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@  RollingWave : (09 May 2013 - 10:01 AM) The west is such a brutal conference though, I mean if the Heat was in the West, it's probably at least a 30% chance they don't make it to the finals either. almost everything is good enough that if enough things lineup right for a brief stretch your done.
@  2016Champions : (09 May 2013 - 04:35 AM) I've been saying ppl need to stop sleeping on the Spurs, but if they lose this series I'm going into deep slumber on them. Like Demolition Man cryonically frozen slumber.
@  blakecouey : (09 May 2013 - 03:31 AM) Well Hack-A-Bogut is going to get the Spurs back into this game.  They should've been put away, big shots falling again tonight.
@  blakecouey : (09 May 2013 - 02:55 AM) I don't know if he realizes it, but they're the same age whether they win or lose.
@  blakecouey : (09 May 2013 - 02:55 AM) "If/when these guys win tonight we cant no longer call these guys young" - Shaq on The Warriors.
@  pharmag : (07 May 2013 - 10:17 PM) @2016, that is too true!  Of course it helps that South Beach, LA, and NYC teams have their cap room tied up for forseeable future (barring a D12 or CP3 bailing)
@  2016Champions : (07 May 2013 - 02:59 PM) I feel like we're becoming one of the most desired destinations now too, our organization is moving on up!
@  feelingsuper... : (07 May 2013 - 01:09 PM) That is a good sign when other organizations cherry pick your staff. I think the culture and system that the Rockets have put in place and begun to develop in the end will be far more important than any coach.
@  blakecouey : (07 May 2013 - 03:10 AM) Going to miss Sampson.  Everything Ive heard/read/seen say hes a great coach.
@  RollingWave : (07 May 2013 - 02:54 AM) Our D, at least in half court, was very sound, the transition part though... eeek.
@  2016Champions : (07 May 2013 - 02:50 AM) Sampson was the mastermind behind our underrated defense.
@  Richards : (07 May 2013 - 02:30 AM) We all knew Morey put together the team and McHale/Sampson coached the players. Sampson was a mastermind behind coaching.
@  feelingsuper... : (07 May 2013 - 02:08 AM) You got a right to your opinion but seems like Morey is the brains to me, thought that was obvious with the offensive scheme and all that. Rockets coaching is about leadership at this point which McHale possesses in spades.
@  Richards : (07 May 2013 - 02:04 AM) Well, by reading what players said throughout the season, Sampson seems to be the brain behind Rockets basketball.
@  feelingsuper... : (07 May 2013 - 01:52 AM) Of course he stays, what do you mean by that question? It is a strange question since what assistants do would never effect a head coach that way.
@  Richards : (07 May 2013 - 12:51 AM) Will McHale stay if Sampson got coaching job at another team?
@  RollingWave : (05 May 2013 - 09:37 AM) Irving still need to work on a few things (most notably defense), his performance considering his age is great.
@  Dan G : (04 May 2013 - 06:50 AM) Damn..who knew tonight was gonna be close out the series night? Four Games 6s and four closeouts.
@  feelingsuper... : (04 May 2013 - 06:28 AM) Whatever comes the next few seasons (barring injuries) it will be hard to match the unadulterated excitement we had watching these young Rockets this past year, it was definitely some kind of roller coaster ride...
@  thenit : (04 May 2013 - 04:36 AM) Irving will be nasty good when LBJ will return to Cleveland as the lost son

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#1 DaDakota

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:19 AM

There is a rumor that the Rockets are still after him, and it would cost, Royce White, Kevin Martin and the Toronto pick.

Would ya?

I would not, no need to hit purgatory any longer.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:59 AM

Absolutely.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:15 AM

duh.........no doubt about it. smith is better than just about anybody you could get with the raptors pick, even though I like white he would be colateral damage and martin goes without saying. this is a deal I would wait till the trade deadline to do if I were the rockets. that way smith won't keep us from getting a good draft pick. then next year we could end up with a high draft pick the bird rights to smith and the cap room to bring in another star.......say bynum maybe?

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:29 AM

But Smith has peaked and by the time the Rockets would be actually any good he will be old, and Royce still has potential.

I just think it would be the wrong time to make a move like that, and doesn't make the team an actual contender, so why bother?

Let the young guys play and see if any of them have that "IT" factor.

I would hate for someone to discover that "IT" factor on someone elses team.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:38 AM

Smith is only 26

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    Posted 22 August 2012 - 11:19 AM

    Id do it, but I would rather find a way to keep the rookies from this year out of the deal. Although it keeps a logjam at forward. I agree with dadakota I wouldn't want one of them breaking out on another team. I would rather them send Patterson and Morris instead of White.

    As I said though its still a deal Id be willing to do.
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    Posted 22 August 2012 - 12:09 PM

    Agree with blake, I'd go for it if we send at least one "and a half" PF in return, and if Patterson is one of them. And it definitely has to be at the deadline, because it's a good chance that Lin-Smith-Asik together the entire season make the playoffs.....

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    Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:49 PM

    if atlanta knows for sure that they want to move him, what is their motivation to wait til the deadline?

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    Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:11 PM

    if atlanta knows for sure that they want to move him, what is their motivation to wait til the deadline?


    None, but if we deal right now, we won't be getting a lottery pick. If they want to deal him, it's their thing, but it's not appealing for us at this point, later on it might be.

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    Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:23 PM

    It's a tough one. He is definitely a solid player, but after looking over his stats--found here--I am less impressed....I don't get to see him much...am I missing something? I think I would rather cling tightly to the Toronto pick....It's not that hard to find a guy that can go for 16 and 9 as the #2 option on a team. Plus, his efficiency is not that great, he doesn't get very many fouls and when he does his FT% is low. Unless he goes all out Z-Bo and finds another level I just don't think he is worth it. I guess with Joe Johnson gone we will find out what he can do as a #1 option.

    Also agree with waiting till deadline. Atlanta may want to free up that salary to make a run at Dwight this Summer and be willing to take less.

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    Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:46 PM

    None, but if we deal right now, we won't be getting a lottery pick. If they want to deal him, it's their thing, but it's not appealing for us at this point, later on it might be.


    yeah i guess what i was getting at is they could be using the same train of thought - if we (atlanta) keep him until the deadline, we're going to hurt our upcoming draft slot. just kind of flipping the idea onto their thinking. if thats our perspective, then they could be thinking likewise.

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    Posted 22 August 2012 - 05:54 PM

    I hear you guys, and did not realize he was only 26, but still don't find him all that impressive or a building block for our future, which is honestly 3 to 4 years away if we are lucky.

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      Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:31 PM

      No way. I completely agree with Dadakota. I don't view him as a building block. By the time we're good again, he'll be 30. I want this team to bottom out and hold onto that pick and build through the draft. I'd be livid if the Rockets made a deal like this.

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      Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:38 PM

      I agree with those saying to make the trade. And like others have said definitely hold off as long as possible. I am not so concerned about trading rookies being that I believe Summer League play can often be fool's gold. There is a long list of players that played well in the summer and never made an NBA roster. Anyway, you go for Smith as he probably has a good 6 productive years ahead of him. I do like the idea of keeping the Toronto pick if possible though.

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      Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:25 PM

      My issue with Smith is that he relies heavily on his athleticism, and when that wanes he will more than likely struggle, remember how fast Steve Francis fell off?

      Same thing here.

      And he is undersized, even for the Rockets only 6'7" I believe....and not a building block, so to me, he is just another case of treading water, and there is no need to do that now.

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        Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:46 PM

        My issue with Smith is that he relies heavily on his athleticism, and when that wanes he will more than likely struggle, remember how fast Steve Francis fell off?

        Same thing here.

        And he is undersized, even for the Rockets only 6'7" I believe....and not a building block, so to me, he is just another case of treading water, and there is no need to do that now.

        DD

        That's my thought too.

        If you get him, your lineup is Smith, Parsons, Asik, Lamb, Lin. You probably win 35 games? No Toronto pick. You have your own pick which is maybe 10th and then you improve the internal development of Lamb and Motie? What purpose does it serve? I'd rather just throw Motie out there and keep the pick and White. We cannot tread water anymore.

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        Posted 22 August 2012 - 09:11 PM

        i really had no opinion either way, but im starting to lean towards DD and Rahat

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        Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:39 PM

        I agree with you, guys (Rahat, DD, Tom), that's why I would hold. I know 7 months are not really quality time to let the rookies prove their worth, but what if they turn out to be much worse than expected? Smith is not a cornerstone, but would definitely allure someone else to come to the Rockets. He is overpaid and he'll keep being overpaid, that's the main reason why I wouldn't make that trade, but it's an option.
        And as I said, I would go through with it in February, not now

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        Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:30 AM

        Initially I wouldve done this deal in a heartbeat since we'd be getting a guy like Josh Smith . But after reading TheJohnnyGold's comment , I too am less impressed and I wouldnt do that trade anymore . Josh Smith only averages 16 and 9 , and IMO Pattrick Patterson can average those numbers EASILY , now that his ankles are healthy , now that theres a training camp this time , and now that he will be getting heavy starter minutes . Even Mottie can average those numbers sometime in his career if given the right amount of minutes . Both Patterson and Mottie can do what Josh Smith can do , and maybe even more so I see no reason in why we would need Josh Smith . Probably the only reasons though would be that :

        1. He is an all star ( something we dont have as of right now )

        2. He has freakish athleticism and is exciting to watch ( he would be the most exciting rocket and can maybe even sell a few more tickets , just imagine Lin throwing him alleys )

        3. He could lure in another star to Houston

        And knowing Daryl Morey , he'd probably do the trade just because its Josh Smith . He'd probably do that trade for the exact reasons I just stated . But whether that trade does happen or not , its not really that big of a deal ( IMO )

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          Posted 23 August 2012 - 02:57 AM

          Smith is a guy you add when you already have a star. White Martin and a pick wouldn't be a bad deal it just isn't the right time.




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