|
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 05:45 PM
Or proving that he is better playing off the ball rather than as primary option, which he would do in this system...
Exactly.
Another thing I really like about Josh Smith is that he plays back-up center, he has done a great job defending the likes of Demarcus Cousins for an entire 4th quarter holding him to only 4 points. He can also play back-up minutes at the 3 obviously. This gives us alot of versatility and makes it very hard for teams to match-up against us.
Don't be too quick to assume you're right and the experts are wrong.
"A fool who recognizes his own ignorance is thereby in fact a wise man, but a fool who considers himself wise -- that is what one really calls a fool." ~Gautama Buddha
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 05:50 PM
We played better with Patterson/Morris than we do with Greg Smith/Terrence Jones.
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:46 PM
Agreed. Morey gave away our best PF for a scrub. I don't think 2 Pat was the answer as a starting PF for us moving forward, but he was much more valuable than any of our current 4s in our system.
True statement, but value to our system currently and value to our future are different. This is similar to when Morey traded Carl Landry.
PPat showed he could be a solid starter/rotation player, but it was early enough that there is a glimmer of upside there. This is the best time to trade players like this because you will get close to max value. If he waits and tries to trade PPat next year, the return is probably not as good becaue it becomes pretty obvious that he has reached his ceiling. Like TRob or not, he was a top 5 pick and for the next trade deadline he will most likely have a greater return as a trade piece than PPat, especially if he shows some development.
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 06:54 PM
True statement, but value to our system currently and value to our future are different. This is similar to when Morey traded Carl Landry.
PPat showed he could be a solid starter/rotation player, but it was early enough that there is a glimmer of upside there. This is the best time to trade players like this because you will get close to max value. If he waits and tries to trade PPat next year, the return is probably not as good becaue it becomes pretty obvious that he has reached his ceiling. Like TRob or not, he was a top 5 pick and for the next trade deadline he will most likely have a greater return as a trade piece than PPat, especially if he shows some development.
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:10 PM
Cause Smith clogs the paint. Jones should be starting. He spreads the floor like Pat did. Smith needs to move to backup C.
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:12 PM
He won't have any trade value once teams realize he's a bust. See Hasheem Thabeet. Questionable move by Morey.
Really now? Cause I am pretty sure Hasheem Thabeet, Johnny Flynn, and a second round pick were turned into Marcus Camby. Camby was then turned into Toney Douglas and 2 2nd round picks (along with some cap casualties). TD plus PPat and Aldrich turned into top 5 pick halfway through his rookie season (TRob). TRob has at least one more season before he will be considered a bust (maybe 2) and odds are we try to move him this offseason or at the trade deadline at the latest. Just a reminder that Morey can make something out of nothing...
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:15 PM
And in your world it's always McHale's fault when the Rockets lose even though you admit that possibly our best PF right now is one that "has a chance to be that player IN THE FUTURE"ture, but they weren't the future. t-jones has a chance to be that player
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:15 PM
There is no point in hanging on to a player in the present because they make your team better now, if you know they are not a part of the future. Trade them at their highest value to get younger assets with longer trade lifetime. That is what Morey does.
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:21 PM
There is no point in hanging on to a player in the present because they make your team better now, if you know they are not a part of the future. Trade them at their highest value to get younger assets with longer trade lifetime. That is what Morey does.
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:40 PM
ture, but they weren't the future. t-jones has a chance to be that player
Looking at Jones shooting stroke I don't think he will ever be a reliable 3pt shooter. Josh Smith isn't either but he passes so well that it's less of a problem, and the fact he knocks down 38% of his threes in the right wing is respectable at least.
Don't be too quick to assume you're right and the experts are wrong.
"A fool who recognizes his own ignorance is thereby in fact a wise man, but a fool who considers himself wise -- that is what one really calls a fool." ~Gautama Buddha
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:51 PM
Looking at Jones shooting stroke I don't think he will ever be a reliable 3pt shooter. Josh Smith isn't either but he passes so well that it's less of a problem, and the fact he knocks down 38% of his threes in the right wing is respectable at least.
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 07:54 PM
Yeah, and just because a player is in the mold of another player doesn't mean he will ever approach that player's production. Otherwise we would have PFs including: the next Dirk (D Mo), Josh Smith (T Jones), Karl Malone (T Rob), and Otis Thorpe (Greg Smith).
hahaha exactly
Don't be too quick to assume you're right and the experts are wrong.
"A fool who recognizes his own ignorance is thereby in fact a wise man, but a fool who considers himself wise -- that is what one really calls a fool." ~Gautama Buddha
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:50 PM
Looking at Jones shooting stroke I don't think he will ever be a reliable 3pt shooter. Josh Smith isn't either but he passes so well that it's less of a problem, and the fact he knocks down 38% of his threes in the right wing is respectable at least.
funny how you didn't say that in another thread....that t-jones 3pt shoot can't be fixed 
so which is it huh!
And in your world it's always McHale's fault when the Rockets lose even though you admit that possibly our best PF right now is one that "has a chance to be that player IN THE FUTURE"
YES what else you want to know?
Advanced Member
Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:11 PM
Just to make a point...
Lamarcus Aldridge has played NBA basketball for 7 seasons. His teams have made the playoffs only 3 times and been ousted in the first round all three times (only once by a team that made it all the way--the champion Mavs). He has been surrounded by talent in the likes of Brando Roy, Nicolas Batum, Damian Lillard, and a bevy of worthy role players (feel free to look at the rosters yourselves). As a star player on this team, it's failings are a direct reflection of his failings and have nothing to do with anything else. We definitely do not want him on our team. Acquiring Lamarcus Aldridge = first round exit every year....except for the years we don't even make the playoffs.
That is basically what Anti-Josh Smith arguments sound like... 
Advanced Member
Posted 19 April 2013 - 09:38 PM
I'm bored and feel like throwing a little more fuel on this fire as it is interesting to put the playoff success of stars into focus...
Chris Paul: 8 years experience, 5 years getting to playoffs (counting this year), 2 first round exits, and 2 second round exits (including last year's 4-0 sweep by the Spurs with three blowouts). Has never played a full NBA season. He played with Tyson Chandler, David West, Peja, Carl Landry, and others
Dwight Howard: 9 years experience, 6 years getting to playoffs (counting this year), 2 first round exits, 1 second rd., and 1 3rd. Went to finals once (lost 4-1 to Lakers). Career playoff averages of 20 pts. & 10 rebs. with 3 blocks. During the finals run he averaged 20 and 15. (note: this is in 40 mpg). Also of note is that year he was surrounded by 11 players who shot above 33% from 3, 5 shot better than 38%, 3 shot over 40%. Certainly, his presence affected them getting easier looks, but it was the elite 3 pt. shooting that carried that team as much as Dwight (and Hedo! He played so well in the '09 finals he scored a 5 yr. $53M contract!). I can only imagine Dwight would have a similar effect here...Alas, this is all context and that isn't the point of this. Maybe it is...if they hadn't made it that year would we view him differently?
Josh Smith: 9 years experience, 6 years getting to playoffs (counting this year), 2 first round exits, 3 second round exits...we all know the rest...
Point is, this argument against Smith is flawed. I'll accept arguments against his shot selection and bball IQ, but to proclaim him a loser based on playoff record is a fallacy. How many other "star" players have similar records? Tim Duncan (one of the greatest ever) has been to the playoffs 15 of his 16 years (counting this year) and lost 10 times (we know what happened the rest). Going back to 1980 only 9 different teams have won championships. During that span a lot of great players came and went. Here's the list of teams.
There is an interesting quality amongst sports fans that I often observe. It is the notion that their team exists in a vacuum; specifically, they forget that the other team is trying to win too. The other team has high-caliber, fierce competitors trying to achieve the same goal as your team. Success is not based solely on one side's performance--it is possible to play well and still lose. I'm not pointing this at any one in particular--just a general observation.
0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users
