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@  thejohnnygold : (13 March 2013 - 03:06 AM) it's the ol' rope-a-dope!  he was playing possum all this time.
@  phaketrash : (13 March 2013 - 02:47 AM) Sad that if he continued to do badly, we would be wary of him (thinking he could not get better again), but now that he's doing well, he'd never leave LAL haha. Almost like a Catch 22.
@  phaketrash : (13 March 2013 - 02:46 AM) Over the last 4 wins, he's averaged 24.8 pts, 16.3 rebounds, and a ridiculous 4 blocks! Both him and D'antoni says he feels better conditioned and physically able to run PnRs and rebound, etc. again.
@  phaketrash : (13 March 2013 - 02:43 AM) Anyone else been watching Dwight Howard the last 5 games or so? He seems like he's healed up nicely
@  2016Champions : (12 March 2013 - 09:14 PM) You make it sound like free throw points don't count. Ttyl.
@  thenit : (12 March 2013 - 09:02 PM) I'm heading out ttyl
@  thenit : (12 March 2013 - 09:01 PM) no but he gets to the line thats the reason, his other stats in 2p and 3p shots are not great. his FT helps him
@  2016Champions : (12 March 2013 - 09:00 PM) Harden leads all starting SGs in the league in TS% so he's very efficient unlike Westbrook.
@  thenit : (12 March 2013 - 08:58 PM) Harden is not a great shooter either, he is slightly better than westbrook, and you have melo having the same FG% but better 3s. different people score in different ways.
@  thenit : (12 March 2013 - 08:54 PM) haha
@  thenit : (12 March 2013 - 08:53 PM) he is not a great jumpshooter that we already know, I think he is a top 10 offensive player. I don't think we willagree on this tho
@  2016Champions : (12 March 2013 - 08:51 PM) And his TS% is nothing to go home bragging to mom about.
@  2016Champions : (12 March 2013 - 08:50 PM) PER is a stat that takes things like rebounds and steals into account. If we're talking about just offense, we should look at TS% too
@  thenit : (12 March 2013 - 08:48 PM) he is the 6th highest scorer and his per is higher than irving and curry, he is not better than parker and he is not a great defender but offensively yes he is definately top 10
@  thenit : (12 March 2013 - 08:47 PM) he is a pretty poor shooter but when he attacks there is no pg that can stop him.
@  2016Champions : (12 March 2013 - 08:46 PM) Tony Parker doesn't have his athleticism, but it was Parker abusing Westbrook in the playoffs. Scott Brooks eventually had no choice but to put Sefalosha on Parker.
@  thenit : (12 March 2013 - 08:45 PM) I think he is top 10 offensively because he abuses the other pgs because of his athletism and pace
@  2016Champions : (12 March 2013 - 08:38 PM) So does Jrue Holiday, doesn't make him a top 10 offensive player.
@  thenit : (12 March 2013 - 08:35 PM) he gets assists as well
@  2016Champions : (12 March 2013 - 06:18 PM) TS% .531
Takes way too many long 2's and 3's at an inefficient rate. If you eliminate his his fast break points opportunities his level of efficiency would actually hurt his team almost as much as he helps his team.

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#1 Jason

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    Posted 11 March 2013 - 05:43 PM

    Not sure if he would necessarily make us contenders, but we would sure be fun to watch with him. Imagine this lineup (at times on the court):

    PF: J Smooth
    SF: Chandler bang
    C: T-Rob
    SG: The beard
    PG: Linsanity

    Wow

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    Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:29 PM

    Indeed.  I think I am more intrigued by this one:

     

    Asik  (7')

    D-Mo  (7')

    J.Smith  (6'9")

    Parsons  (6'9")

    Harden/Lin (6'5" or 6'4")

     

    That is so much height!  Given that all of them aside from Asik are quick as well I don't think an opponent could counter with a small-ball line-up...they would have to go big which would play into our hands...with that speed and 4 guys that can knock down threes we'd be successful on offense.  On defense, (presuming D-Mo gets it together) teams would be forced to try and shoot over the top and we would have three strong rebounders on the floor.  If this off-season Parsons could add a little post game that would give us 3 bigs we could put in the post...somebody is going to get a mismatch and be able to exploit it.  I know it isn't our style...but who says you can only have one style?

     

    The bench would give us plenty of flexibility behind them...I think we are going to find our cupboard is too full to give everyone the minutes they deserve by mid-season next year.  (not to get too far ahead of ourselves....)



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      Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:32 PM

      J Smooth would give us a ton of flexibility and multiple lineup options depending on game situations and matchups. I wish he could actually hit free throws, but besides that he is an excellent all around player and a great defensive player which I think we can all agree is needed in this team.

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      Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:37 PM

      I would definately put Asik in the starting line up over T-Rob, and JSmooth at PF where he has been most effective.

       

      In theory JSmooth should fit in perfectly with our team, he hits 3's in the right wing at a 38% clip. If we have him only take shots at the basket and the right wing he could be alot more efficient offensively, and obviously we welcome his defense with wide open arms so no problem there. With JSmooth we could become strong contenders, but I really hope he's willing to accept 4yrs/48m because the max is simply too much for a borderline all-star.



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        Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:45 PM

        Veteran's minimum, not a dime more.

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        Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:48 PM

        I'd be willing to go 4 year $60M for Smith.  That still leaves enough to sign another quality mid-level player if we wanted.  The Mavs were able to sign OJ Mayo for roughly $4-5M per year.....what a steal!



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        Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:49 PM

        Veteran's minimum, not a dime more.

         

        Well, we don't want to insult him.... ^_^



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          Posted 11 March 2013 - 06:57 PM

          I would definately put Asik in the starting line up over T-Rob, and JSmooth at PF where he has been most effective.

          In theory JSmooth should fit in perfectly with our team, he hits 3's in the right wing at a 38% clip. If we have him only take shots at the basket and the right wing he could be alot more efficient offensively, and obviously we welcome his defense with wide open arms so no problem there. With JSmooth we could become strong contenders, but I really hope he's willing to accept 4yrs/48m because the max is simply too much for a borderline all-star.


          Yeah, I didn't mean to start T-Rob. Of course Asik would start. What I was alluding to was the unbelievable athleticism with those guys all on the court at once.

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            Posted 11 March 2013 - 07:43 PM

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              Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:19 PM

              Offseason priorities:

              1. Josh Smith
              2. Josh Smith
              3. Josh Smith
              4. A couple veteran role players

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              Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:22 PM

              I would definately put Asik in the starting line up over T-Rob, and JSmooth at PF where he has been most effective.

               

              In theory JSmooth should fit in perfectly with our team, he hits 3's in the right wing at a 38% clip. If we have him only take shots at the basket and the right wing he could be alot more efficient offensively, and obviously we welcome his defense with wide open arms so no problem there. With JSmooth we could become strong contenders, but I really hope he's willing to accept 4yrs/48m because the max is simply too much for a borderline all-star.

               

              kekeke I see you have come around. WELCOME to the dark side.



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              Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:24 PM

              Lately I have been on a JSmoove high as well, for all the above stated reasons (and in the other thread). mm yes, could the Rockets be even more fun to watch? Yes, yes indeed. Would he make us an obvious contender? That I am less sure about, and I don't think I'd give him the max at 4 yrs...I'd rather rent for a yr to see, or hope he takes less. Imagine spending our $20M getting JSmoove and Redick. hmm...we'd actually still have enough assets to swing trades too. Absurd.



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                Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:39 PM

                Lately I have been on a JSmoove high as well, for all the above stated reasons (and in the other thread). mm yes, could the Rockets be even more fun to watch? Yes, yes indeed. Would he make us an obvious contender? That I am less sure about, and I don't think I'd give him the max at 4 yrs...I'd rather rent for a yr to see, or hope he takes less. Imagine spending our $20M getting JSmoove and Redick. hmm...we'd actually still have enough assets to swing trades too. Absurd.


                This is amazing, I think we actually agree on something!

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                Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:42 PM

                kekeke I see you have come around. WELCOME to the dark side.

                funny :lol:

                 

                phaketrash:

                I....... like you find myself changing views as more information and feedback come in from different posters at times. however j-smith is not on that list. while I would not be angry if we got him I still believe we can do better



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                  Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:47 PM

                  funny :lol:

                  phaketrash:
                  I....... like you find myself changing views as more information and feedback come in from different posters at times. however j-smith is not on that list. while I would not be angry if we got him I still believe we can do better



                  If by do better you mean Howard or Bynum, I disagree. We already have maybe the best defensive and rebounding center in the league (yes, I know that's a bold statement but what can I say, I'm a Rockets fan and believe in my players). He's definitely top 3 in both categories. So to take him off the court doesn't make sense to me. Give me J Smooth and let's run!

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                    Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:52 PM


                    If by do better you mean Howard or Bynum, I disagree. We already have maybe the best defensive and rebounding center in the league (yes, I know that's a bold statement but what can I say, I'm a Rockets fan and believe in my players). He's definitely top 3 in both categories. So to take him off the court doesn't make sense to me. Give me J Smooth and let's run!


                    Howard is a better rebounder and defender and can catch a lob. If they could get Howard there's no way they sign smith over him.

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                      Posted 11 March 2013 - 08:55 PM

                      If by do better you mean Howard or Bynum, I disagree. We already have maybe the best defensive and rebounding center in the league (yes, I know that's a bold statement but what can I say, I'm a Rockets fan and believe in my players). He's definitely top 3 in both categories. So to take him off the court doesn't make sense to me. Give me J Smooth and let's run!

                       

                      There is a difference between believing in your players/coaches and being absurd.  Howard is better at both defense and rebounding.  I love Asik but he isn't best in the league(top tier, absolutely), and that is fact.

                       

                       

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                        Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:00 PM

                        I don't want to check my message center. I prefer to post here only

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                          Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:01 PM

                          And I don't think I am being absurd. In fact, Asik averages more rebounds per 48 minutes this year than Howard. Check the numbers.

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                          Posted 11 March 2013 - 09:08 PM

                          If by do better you mean Howard or Bynum, I disagree. We already have maybe the best defensive and rebounding center in the league (yes, I know that's a bold statement but what can I say, I'm a Rockets fan and believe in my players). He's definitely top 3 in both categories. So to take him off the court doesn't make sense to me. Give me J Smooth and let's run!

                           

                          I like Asik a lot, but Howard when healthy is better I'd say. Lately, Howard has been playing VERY well and seems to be getting back up to snuff! If he keeps this up, I think those that dislike D12 will have to admit that he's "healing" nicely.

                           

                          I agree w/ RBF here in that I don't know if getting JSmoove even on a $48M/4 yr deal would make me really happy, but I would be intrigued. It'd certainly capture both my curiosity and my attention. But getting Howard instead...man, I'd take that over JSmoove. Howard, if he continues his trajectory back into old Howard, will make us contenders for sure. Immediately. Getting Howard doesn't mean Asik just disappears. BECAUSE Asik is a top tier defender at his position, on a very good contract, he becomes a very good trade asset...should we choose to move him. That's great for us. If we don't move him, maybe he and Howard and co-exist on the offense. I'm sure on the defensive end they could rather easily, and it'd solve our problem of: #1 half court defense when Asik is up, but #29 when Asik sits. Instead, we'd have like #1 halfcourt defense...all the time. Howard can run the fast break better than Asik and is even running PnR's again! (which he does much better than Asik as well). daaaang.






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