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@  JY86er : (05 April 2015 - 08:06 PM) Carlisle is confused. Who hacks with the lead and in the second quarter?
@  majik19 : (05 April 2015 - 03:47 PM) when playing dallas, can't forget the Rick Carlisle factor. Also, Rondo could morph into playoffs Rondo.
@  Mario Peña : (05 April 2015 - 02:55 AM) If Dwight is 75% for the first round and they get Dallas I think the Rockets could destroy them.
@  Mario Peña : (05 April 2015 - 02:54 AM) Yesssss!!!
@  majik19 : (05 April 2015 - 02:15 AM) Memphis loses to Washington... They're giving us a chance!
@  Losthief : (04 April 2015 - 07:51 PM) last i heard was 7-10 days from march 27th...so that be sunday...but not hearing anything new so...im guessing he's had more setbacks or something.
@  JY86er : (04 April 2015 - 06:39 AM) What's the real deal with Papanikolau? There has to be more to it than a sprained ankle now.
@  Losthief : (04 April 2015 - 03:59 AM) to be fair...strauss in the article does point out the panel was asked "who WILL win" at 80 percent curry. And then he said the question of "who SHOULD win" was asked and was much closer at 40 percent harden to 50 percent curry. And...while i hate strauss sometimes too he did on truehoop tv say he only supports curry b/c the team is historically great and that it is just unlucky harden is this good in a year with a team like GSW. I might disagree with him about what MVP means but he's better than amin who is just a jerk about houston/rockets in general.
@  Mario Peña : (03 April 2015 - 10:36 PM) Here's a list of guys in the last week or two that are putting a Harden as the MVP: Windhorst, Legler, Simmons, Thorpe, Johnson, Jackson, Smith, Patt, Sheridan and a few others I can remember right now. Forget Strauss!
@  majik19 : (03 April 2015 - 07:02 PM) I'd be okay with a repeat of 1995, where Hakeem was clearly the MVP and made sure the league knew it in the Western Conference Finals (on the way to the championship).
@  txtdo1411 : (03 April 2015 - 06:54 PM) I can't stand Strauss, but he may be correct that it has already been sealed. It's a shame that Harden won't win it in a year he has done everything he possibly could to get the award. Oh well, a Finals MVP will work just fine ;)
@  Mario Peña : (03 April 2015 - 05:42 PM) That piece is by Ethan Sherwood Strauss, the Warriors Truehoop beat writer and he has been for Curry all year. He openly admits to being a Warriors fan.
@  majik19 : (03 April 2015 - 04:58 PM) ESPN thinks the MVP race is already over (and unfortunately, they're probably right): http://espn.go.com/b...ce-already-over
@  JY86er : (03 April 2015 - 11:16 AM) Excellent 4th wuarter
@  Losthief : (03 April 2015 - 03:54 AM) nah he bumped knees looked fine in the 4th fury.
@  cointurtlemoose : (03 April 2015 - 03:15 AM) A Mavs win always feels like 2 wins at once...
@  Fury : (03 April 2015 - 02:56 AM) I can only get Gamecast... Feigen's tweeting about Dwight limping. Is he hurt?
@  YaoMan : (02 April 2015 - 10:20 PM) Oops I mean "line"!
@  YaoMan : (02 April 2015 - 10:20 PM) So much for Harden needs to get to the like 25 times to get 50. 8 for 9 from 3 fellas...How you like them apples?
@  majik19 : (02 April 2015 - 01:46 AM) can i get a MVP! MVP! Harden looks unstoppable tonight. I almost wish every shot he took was a step back 3 at this point.

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#1 Red94

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    Posted 02 April 2015 - 12:35 PM

    New post: Sacramento Kings 111, Houston Rockets 115: MVP or Bust
    By: Mitchell Felker

    Just thirteen days after setting his career high with 50 points, James Harden did himself one better and dropped in 51 in the win against the Sacramento Kings on Wednesday night.  It was the ninth 50-point game in Rockets history, as Harden added his name next to Hakeem the Dream and Moses Malone as the only Rockets' players to hit that mark twice, and the first to do it in the same season.

     

    Harden was virtually un-guardable all night, scoring at will from all over the court.  He was especially deadly from deep, hitting 8-9 from three.  But Harden wasn't just getting buckets, he also filled the stat sheet with 8 rebounds, 6 assists and 3 steals.  He scored 10 of the Rockets last 11 points to close the fourth quarter, but actually missed his last two free throws which could have pushed his big night even higher.

     

    And the Rockets needed every point Harden could muster because the Kings hung around all night, thanks in large part to DeMarcus Cousins. Cousins (24 pts, 21 rebs and 10 ast and 6 blocks) was simply too long and too strong for the Rockets hodgepodge frontcourt, on the way to his second career triple-double.

     

    Omri Casspi (18 pts, 7 rebs, 4 ast and 4 stl) did his best to make the Rockets rue the day they released him last off-season, doing as much as anyone could to slow Harden, and finished with a plus minus of +13.  The next closest Kings' player was former Rocket Carl Landry's +2.  The Kings did have six players in double figures, and they shot 50% from both the field (48-96) and from three (7-14).

     

    Sacramento feasted on the Rockets at the rim, scoring 35 of their 48 buckets from inside the paint.  The thin frontline for Houston certainly didn't help, but there were also numerous plays where the Rockets missed the offensive rebound or turned the ball over and just didn't get enough bodies back on defense.

     

    But even with the Kings battling back from every deficit and making it close at the end, you never really got the sense that the Rockets might lose.  And it wasn't just Harden's doing, either.  The Rockets shot 40 three-pointers, making 18.  Houston is 8-4 this season when shooting 40 or more threes.  Trevor Ariza continued his hot streak, making 6-14 three-pointers and was his usual irritating self on defense.  Joey Dorsey added 7 points and 11 rebounds, 7 on the offensive glass.

     

    Terrence Jones made his first appearance since an elbow to the midsection caused his lung to collapse, and absolutely stuffed the stat sheet in his 32 minutes.  Jones scored 16 points on 6-10 shooting (2-3 3pt) with 7 boards (3 offensive), 3 assists, 1 steal and a career-high 7 blocks.  Five of Jones' blocks came on two different possessions, blocking Casspi twice around the rim in the first quarter, and then rejecting three different Carl Landry layups near the end of the first half.  But it wasn't all rosy for Jones, as he looked winded in the fourth quarter and he (-15) and Corey Brewer (-8) were the only Rockets' players with a negative plus/minus.

     

    Clint Capela only played 10 minutes, but had two more big dunks and finished with a +9 overall, second-highest for Houston.  For the second consecutive game he showed how effective hovering near the rim and keeping the paint clear can really be.  Here's hoping that Dwight Howard is still paying attention and still intent on not changing the offense when he's back to full-time.

     

    But as usual, James Harden was the real story.  It seems as though everyone in the national media has reserved the MVP for Steph Curry, but if Harden can win a scoring title and/or carry this beat-up, constantly fluctuating roster to the 2-seed, I just can't fathom anyone passing him over for the award.  Curry has been great and so have the Warriors, but they've also been the healthiest team in the league this season, and his degree of difficulty hasn't been anywhere near the realm of Harden's.

     

    Now that Pat Beverley is done for the year, the Rockets got exactly two games out of their opening day starting-five.  Harden's cast of characters has continuously changed, but night-in and night-out he's been exactly what the Rockets have needed: an MVP.


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    Posted 02 April 2015 - 02:10 PM

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    That was me last night (not quite literally, but close).  It is amazing the difference T-Jones makes for this team.  Both he and the coaches deserve a ton of credit for developing him.  He is exuding confidence all over the place and I can't wait to see what he does in the post-season.

     

    (On a side note, the more time that passes the more amazing Morey's draft history becomes.  Is there any doubt that in another year or two we'll be seeing similar progress from Johnson, Capela, and Canaan?)

     

    Prigioni ran the offense more last night and while it wasn't always successful I liked it.  He knows what he is doing and clearly has been given the reins from the coaches.  With a little time that should pay off for us.  There was one play in particular that involved great ball movement which led to a gimme lay-up for Smith at the rim....and he missed it.   :(

     

    Trust the process, not the results.  If they can consistently play that way we will be in good shape.  Last night, the headbands (Prig's running mates, essentially) were a combined 5-23.  That number will usually be better.

     

    As for Harden's MVP....it's going to be tough.  After the game, I was in my truck listening to some talking head and they were talking about Harden's game.  The guy basically said, "Meh, that's a good stat line, but he had 7 turnovers.  They nearly lost the game because of those 7 turnovers.  He's no MVP."  That tells me he didn't watch the game; yet, he gets to fill national radio with his ignorance.

     

    Everyone, put your logic aside and prepare for the Steph Curry MVP announcement.  It's happening.  James Harden's narrative has improved greatly, but he is still considered a flopping, ref-baiting, volume shooter who doesn't make his team mates better.  Nobody wants to include the context of team when comparing the two players--which is their choice--but it truly is a huge factor.

     

    Take Bogut and Green, reduce their number of games played to 35 and 26, respectively, and think about how many wins they might not have and how many blowouts no longer happen.  What makes me feel better is thinking about the opposite (Howard and Jones playing together in the playoffs) and how we are going to demolish teams.

     

    Good things are coming, people.  


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      Posted 02 April 2015 - 03:47 PM

      The Kings paint scoring was just ridiculous last night. Fortunately there are no back to backs in the playoffs and D-Mo hopefully will be back soon. However, much of the paint scoring occurred in transition, which D-Mo and Howard are not going to fix. I found that to be a disheartening part of the game last night.


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        Posted 02 April 2015 - 04:10 PM

        Am I the only person that's tired of the media's love of steph curry???
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          Posted 02 April 2015 - 04:16 PM

          People who've played basketball, know that James Harden is the MVP. Anthony Davis and Mark Jackson have proven such a thing, over the last couple of days on the Dan Patrick Show. Davis said he and his teammates discuss daily how out of his mind James Harden has been playing.

          How many games would the Warriors have won if Draymond Green and Andrew Bogut would have missed 40 games a piece? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be close to getting the number 2 seed. No one has accounted for more wins this season then James Harden. Value = wins. Harden has the most win shares, therefore Harden is MVP.

          But this will be a Steve Nash/ Shaq vote.
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            Posted 02 April 2015 - 06:10 PM

            Add George Karl and DMC to the list of pro-Beardists: http://www.nba.com/2...ward/index.html


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              Posted 02 April 2015 - 06:21 PM


               

               

              New post: Sacramento Kings 111, Houston Rockets 115: MVP or Bust
              By: Mitchell Felker
               

               

               

              Clint Capela only played 10 minutes, but had two more big dunks and finished with a +9 overall, second-highest for Houston.  For the second consecutive game he showed how effective hovering near the rim and keeping the paint clear can really be.  Here's hoping that Dwight Howard is still paying attention and still intent on not changing the offense when he's back to full-time.

               

               

               

              Honest to god if dwight is going to be subject to that he should want out. I have never seen someone just disrespected like that despite what he has accomplished. Im not the biggest dwight fan but that will never happen for him to be a decoy he is freakin in his prime not no washed up 35 year old i mean tj, josh smith and capella can play those rolls but an 8x all star center that has been the focal point of an offense should not even look at the ball and be fazed out? people criticize his post ups but seriously the guy has averaged 11 shots per game throughout his career he doesn't take 20 like demarcus cousins cause he don't got to but in his near mvp season where he average 23ppg 14rpg and 3bpg he only took 15 shots per game, portland exposed this team and harden struggled to shoot effectively but you cant win a title without a post presence just ask the thunder. Anyway, back to my point i don't think dwight needs to post up that much but i also think you need balance so hopefully this team comes with that balance in time for the post season


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                Posted 02 April 2015 - 07:10 PM

                Jones was incredible. Been noticing it for a while since he's been back, but there's a noticeable difference in his engagement into the game this season. Idk, he just seems more intense more consistently, whereas before, he kind of drifted in and out sometimes. And those blocks were delicious.

                 

                And I agree Johnny, what Prigioni is doing still looks pretty good, even if his numbers don't always show it. And though it seems the 'green light' philosophy from 3 is still a little uncomfortable for him, he's a good shooter, and I gotta believe he'll get more prepared to drain 3s when defenders go under the pick (like happened on his first or second 3 I believe).

                 

                Transition D was awful, though that's mostly a discipline thing, so I'm not too discouraged about it, as long as it doesn't persist.

                 

                The only thing I'm mad about is Harden being on my opponent's team in fantasy bball playoffs this week........


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                  Posted 02 April 2015 - 09:33 PM


                  As for Harden's MVP....it's going to be tough.  After the game, I was in my truck listening to some talking head and they were talking about Harden's game.  The guy basically said, "Meh, that's a good stat line, but he had 7 turnovers.  They nearly lost the game because of those 7 turnovers.  He's no MVP."  That tells me he didn't watch the game; yet, he gets to fill national radio with his ignorance.

                   

                  Everyone, put your logic aside and prepare for the Steph Curry MVP announcement.  It's happening.  James Harden's narrative has improved greatly, but he is still considered a flopping, ref-baiting, volume shooter who doesn't make his team mates better.  Nobody wants to include the context of team when comparing the two players--which is their choice--but it truly is a huge factor.

                   

                  Agreed and very true JG, but there are a couple of things that I have seen changing.  That was a caller who has no vote in MVP. While the general public is in love with Steph Curry and while I actually have no problems with him winning MVP this year, NBA.com, USAToday (weekly poll), Marc Stein and many others all have Harden as the the MVP at this point. Even Chris Broussard who has been in love with Curry all season long, just told Hannah Storm (or possibly another female ESPN anchor) that Harden is his MVP now.  Those are the guys who will be voting for the MVP not the ignorant guy on the radio. 

                  And also don't get me wrong, a championship is much more important and the true goal, although making it to the WCF will be a gigantic challenge just to get to.  But recognition for Harden carrying the team for a tie for the 2nd seed while missing a combined 158 games due to injuries with an MVP would be nice! ;)


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                  Posted 02 April 2015 - 09:49 PM

                  Agreed and very true JG, but there are a couple of things that I have seen changing.  That was a caller who has no vote in MVP. While the general public is in love with Steph Curry and while I actually have no problems with him winning MVP this year, NBA.com, USAToday (weekly poll), Marc Stein and many others all have Harden as the the MVP at this point. Even Chris Broussard who has been in love with Curry all season long, just told Hannah Storm (or possibly another female ESPN anchor) that Harden is his MVP now.  Those are the guys who will be voting for the MVP not the ignorant guy on the radio. 

                  And also don't get me wrong, a championship is much more important and the true goal, although making it to the WCF will be a gigantic challenge just to get to.  But recognition for Harden carrying the team for a tie for the 2nd seed while missing a combined 158 games due to injuries with an MVP would be nice! ;)

                   

                  That's good to hear.  The guy I was referring to was not a caller--it was his show--didn't catch his name, but he very well could have a vote.  There are lots of "small time" voters and while I appreciate that some of the bigger ones are touting Harden there are 125 votes to be cast.  This is what last year's ballot looked like: LINK


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                    Posted 02 April 2015 - 10:00 PM

                    That's good to hear.  The guy I was referring to was not a caller--it was his show--didn't catch his name, but he very well could have a vote.  There are lots of "small time" voters and while I appreciate that some of the bigger ones are touting Harden there are 125 votes to be cast.  This is what last year's ballot looked like: LINK

                    Oh sorry I misunderstood that the guy on the radio was some caller who had his voice heard on a national radio broadcast or something.  It's good to know that some big names are now favoring Harden.  Is it enough? Not sure. As you said, I am prepared to hear the name Curry for MVP but it would be a nice surprise if Harden gets it instead!


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                    Posted 03 April 2015 - 12:48 AM

                    i'll take curry getting his mvp in round two and then losing to harden and the rockets in the wcf! That said, be cool if harden wins mvp.

                     

                    It seems pretty obvious now what the candidates are and I think this will be the best barometer for what 'MVP' means in the nba:

                     

                    Best player on the best team: Curry

                    Most Important/Impactful player to a successful team (the take him off how far do they fall valuable definition): Harden

                    Best player/talent on the planet: Lebron (maybe Davis...but still Lebron in my book)

                    Biggest Highlight Player (most wow moments): Westbrook

                     

                    Also as an personal opinion aside...westbrook reminds me of shawn kemp, your not winning the nba title with shawn kemp as your best player. You'll win the highlight/youtube/wow favorite team factor. But....yeah....thats why it still needs to be durant's team imho. Westbrook makes the best play for westbrooks image (ex. slamming it as hard as he can with a hurt hand) w/o thinking of the risks/negative impact he can have on his team. Also shooting that much will cause resentment long term....ask kobe. I'm not saying westbrook isn't awesome, he is, I just think he rather win his way then win at any costs. He still thinks he can win, and maybe he can, but I've played sports with people like that my whole life and while they are incredible in team sports you can't do it alone. P.S. role definition/value fulfillment is one of the most important factors in team cohesion behind coaching (leadership) strategies/behaviors, team travel accommodations, and player-coach rapport. And social and task cohesion has a huge positive correlation with team success. Also, the rapport thing being such a important factor (im doing a research paper on coaching and cohesion) has help me appreciate some of McHale's strengths as a coach more this season.

                     

                    Be interesting to see what happens and I think it will tell alot about how people vote for MVP which is hard to figure out in other years when there are the same candidate(s) filling the spots. From a psychology point of view it's fascinating, from a rockets fan's point of view it's nerve wrecking. 


                    Edited by Losthief, 03 April 2015 - 12:57 AM.

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