going to have to take some real assets as well.  I know Ratat that you&#039;ve gone over the paltry returns (at least at the time) of sign and trades and concluded that Toronto should expect very little.  But what makes Bosh signing with Houston different than say Grant Hill signing with Orlando is that Orlando could have signed Hill outright if no trade could be worked out.  If Toronto doesn&#039;t like what Morey offers, they can block Bosh from signing and there is very little recourse.  That constitutes real leverage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I doubt the Rockets have enough to move into the top 5.  Aaron Brooks, as good as he was and as much as he improved, wouldn&#8217;t be enough.  A combination of complementary players wouldn&#8217;t be enough either.  And the NY picks, while potentially valuable, could potentially be worth little as well, making them too risky for a bad team.  Anyway, why trade a top 5 pick for a pick that might turn into one a few years later?  </p>
<p>To get Bosh is going to have to take some real assets as well.  I know Ratat that you&#8217;ve gone over the paltry returns (at least at the time) of sign and trades and concluded that Toronto should expect very little.  But what makes Bosh signing with Houston different than say Grant Hill signing with Orlando is that Orlando could have signed Hill outright if no trade could be worked out.  If Toronto doesn&#8217;t like what Morey offers, they can block Bosh from signing and there is very little recourse.  That constitutes real leverage.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night I had a dream that I missed the NBA Draft! I know, it was terrible! But I stopped what I was doing, (in my dream) and got to a tv just as the Rockets were making their pick.  as follows from my dream... David Stern &quot; And with the 14th pick in the 2010 Draft, the Houston Rockets select...&quot; and you guessed it I WOKE UP! Needless to say this was not a good morning.

Anyway I look forward to the draft and expect to see some crazy things go down.   What are your thoughts on Gordon Haywood? I say Chase Budinger 2.0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night I had a dream that I missed the NBA Draft! I know, it was terrible! But I stopped what I was doing, (in my dream) and got to a tv just as the Rockets were making their pick.  as follows from my dream&#8230; David Stern &#8221; And with the 14th pick in the 2010 Draft, the Houston Rockets select&#8230;&#8221; and you guessed it I WOKE UP! Needless to say this was not a good morning.</p>
<p>Anyway I look forward to the draft and expect to see some crazy things go down.   What are your thoughts on Gordon Haywood? I say Chase Budinger 2.0.</p>
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		<title>By: thirdcoastborn</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 15:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also believe if we do move up, they know they cant get Bosh. We are not his first option, but after lebron signs, and other pieces fall, we may end up being the best trade option for Toronto. But I still dont think if we get a power forward in the draft that we a rebuilding. The main key is if Yao will be back healthy and dominant.If he eventually will be, then he will get alot of touches, meaning Scola will be enough at the four spot. Hill has the size and potential to end up being better then Landry,so he will backup Scola, and maybe Yao too when we go  smaller and want to run like last year. I am for a trade, or free agency too get instant help to improve our team, and too trade down, or just trade our draft pick, unless the pick will be involved in a trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also believe if we do move up, they know they cant get Bosh. We are not his first option, but after lebron signs, and other pieces fall, we may end up being the best trade option for Toronto. But I still dont think if we get a power forward in the draft that we a rebuilding. The main key is if Yao will be back healthy and dominant.If he eventually will be, then he will get alot of touches, meaning Scola will be enough at the four spot. Hill has the size and potential to end up being better then Landry,so he will backup Scola, and maybe Yao too when we go  smaller and want to run like last year. I am for a trade, or free agency too get instant help to improve our team, and too trade down, or just trade our draft pick, unless the pick will be involved in a trade.</p>
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		<title>By: cheolee</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 13:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey rahat,

First of all, I have to say that I really enjoy your articles. They are well written and intellectually stimulating in terms of ROX matters. Keep up the good work.
A few points regarding the draft:

1) We know that Morey has been trying hard to move up the draft (for Cousins we presume, but with Dork Elvis we never truly know). If that were the case, it would make common sense that we would try to acquire the lowest pick for which we can draft him. Since Wall and Turner are projected 1-2 we look at NJ, MINN, SAC, and GSW as potential trading partners. NJ is vacillating between Favors and Wesley (not really imo, just trying to get more from MINN). If MINN does not cave in to NJ&#039;s demands, they will probably decide to go with whomever is left on the board. I don&#039;t think MINN will trade their #4 because of the awkward situation they are in right now, and Khan just seems like someone who overvalues his assets and is unrealistically stubborn in general. Therefore, it would all depend on who SAC likes at 5. If they prefer Cousins to Monroe, then I&#039;m not certain we have any pieces that they like enough to give up their pick. If Monroe is their man, our trading partner becomes GSW. Our main competition seems like Detroit. Ofcourse, this is all hypothetical and maybe I&#039;m completely off on my assumptions.
 In light of NJ&#039;s ransom game with MINN, however, I think that Morey will low ball teams until the last minute when he is certain that he can draft his man with the impending deal.

2) I know that there are a lot of questions about Cousins in terms of his character and whether his success/efficiency in the college game will translate into the NBA. In terms of projections and comparisons, I feel like Cousins is comparable to a taller/longer Al Jefferson. They have similar builds (using combine measurements, body type, &amp; average athleticism) and a refined back-to-the-basket post game. Cousins seems like he could be a better triple threat with range on his jumper, good ball handling skills for his size, and allegedly underrated passing skills. I also think that his demeanor is similar to a Rasheed Wallace type in that casual fans and media portray him as someone who is a headcase. The thing about Rasheed is that his teammates and coaches swear by his loyalty, passion, and basketball IQ. I believe that if Wallace was in a better environment during his years in Portland, he would&#039;ve been a different persona than what he is today. Speaking of environments, is there a better situation for Cousins to maximize his potential than the Rockets? The team has a solid core of veterans that are known for their work ethic and professionalism in Yao, Battier, and Scola, matched with a coaching staff that has been successful in developing talent and managing the likes of Artest. Chuck Hayes is allegedly Coach Cal&#039;s favorite player and would be a wonderful mentor to Cousins. And because we are a good team, there is no pressure from him to produce right away.

3) My guess for this year&#039;s low key pickup is Elliot Williams. HOU, SA, and POR have all been reported to be interested in him. Williams seems to get less hype because of his injury but he led the NCAA last year in free-throw attempts per possession.

I have some other thoughts but I&#039;ll leave that until next time since this is already a long post. Thanks for reading and I look forward to your response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey rahat,</p>
<p>First of all, I have to say that I really enjoy your articles. They are well written and intellectually stimulating in terms of ROX matters. Keep up the good work.<br />
A few points regarding the draft:</p>
<p>1) We know that Morey has been trying hard to move up the draft (for Cousins we presume, but with Dork Elvis we never truly know). If that were the case, it would make common sense that we would try to acquire the lowest pick for which we can draft him. Since Wall and Turner are projected 1-2 we look at NJ, MINN, SAC, and GSW as potential trading partners. NJ is vacillating between Favors and Wesley (not really imo, just trying to get more from MINN). If MINN does not cave in to NJ&#8217;s demands, they will probably decide to go with whomever is left on the board. I don&#8217;t think MINN will trade their #4 because of the awkward situation they are in right now, and Khan just seems like someone who overvalues his assets and is unrealistically stubborn in general. Therefore, it would all depend on who SAC likes at 5. If they prefer Cousins to Monroe, then I&#8217;m not certain we have any pieces that they like enough to give up their pick. If Monroe is their man, our trading partner becomes GSW. Our main competition seems like Detroit. Ofcourse, this is all hypothetical and maybe I&#8217;m completely off on my assumptions.<br />
 In light of NJ&#8217;s ransom game with MINN, however, I think that Morey will low ball teams until the last minute when he is certain that he can draft his man with the impending deal.</p>
<p>2) I know that there are a lot of questions about Cousins in terms of his character and whether his success/efficiency in the college game will translate into the NBA. In terms of projections and comparisons, I feel like Cousins is comparable to a taller/longer Al Jefferson. They have similar builds (using combine measurements, body type, &amp; average athleticism) and a refined back-to-the-basket post game. Cousins seems like he could be a better triple threat with range on his jumper, good ball handling skills for his size, and allegedly underrated passing skills. I also think that his demeanor is similar to a Rasheed Wallace type in that casual fans and media portray him as someone who is a headcase. The thing about Rasheed is that his teammates and coaches swear by his loyalty, passion, and basketball IQ. I believe that if Wallace was in a better environment during his years in Portland, he would&#8217;ve been a different persona than what he is today. Speaking of environments, is there a better situation for Cousins to maximize his potential than the Rockets? The team has a solid core of veterans that are known for their work ethic and professionalism in Yao, Battier, and Scola, matched with a coaching staff that has been successful in developing talent and managing the likes of Artest. Chuck Hayes is allegedly Coach Cal&#8217;s favorite player and would be a wonderful mentor to Cousins. And because we are a good team, there is no pressure from him to produce right away.</p>
<p>3) My guess for this year&#8217;s low key pickup is Elliot Williams. HOU, SA, and POR have all been reported to be interested in him. Williams seems to get less hype because of his injury but he led the NCAA last year in free-throw attempts per possession.</p>
<p>I have some other thoughts but I&#8217;ll leave that until next time since this is already a long post. Thanks for reading and I look forward to your response.</p>
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		<title>By: rahat_huq</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Rockets have to feel the past 2 yrs have shown they can field a Playoff caliber team and they can afford to take chances on more high reward/high risk players.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Underscored for emphasis.  I think there&#039;s a sense of confidence now in their formula that allows them to take risks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Rockets have to feel the past 2 yrs have shown they can field a Playoff caliber team and they can afford to take chances on more high reward/high risk players.&#8221;</p>
<p>Underscored for emphasis.  I think there&#39;s a sense of confidence now in their formula that allows them to take risks.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morey&#039;s picks have been overwhelmingly upperclassmen.&lt;br&gt;Brooks,Landry,Luenen,Dorsey,Taylor and Budinger upperclassmen.&lt;br&gt;Llull w/several yrs of pro experience in Europe.&lt;br&gt;The players Morey was said to want and didn&#039;t get were Roy(upperclassman) and Rubio and Fernandez(vets of Pro Euro Leagues).&lt;br&gt;The one exception has been Green,and we can wonder if Sac didn&#039;t want him all along. &lt;br&gt;If he was drafted for the Rockets,it&#039;s interesting that the same things said of him at time of draft are what we are hearing this time around about Rockets drafting for potential.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One theoretical advantage of drafting upperclassmen is they are more NBA ready. Until last yr the Rockets were very much in win-now mode and having players who could contribute fairly quickly may have looked very attractive.(And I orig thought Morey would draft one of the upperclass bigs-Udoh,Patterson-as they fit his previous history and were both talented and fit a need.)&lt;br&gt;But the thinking may have changed. The Rockets have to feel the past 2 yrs have shown they can field a Playoff caliber team and they can afford to take chances on more high reward/high risk players. We may have seen this already. Green was taken when McGrady was obviously breaking down. Last yr Taylor was their top target and they knew he was going to be a project.&lt;br&gt;So now I feel they go for a project wing. He can spend the season in RGV,knowing he&#039;s being developed by the team,prob have some call-ups and next yr when the lock-out hits he can continue to develop in RGV w/a positive attitude. Then when the rump season starts he will be in game shape and have an edge that can set him up for a nice run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morey&#39;s picks have been overwhelmingly upperclassmen.<br />Brooks,Landry,Luenen,Dorsey,Taylor and Budinger upperclassmen.<br />Llull w/several yrs of pro experience in Europe.<br />The players Morey was said to want and didn&#39;t get were Roy(upperclassman) and Rubio and Fernandez(vets of Pro Euro Leagues).<br />The one exception has been Green,and we can wonder if Sac didn&#39;t want him all along. <br />If he was drafted for the Rockets,it&#39;s interesting that the same things said of him at time of draft are what we are hearing this time around about Rockets drafting for potential.</p>
<p>One theoretical advantage of drafting upperclassmen is they are more NBA ready. Until last yr the Rockets were very much in win-now mode and having players who could contribute fairly quickly may have looked very attractive.(And I orig thought Morey would draft one of the upperclass bigs-Udoh,Patterson-as they fit his previous history and were both talented and fit a need.)<br />But the thinking may have changed. The Rockets have to feel the past 2 yrs have shown they can field a Playoff caliber team and they can afford to take chances on more high reward/high risk players. We may have seen this already. Green was taken when McGrady was obviously breaking down. Last yr Taylor was their top target and they knew he was going to be a project.<br />So now I feel they go for a project wing. He can spend the season in RGV,knowing he&#39;s being developed by the team,prob have some call-ups and next yr when the lock-out hits he can continue to develop in RGV w/a positive attitude. Then when the rump season starts he will be in game shape and have an edge that can set him up for a nice run.</p>
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		<title>By: RFWC</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any GM that consistently cannot produce a winning product with high picks year after year will be shown the door.  This is why Chris Mullins is out of a job and a host of other GM&#039;s.

If you can&#039;t trust yourself to use the 4th pick wisely and give up on a future Kobe on Ariza, Martin and the #14 then you may as well throw in the towel.

High picks are the dream and nightmares of GM&#039;s. Unfortunately the Yao, Bosh, Wade, James type players come along only once in a blue moon and then play a log time to haunt those who give up on them.  Certainly no one will blame morey for trading down. He will sleep easier and his job more secure. 

Looking at the NBA star&#039;s trajectory, there are those that take a year or two.  Hakeem showed skills right away but took the right scheme &#039;ugly ball&#039; and cast to win.  I thought Horry, Cassell were indispensable.  Some players need development. D-league is here to stay(it&#039;s good to have a place to grow without pressure).. These development players are frustrating. Look at Anthony Randolph with the warriors. He&#039;s got too many flashes of brilliance. But too tall to be a wing and not bulky enough to be a 4. And certainly has too much future to trade away. Meanwhile that team languishes in mediocrity.

The least tangible part is mental. What would Kobe be without that drive to excel, to &#039;be like mike&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any GM that consistently cannot produce a winning product with high picks year after year will be shown the door.  This is why Chris Mullins is out of a job and a host of other GM&#8217;s.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t trust yourself to use the 4th pick wisely and give up on a future Kobe on Ariza, Martin and the #14 then you may as well throw in the towel.</p>
<p>High picks are the dream and nightmares of GM&#8217;s. Unfortunately the Yao, Bosh, Wade, James type players come along only once in a blue moon and then play a log time to haunt those who give up on them.  Certainly no one will blame morey for trading down. He will sleep easier and his job more secure. </p>
<p>Looking at the NBA star&#8217;s trajectory, there are those that take a year or two.  Hakeem showed skills right away but took the right scheme &#8216;ugly ball&#8217; and cast to win.  I thought Horry, Cassell were indispensable.  Some players need development. D-league is here to stay(it&#8217;s good to have a place to grow without pressure).. These development players are frustrating. Look at Anthony Randolph with the warriors. He&#8217;s got too many flashes of brilliance. But too tall to be a wing and not bulky enough to be a 4. And certainly has too much future to trade away. Meanwhile that team languishes in mediocrity.</p>
<p>The least tangible part is mental. What would Kobe be without that drive to excel, to &#8216;be like mike&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nyjets2k</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 05:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rahat,&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the update on Eliayhu earlier. I know this is completely a coincidence, but it is worth bearing in mind on Thursday because it&#039;s somewhat of a pattern. When the Rox chose to keep their selections, under Morey, they have always selected an upperclassmen, and a senior at that. At least, that&#039;s what comes to mind with the recent choices - Brooks, Landry, Budinger, Taylor, and maybe even Luther Head. Conversely, when they select an underclassmen, they end up dealing that player. See Rudy Gay and Donte Greene. I only bring this up as something to consider because if track record means anything, then, it does not seem likely that they would select Cousins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rahat,<br />Thanks for the update on Eliayhu earlier. I know this is completely a coincidence, but it is worth bearing in mind on Thursday because it&#39;s somewhat of a pattern. When the Rox chose to keep their selections, under Morey, they have always selected an upperclassmen, and a senior at that. At least, that&#39;s what comes to mind with the recent choices &#8211; Brooks, Landry, Budinger, Taylor, and maybe even Luther Head. Conversely, when they select an underclassmen, they end up dealing that player. See Rudy Gay and Donte Greene. I only bring this up as something to consider because if track record means anything, then, it does not seem likely that they would select Cousins.</p>
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