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@  slick shoes : (24 March 2016 - 02:54 AM) we don't deserve a playoff spot. this is an awful basketball team.
@  majik19 : (24 March 2016 - 02:43 AM) major loss for playoffs...
@  majik19 : (23 March 2016 - 02:44 AM) fitting that they lost on a dumb turnover.
@  thenit : (20 March 2016 - 02:40 PM) Its time someone in the team got into Harden's face. I don't even care what the reason was or if Jet was at fault, just good that someone is willing to do it
@  slick shoes : (20 March 2016 - 12:04 AM) did anyone just see James and JET get in to it? they had to be separated by Brewer.
@  thenit : (17 March 2016 - 09:25 PM) I don't know, Feigen tweeted that they had another meeting, and that Dmo said that we had 6 or 6 of those according to feigen. Basically said its no time to talk because nothing changes and walk the walk
@  slick shoes : (17 March 2016 - 09:19 PM) Who is calling these meetings? Does anyone even show up at this point?
@  thenit : (17 March 2016 - 08:48 PM) Its laughable, they had another players only meeting. I think its like the 10th one. Still no change. Its so stupid, like Dmo said whats the point of talking if we don't play hard.
@  slick shoes : (17 March 2016 - 02:54 AM) are you surprised? this is the same team that we've seen all season. so much talk from the locker room about improvement and change. the grizz win was a fluke.
@  Cooper : (17 March 2016 - 02:52 AM) on pace to give up 144 at half, pathetic effort.
@  RocketMan : (15 March 2016 - 11:34 PM) Per the references, yes.
@  slick shoes : (15 March 2016 - 12:51 PM) Is Terrence Jones even on the team any more?
@  majik19 : (12 March 2016 - 06:15 AM) didn't watch the whole game, but we actually looked solid on both ends. the defense was rotating appropriately. i can hardly believe it.
@  DenverRocket : (11 March 2016 - 08:51 PM) Great interview with DM: http://espn.go.com/e...lay?id=14951528
@  majik19 : (10 March 2016 - 02:20 AM) pathetic how close this game is...
@  thejohnnygold : (06 March 2016 - 12:48 AM) Those are some sweet socks. Have fun!
@  bboley24 : (05 March 2016 - 06:38 PM) Im going to the game tonight in Chicago. Ill be in the bright rockets sweater. Wearing my socks as usual. Then off to the Cleveland game in a few weeks as well! My wife is an amazing woman.
@  thejohnnygold : (05 March 2016 - 05:52 PM) Dekker and Harell looking pretty good down in RGV...especially Harell. LINK
@  majik19 : (03 March 2016 - 04:53 PM) the Rockets are so desperate they signed Michael Beasley to a 1+ year contract...
@  thejohnnygold : (03 March 2016 - 01:59 AM) Gotta admit, I like what I'm seeing so far...4 minutes left in 1st half and the entire team looks good...now if we can just get some of these 3's to fall...

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Ball don’t Lie: Michael Beasley and Moreyball


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#1 Red94

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    Posted 17 March 2016 - 04:57 PM

    New post: Ball don’t Lie: Michael Beasley and Moreyball
    By: Paul McGuire

    When the Rockets announced that they had signed Michael Beasley, I have to admit I was extremely surprised.

     

    I went to school in Minnesota during the years that Beasley was with the Timberwolves, and went to a lot of games because tickets were cheap. So I have watched a decent amount of Beasley over the years, and my conclusion was that Beasley is not just a bad basketball player. It is that he is a bad Moreyball player – someone who scores efficiently and who can be snagged for a low price. Beasley with the Wolves took a bunch of midrange shots which went in enough for him to draw high volume scoring totals, but it did not make him a player.

     

    In general, Beasley’s fundamental problems are that he is not a good off-ball player because he always has to dribble before he shoots, he cannot shoot threes, and he is not much of a defender. When you also consider the fact that he is 27 and that the Rockets have plenty of power forwards, I did not understand why Morey signed Beasley as opposed to some younger D-League player with potential instead.

     

    And while Beasley has performed far better than expected, I should caution Rockets fans on massively overevaluating Beasley. There is one, simple statistic which should concern those who think Beasley is a long-term solution: Over these past five games as a Rocket, Beasley is shooting 62.5 percent from 10-16 feet.

     

    In short, those mid-range jumpers Beasley takes all the time are actually going in. But this is an anomaly and will regress. Beasley’s best percentage over a full season from that space on a court is 46 percent. And if you want to claim that Beasley has just learned to shoot better, Dirk Nowitzki’s best percentage over a season is 51 percent.

     

    So when those mid-range jumpers stop falling for Beasley, what then? I will note that Beasley has been much more aggressive getting to the rim than I have ever seen, so that is a good sign for his scoring potential. Perhaps he will continue to do so, be a reliable scorer, and stick it out on the Rockets rotation for this season and perhaps the future.

     

    But given the defensive problems as well as his lack of three-point shooting ability, I would not describe Beasley by any stretch as a “Moreyball” player of the kind that Daryl Morey would sign in the past. And as the Rockets finish this season off with massively lowered expectations and Morey’s seat grow warmer, I cannot help but ask:

     

    Does Moreyball still exist?

     

    History repeats itself

     

    If we wind the clock back a decade, we can remember just why Morey was brought in to manage the Rockets in the first place. The Rockets had two superstars, and Morey was supposed to find undervalued role players around them that he could get at a cheap price, just like Billy Beane did with the Oakland A’s ( or at least I understand he did, since I pay zero attention to baseball).

     

    From that perspective, perhaps Beasley is undervalued and thus ties into the Moreyball philosophy. But the catch is that the moves Morey made in this offseason were not really about bringing in “undervalued” guys.

     

    Was bringing Corey Brewer and Patrick Beverley back at those elevated contracts an example of Moreyball? What about the Ty Lawson mess? While critics have attacked Morey this season for not understanding the role of chemistry and overevaluating statistics, I would argue that this season has been distinctly unMoreylike. To avoid tampering with chemistry, Morey just brought back the same team with some minor changes, and did not bother to look at the warning signs which surrounded the Rockets at the end of last season.

     

    And as I watch Beasley fire off another mid-range jumper, I also cannot wonder if Morey might be moving away from the three and inside shot philosophy he has held for most of his tenure. No one is going to outshoot Golden State from long range for some time, and there is no point to such an arms race. Instead, the best avenue is to find another avenue of attack so that Golden State can be countered in another way.

     

    What is that other way? If I knew, I would be working for the Rockets, not writing this article. But as we watch the Warriors come ever closer to breaking that Bulls record, I cannot help but wonder if this era, in addition to changing what we knew as basketball, will change what we knew as Moreyball over this past decade.

     

    And perhaps the Beasley signing is a road onto that path.


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      Posted 17 March 2016 - 05:49 PM

      isn't this: http://vorped.com/1-...sley/shotchart/v. http://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/896/michael-beasley/shotchart/ what your analysis is missing?

       

      I know the sample size is still small, but he's driving to the basket more often (which also explains why he's able to shoot at a higher clip from midrange, players are more wary about closing out on the fear that he's going to drive past, so he gets a second more to set and shoot). Even if his midrange reverts to his career mean, he will still be a more efficient scorer if he keeps up his current shot selection. 

       

      Also, note that he seems to have become much stronger at finishing in the right side of the paint. 


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      #3 Jatman20

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        Posted 17 March 2016 - 09:44 PM

        I believe Morey is coming to terms with the fact that a team needs "some" mid-range jumpers.....more than Harden setting up a player to drive around and the occasional Ariza and Jet shot in which they were run off the 3 point line. JSmoove in his history has shot well from 10 feet and in; but from 14' to the 3 point line has been abismal for his history. Beasley has better range while Josh has better passing skills. It may be the FT shooting that has Beasley in the lineup more than Josh now. TJ and Josh may be buried deep on the bench until a spark is needed during a pivotal key moment of one of the playoff games.

        I proposed a trade with the Knicks for Melo as a rental back when we had Lin and Asik. It was meant to catch lightning in a bottle and see what or if Harden and Melo could coexist as they have while playing on national teams. Mostly it was salary dump so the Rockets wouldn't have had to eaten both poison pill contracts of both Asik and Lin. We had to beg the Lakers to take Lin by giving them a 1st round pick. But I digress. I was not in favor of going after Melo in free agency and I did not care for the Rockets going after Bosh. Pursuing LMA was another mistake Morey made. Having said that.....Durant may be a different kind of animal. Due to the fact that Harden and Durant are friends. No state income tax plays into effect as well. Lawson was the other friend of Durant that was suppose to lure him to Houston. So now there is a supposed connection-bond between Durant and Beasley on YouTube. I have been so busy to look it up.....but here we go again. It's still my opinion that the Rockets will pursue both Horford and Durant this free agency period. I have read rumor that Durant has Horford on his short list of who he would like to play B-ball with (on his team).

        IMHO....this off season will see a roster turnover again. TJ, Josh, Brewer, KJ, Jet, D12 will be gone. Jury is still out on D-Mo and Beasley. KJ and Brewer are successful on ESPN trade machine for Korver and Mike Scott. If our guys look good from this point on and we can add some sweetiner.
        It could happen. Korver shot like 28% from 3 in December due to nagging injuries (bring his % down). I hope the Hawks are still in the business of moving Korver this off season like they were on the trade deadline.
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          Posted 19 March 2016 - 06:42 PM

          ........... Howard 15-16 ....... Mins ............ Pts ......... FG% .......... FT% ......... Reb ........... Blk ............. ORtg ............. DRtg ......
          ............................................ 33 ............. 14.6 ........ 61.7 .......... 50.4 ......... 12 ............. 1.5 ................. 112 .............. 104 ..........
          ......... Beasley ......(7 gms).. 16.4 ........... 12.4 ........ 52.9 ......... 84.6 ......... 4.9 ............ 0.6. ................ 111 .............. 104 ..........

          ........... Per 36 mins ....................... Pts .............................. Reb .............................. Ast ............................. Blk ..........................
          ...................... Howard .................. 16.1 ............................. 13.3. ............................. 1.6 ............................ 1.6 ........................
          ..................... Beasley ................. 27.2 ............................ 10.6 ............................... 1.3 ............................. 1.3 ........................

          I only compare Beasley and Howard numbers because Howard is about an inch shorter (Howard standing by Ariza is only about an inch taller) than Beasley. Beasley may be an option at center during the playoffs in order to spread the floor and space things out.....depending on opponent.
          Rockets sources in China felt Beasley has turned his life around. I hope he can stay off the drugs. Numbers now may be a reflection of a healthier lifestyle. I'm sure it looks like I'm trolling Howard.....but it can't be much different from the endless bashing Harden gets here. M Jordan was a good defender....but Harden's offensive numbers compare well to Jordan's. One season Jordan took 27 FGA / game.

          Edited by Jatman20, 19 March 2016 - 06:51 PM.

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            Posted 20 March 2016 - 02:44 PM

            Sorry Jatman,

             

            Beasley can score, but law of averages will do its work, he has been great, but he won't continue to shoot 53% considering that it would be at a historical level to shoot that well from the midrange. He will still be good for us as a scoring boost off the bench but in no terms could he play C. He had trouble defending regular size 4s and look lost on D. But I agree somewhat that we are better off sitting Dwight, and play Dmo at 5 and Beasley at 4 to finish off games in certain situations.

             

            The lineup with Dmo at 5 and Beasley at 4 had so much spacing, movement and passing the last 2 games. Its a small sample size but they looked really good.


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              Posted 21 March 2016 - 06:07 AM

              Sorry Jatman,

              Beasley can score, but law of averages will do its work, he has been great, but he won't continue to shoot 53% considering that it would be at a historical level to shoot that well from the midrange. He will still be good for us as a scoring boost off the bench but in no terms could he play C. He had trouble defending regular size 4s and look lost on D. But I agree somewhat that we are better off sitting Dwight, and play Dmo at 5 and Beasley at 4 to finish off games in certain situations.

              The lineup with Dmo at 5 and Beasley at 4 had so much spacing, movement and passing the last 2 games. Its a small sample size but they looked really good.


              I too would like to see more of the DMO at the 5 and Beasley at the 4 line-up.
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              Posted 21 March 2016 - 02:47 PM

              According to Draftexpress.com (which uses actual measurements from NBA pre-draft camps), Beasley is 6' 7" and Howard is 6' 9" (no shoes).  Ariza is also 6' 7".

               

              Maybe Beasley has grown an inch or two since then, but I don't think he can play many minutes at center for us.


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                Posted 21 March 2016 - 07:43 PM

                Yea I agree Jatman.

                 

                I think thats the optimal lineup. JB is no Pop though, who sits Duncan and plays Diaw because its the best thing for the team against GS when they were missing their bigs. Unfortunately, a lot of the time the number on your paycheck gets you playing time. 


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                  Posted 23 March 2016 - 05:04 PM

                  I too would like to see more of the DMO at the 5 and Beasley at the 4 line-up.

                   

                  I think this is a worthwhile combination to explore. We need to determine if a combination of D-mo, Beasley, Capela, and Harrell at the 4 and 5 is palatable for Western Conference playoff team. If it is, then we know to resign D-mo and let Howard, Jones, and Smith go, opening up some cap space. It's a relatively small team, but recall that Motiejunas anchored the defense for half the season last year. 

                   

                  I don't know what we do in the back court. Harden, Bev are obvious. I'd like to see KJ get some more run to see if he can be the third or 4th guard. 

                   

                  I also don't know if either Ariza or Brewer will be back. Brewer will be hard to shed. Ariza will be hard to replace. 


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                    Posted 24 March 2016 - 01:59 AM

                    i can't say I know what it's like to do drugs; but I have dealt with many addicts or drug users. I don't know how often Beasley did drugs prior to having pretty much all teams giving up on him. I would like to think he is clean now and is feeling comfortable in his own skin nowadays. I couldn't stand Beasley back then; but I would like to reserve judgement on him for the time being....the Rockets are playing with house money (just over $300,000 for Beasley). Put on red and let it ride. Beasley is a wide card just like Josh Smith was last year. I would like to see D12 on the second unit. Will Dwight pull a Mad Max (Vernon Maxwell) on the Rockets. DMo is coming around slowly.

                    Today I caught some of the Dan Patrick show on the radio. They were talking about players who never pass the ball to others once they get the ball. They posed the question, "Who gives you the best chance of getting the ball back from these stars: Melo, Kobe or Harden?" They gave career numbers as their answer. Harden was at 4.8 ast per game with Kobe slightly less and Melo the worst. What they failed to tell the listeners is Harden has averaged 6.6 ast per game since joining the Rockets. He only started 7 games with the Thunder. Different team and a different role. Maybe Houston's system is tailor made for Beasley. RGV Vipers is the style the Rockets will be playing next season. Uptempo high octane-put your track shoes on...shoot a ton of 3's. Howard doesn't fit in that scheme.....saw Deandre Jordan beat Howard down the court easily by 3 yards consistently.
                    That forces Beverley to leave his man who is sitting in the corner, to try to meet Jordan under the rim. It's a pick your poison sinario....Jordan dunk or Riddick 3. Statistics show that most teams are having success in the first 6 seconds of the shot clock, as teams are setting up their defense or prior to setting up their defense. The elite teams are doing it. John Deere just made a commercial underscoring it. They pushed the slogan the entire commercial: "it's not how well you cut the grass; it's how well you cut the grass....fast!!" In the commercial they show a basketball coach telling his team that slogan. Next time you watch an NBA game....watch the defense. You will notice the defense posting a guy under the basket not really guarding anyone. Should be called for defensive 3 seconds, but they get away with it by claiming they are playing a zone. Hard to postup vs that. You have your guy body you up and forcing you one way while another high rising defender is ready to contest the shot attempt knowing the direction the player will be forced. It doesn't happen every play, but it happens enough.

                    Last year around Jan-Feb I mentioned how difficult the Warriors would be with their deep team and ability to play a small ball version. I mention the joke about the two guys who went to the safari to hunt. One guy reaches into his travel bag and starts changing from his hiking boots to his tennis shoes. The other guy sees this and starts laughing. "Do you actually think you are going to out run a lion?" The guy with the tennis shoes replies, "Oh, I don't have to out run the lion." "I just have to out run you!" Well players don't have to out run Beverley down to our defensive end. They just have to out run Howard....as we protect the rim. A 3 will be available for a Draymond Green type.

                    Edited by Jatman20, 24 March 2016 - 02:04 AM.

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                      Posted 24 March 2016 - 02:11 AM

                      I'm not saying uptempo is great. Its wonderful when your team up tempos vs a team with two big's chugging up and down the court trying to keep up; but it's tough to watch when both teams are playing that style. I saw the nationally show broadcast of the Warriors vs Clippers in LA just after the Warriors lost to Portland. Wow that was hard to watch. Sloppy game with endless 3 after endless 3. After a made basket the team would take the ball out quickly and whipped it down the court trying to catch guys still at this end of the court and get a quick shot at the other end. Oh well...That's today's basketball. If you can't beat them, then join them (by playing that way). Fighting fire with fire.

                      Edited by Jatman20, 24 March 2016 - 02:13 AM.

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