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[nbc] Carlos Delfino is now a Rocket


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#1 blakecouey

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    Posted 14 August 2012 - 01:09 AM

    http://probasketball...-two-year-deal/

    So we have signed Carlos Delfino now. We had offered him a contract a week or two ago and he had said he was waiting until the Olympics were over. Now that they're over, we have another wing.

    The deal is for two years, second year being a team option.

    Certainly this means KMart is being moved, soon? It makes zero sense to have Martin, Lamb, AND Delfino. Anyways, I havent seen a single reader here that seemed to want this move to be made, but oh well it's been done anyways.

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    #2 ale11

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    Posted 14 August 2012 - 02:57 AM

    Really? Morey definitely wants to get fired

    #3 tombrokeoff

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    Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:35 AM

    damn i just want the damn season to start so we can get a better idea of the roster

    #4 bballguy

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      Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:44 AM

      I don't understand this signing. If we are trying to tank, what is the point of Delfino. He is too old to be part of our youth movement and the Rockets already have too many wings.

      #5 DaDakota

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      Posted 14 August 2012 - 05:05 AM

      WTF is going on over there? Can't they stick to a single plan for once?

      They get rid of Scola and then sign Delfino? WTF for?

      Let the young guys play...

      I get more and more convinced that Morey is poor at overall roster building.

      #6 rocketrick

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        Posted 14 August 2012 - 07:19 AM

        In my opinion signing Delfino is just to add some quality depth to our guard positions. And when we finally trade K-Mart (likely closer to the trade deadline), there is no guarantee we'll receive a 2 in return so having Delfino on the roster makes more sense. I fully expect the young guys are going to get the majority of the minutes anyway except for those 2-3 who prove to not be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

        I listened to Morey's interview on 790 the other day and he mentioned the Rockets planned to play an uptempo style this year. So even if we end up losing more games than usual this year, it sounds like they'll at least be fun to watch.

        #7 Sir Thursday

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        Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:40 AM

        As I've said elsewhere, having a team with only young players is not a recipe for success. See the Washington Wizards until the trade deadline last year, or Sacramento from a few years back. You need one or two veterans players who are willing to mentor the young guys and teach them the tricks they need to survive at NBA level, whether those are on the court of off it. At the moment, all we have for that is Martin, and he's not enough, so I can understand why we'd bring in Delfino.

        It's also insurance against a shortage of players at Small Forward. Until I see otherwise, I don't see White or Jones being able to play more than the odd minute here or there at the 3. So that means our wing rotation consisted of Martin, Lamb, Parsons and Morris and now we're adding Delfino. That means injuries aren't going to be a problem, and Morey will be able to swing deals mid-season without having to figure out how our wing-depth is going to play out.

        Another plus is that it will let Lamb play with a veteran presence more. Martin/Lamb is not a good wing pairing as they are too similar, but Lamb/Delfino can work.

        I can understand why someone might be opposed to this deal, but I think it makes sense if you're trying to build a team that's going to grow this year. I don't want to see Wizards-like dysfunction setting in because the lockerroom is young and devoid of experience. Hopefully with this that won't happen.

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        #8 Rahat Huq

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          Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:19 PM

          Some thoughts on this signing: http://www.red94.net...o-signing/9954/

          #9 blakecouey

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            Posted 14 August 2012 - 12:51 PM

            Good article Rahat...sums up just about everything there is for me to say.
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              Posted 14 August 2012 - 01:43 PM

              I think CD will be a better mentor for the youth at both wing positions than KM at the SG. It seems to me he comes on as a mentor to Lamb and White. Moreso for White though, because his skill set is so vast and we are so stacked at PF, (White's natural position, which he's a tad short for), I could see the Rockets wanting to transition him into more of a wing role, and a versatile wing like Delfino would be just the guy to show him the ropes.

              Alas, there's always the fear that Alexander saw so much potential in our youth that he told Morey to pick up a couple pieces and see if we can win some games and maybe limp into the playoffs. That would be disastrous. Delfino, if used incorrectly may just add up to too many wins this season.

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              Posted 14 August 2012 - 01:57 PM

              i gave up on trying to figure out whats going on

              #12 Rahat Huq

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                Posted 14 August 2012 - 02:24 PM

                View PostAlituro, on 14 August 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

                Alas, there's always the fear that Alexander saw so much potential in our youth that he told Morey to pick up a couple pieces and see if we can win some games and maybe limp into the playoffs. That would be disastrous. Delfino, if used incorrectly may just add up to too many wins this season.
                My God...

                #13 thejohnnygold

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                  Posted 14 August 2012 - 02:24 PM

                  I agree that the signing is a little strange, but let's not panic. Delfino is not carrying us anywhere near the playoffs. Maybe we win a handful of games we wouldn't have if he goes off for 20-25 pts. I like his ability to mentor and fill gaps in the roster once we dump KMart. I would prefer to bottom out and get the best draft spot possible, but I am cool with Delfino helping out....unless he morphs into Manu 2.0....but that wouldn't be so bad either....

                  #14 amacbrooks12

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                    Posted 14 August 2012 - 02:32 PM

                    My only assumption from this would be that K-Mart will probably be moved very soon or around the beginning of the season . Because now that we have three shooting guards , one of those three wont be seeing the floor very often and that is most likely going to be Delfino ( unless we deal Martin ) .

                    As far as that mentor stuff , I dont believe Delfino can be that guy . I rather have K-Mart be the guy that mentors Jeremy Lamb because hes had a much more successful career than Delfino and has a higher skillset than Delfino as well . Martin and Lamb almost play exactly alike except Lamb can play better defense , is more athletic , and is more explosive . Both of them together would be a great shooting guard duo to watch and Lamb ( IMO ) can learn more from Martin than Delfino .

                    Btw I think I am the only one here that believes Kevin Martin can score 20 points every single night if he wanted to , and I think I'm the only one that likes him lol . Because most of you guys seem like you hate him and cant stand him , with all the negative comments I have read about him from here .

                    #15 DaDakota

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                    Posted 14 August 2012 - 02:50 PM

                    Look,

                    Delfino had a good Olympics, but overall he is a crap player, he is an average shooter, a terrible defender and he is 100% a chucker, he plays out of control far too often, he is just not good.

                    The reeks of Olympic hangover, where the Rockets signed him to get some of the hispanic fans to come to the games.

                    It makes no sense to have him on this team, he is not a good enough player to mentor anyone, and he takes time away from the young guys.

                    I have no faith in Morey, I think he is the Spaghetti man, he just tosses the noodles against the wall to see which ones stick.

                    DD

                    #16 Alituro

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                      Posted 14 August 2012 - 02:58 PM

                      View Postamacbrooks12, on 14 August 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

                      My only assumption from this would be that K-Mart will probably be moved very soon or around the beginning of the season . Because now that we have three shooting guards , one of those three wont be seeing the floor very often and that is most likely going to be Delfino ( unless we deal Martin ) .

                      As far as that mentor stuff , I dont believe Delfino can be that guy . I rather have K-Mart be the guy that mentors Jeremy Lamb because hes had a much more successful career than Delfino and has a higher skillset than Delfino as well . Martin and Lamb almost play exactly alike except Lamb can play better defense , is more athletic , and is more explosive . Both of them together would be a great shooting guard duo to watch and Lamb ( IMO ) can learn more from Martin than Delfino .

                      Btw I think I am the only one here that believes Kevin Martin can score 20 points every single night if he wanted to , and I think I'm the only one that likes him lol . Because most of you guys seem like you hate him and cant stand him , with all the negative comments I have read about him from here .

                      To me, Martin scores points, and that's all. He used to be able to rely on getting to the line by initiating contact, but the refs stopped calling offensively initiated fouls last year, thus rendering Martin even less effective. His defense is beyond deplorable, he's too wiry and frail to fight through screens or pick up on the roll guy, and his defensive inefficiencies make his offensive performances a wash. I wouldn't want Martin teaching his flopping habits, nor his only defensive attribute which is committing to a steal, which hurts us more often than not. I'd rather have someone who may be less talented (generally), but more solid fundamentally mentoring the youth, and just plain "more solid" period.

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                      Posted 14 August 2012 - 03:20 PM

                      http://www.nba.com/p...carlos_delfino/

                      Delfino is a 40% CAREER shooter......he is just not very good.

                      He is the definition of a guy that can sometimes get hot, but more often than not misses.


                      He is an average 3pt shooter too...36%....

                      WTF - I really don't get this signing at all.

                      Not a mentor player, not very good, no need.

                      Seems like Lin 2.0....keep some fans in the seats Daryl while we rebuild.

                      WEAKSAUCE !

                      DD


                      #18 Stephen

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                        Posted 14 August 2012 - 04:18 PM

                        amacbrooks12,
                        I agree Martin can be a 20ppg scorer. The lack of much else is also true,but it's an interesting question whether his scoring on a team that desperately needs that in the half-court out-weighs his other short-comings.

                        The big problem w/Martin is that his ship has sailed w/the Rockets. He was brought in to be Yao's gunner,the guy who would nail the open looks Yao would generate. His assortment of fakes would draw fouls from players rushing to close out and combined w/Yao's ability to draw fouls would enable the Rockets to hammer foes into submission at the FT line.
                        Now,there's no Yao,no low-post scorer who has to be doubled,no elite wing who sucks in the defense. Martin's skill-set is essentially negated.
                        In the Rockets high weave offense,Martin's lack of good handles means he doesn't suit the offense being run.
                        He just doesn't fit what the team is going to run on offense. Oh,he'd still get points,because he's too good a scorer,but it'd be like using a Corvette to go grocery shopping.

                        What everyone who doesn't want Martin traded fails to realize is this is THE LAST YEAR of his contract.
                        There is zero chance of the Rockets wanting to re-sign Martin,just as there's zero chance Martin would want to re-sign.(Aleady rumors have been spreading that Minn didn't trade for him because they know they can sign him as a FA next yr.)
                        Should the Rockets keep a player this yr that they know isn't in their plans?
                        Esp when they have his heir apparent on the roster?
                        Playing Martin the significant minutes he should get will certainly limit the minutes Lamb would get.
                        Martin's time has come and gone,and the sooner the Rockets move him,the better for all concerned.

                        As to Delfino,he's a guy who has both started and come off the bench.
                        He starts at SG the beginning of Season while Lamb adjusts to NBA,and esp the NBA 3pt line.
                        Then come Feb after Lamb has shown he's made it past the rookie wall,Delfino can transition to 6th man while Lamb starts.

                        As to the impact of Delfino on wins and losses,let's face it Charlotte,Orlando,Cleveland will be dreadful. Someone else is going to fall apart. It's unlikely the Rockets will be a top 5 Lottery team so what's really the difference in drafting say 7 or 14 in a weak Draft? Esp when the Rockets have other picks to use to move up?

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                          Posted 14 August 2012 - 05:38 PM

                          This doesn't make sense to me but whatever. I don't see how delfino is a mentor, is he gonna teach lamb how to flop? People say we need veterans to keep a winning attitude and teach guys some veteran tricks and use Sacramento and wachington as examples are wrong Sacramento just has a poorly put together team even the veterans they Added don't fit together and the wiz got wall before they added veterans around him instead of their group of knuckle heads. We don't have a guy like wall to build around yet and delfino isn't like nene or okafor/ariza etc...

                          #20 Johnny Rocket

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                            Posted 14 August 2012 - 06:57 PM

                            If Lamb can't beat out Delfino for significant minutes--whether Martin's traded or not--then Lamb is not nearly as good as we all have supposed.





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