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@  08huangj : (01 May 2014 - 05:53 AM) In China, we watch the NBA games in the morning, when we work. Happens that every year on May 1 to May 3 there's a 3 day vacation.
@  08huangj : (01 May 2014 - 05:52 AM) I'm superstitious. Every time I watch the Rockets games, they always win. But when I'm busy with my job and check it with my computer, they always lose...
@  RocketMansin... : (01 May 2014 - 04:51 AM) Also got to give credit too Bev playing with a 101 fever is insane.. 2 degrees higher and he is in the hospital
@  thenit : (01 May 2014 - 04:36 AM) Good bounce back game
@  RocketMansin... : (01 May 2014 - 04:28 AM) Proud 2 get 2 watch the Rockets for atleast 1 game... They can do this!
@  RocketMansin... : (01 May 2014 - 04:27 AM) I gotta give credit when credit is due... I know I was dawg'in J.Lin the other day but he really came out and played his butt off!
@  miketheodio : (01 May 2014 - 04:26 AM) lin, asik, howard, bev, parsons at least for trying to get the ball moving
@  RudyT1995 : (01 May 2014 - 04:24 AM) Good night all!
@  RudyT1995 : (01 May 2014 - 04:23 AM) Game 6 is gonna be a dog fight. If we can bring it back, Game 7 will be a blow out.
@  RudyT1995 : (01 May 2014 - 04:22 AM) Asik deserves a lot of credit too. 15 boards, some killer screens to free up Lin. LMA goes 3-12.
@  thenit : (01 May 2014 - 04:21 AM) Phew ok just need to bring it back for game 7
@  miketheodio : (01 May 2014 - 04:20 AM) and an isolation to an airball. whatever. dwight saved our butts. i luvs u d12.
@  RudyT1995 : (01 May 2014 - 04:20 AM) One and One. We Can Do It!
@  miketheodio : (01 May 2014 - 04:16 AM) still not sure about that. did isolations with harden before dwight. would call off screens from asik.
@  RudyT1995 : (01 May 2014 - 04:15 AM) Harden plays DDD!
@  RudyT1995 : (01 May 2014 - 04:14 AM) He's an amazing defender though.
@  RudyT1995 : (01 May 2014 - 04:12 AM) DH is too stubborn. He wants to post-up, not PNR.
@  miketheodio : (01 May 2014 - 04:10 AM) plz run PnR. plz for the love of zeus.
@  RudyT1995 : (01 May 2014 - 04:10 AM) TJJJJJJJJJJJJJ
@  Cooper : (01 May 2014 - 04:09 AM) parsons form is so bad. why is he fading away on wide open shots?

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The price of failure


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#1 Red94

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    Posted 28 April 2014 - 05:00 PM

    New post: The price of failure
    By: Forrest Walker

    The Rockets are on the verge of elimination in a series they absolutely cannot afford to lose. If they let one more game slip away, let one more lead crumble, let one more critical possession fall apart, there won’t be a second round to watch. If Houston loses in this, the first round of the playoffs, there will only be recrimination, regret and wringing of hands. How the Rockets might avoid that fate is a different matter entirely. For now, the question is what happens if they fall to the Portland Trail Blazers.

    There’s always a price for failure, but it varies depending on the situation. Twenty-nine out of thirty NBA teams fail every year, and they pay a variety of prices for it. The Phoenix Suns this year are paying a toll of disappointment at missing the playoffs, the same toll the Rockets paid for four years. The San Antonio Spurs lost in brutal fashion during last year’s Finals, coming within a hair’s breadth of winning a thumb ring for Tim Duncan. The price of losing that five point lead over 28 seconds has been high, a year’s worth of pangs and frustration to go with a lifetime of replaying a handful of moments in one’s head. What bill, then, would the Rockets pay?

    The Houston Rockets organization made first round home court advantage their absolute goal, and they achieved it. The regular season was more or less a success in that sense, with the Rockets winning 54 games for the 4th seed in the west. The problem arose when the Portland Trail Blazers started winning games. The expectation was for Houston to sail into the second round over a struggling Blazers team, but a 1-3 series deficit is torpedoing that notion. A first round loss is exactly the reason what the Rockets wanted to avoid by securing a top four seeding in the playoffs. If they lose one more game, this season was a failure.

    Houston has been under the microscope all season long, a status which can only be expected. The national view of Dwight Howard is overwhelmingly negative, and his decision to leave the Lakers, one of the most storied and popular franchises in all of sports, was a choice that enraged legions of fans and more than a few members of the commentariat. James Harden, on a national stage, has had a chance to show what he truly is. He’s an offense-first player who creates bad situations for opposing teams and draws slews of fouls. Houston has become used to watching players live on the free throw line, and the Rockets themselves are happy to seek out hyper efficient points from the charity stripe. The rest of the world is less excited to watch a brand of play that is more metagame than gamesmanship, a player who looks like he’s exploiting a loophole.

    Add onto that the often unwatchable style of play, the jacking up of random threes, the endless isolation play, the needless and only moderately successful post ups from Dwight and the regular lack of effort or execution on either end of the floor, and this team is full of traits that people hate paired with players that people hate. Last year, the Rockets were a fast-paced scrappy underdog. This year, they’re an indifferent favorite and it’s only natural that a huge amount of people would like nothing more than to watch them fail.

    The price for failure in Houston’s case is a year of prevailing narrative in which the Rockets, Daryl Morey, Dwight Howard, all of them were wrong to do whatever they did. The endless berating of the Thunder for trading Harden will not only look tame in comparison, it’ll even be partially lessened by this new narrative. Harden will have been a cancer the whole time and only a few die hards will continue to excoriate Sam Presti for trading James. The Rockets will be singled out, again, and will be given endless lectures on how they could have avoided failing. Some may be insightful. Most will not.

    Perhaps the most horrifying part of this situation for the Rockets and their fans is that every higher seed in the Western Conference might lose in the first round. Each of those four teams would have to pay a price for that loss, but none so high as Houston.

    The Spurs have lost before and will lose again. Time seems to have little hold on them, and their organization is too staid to be much injured by another summer of doubters.

    The Oklahoma City Thunder have weathered this storm before and can easily do it again. Their core still has another decade of championship window left, and may be a player or a coaching change away from a ring in any case.

    The Clippers have high expectations internally, but are less policed by the greater community. Their brand of basketball is fast and fun, their team is well-run and well-liked and they have few pieces aging out any time soon. The biggest threat to their long-term livelihood, the controversy swirling around their reprehensible owner, would ironically obscure any first-round failure and effectively give the team a bye on whatever happens this postseason.

    In the regular season, the Golden State Warriors were expected to duke it out for home court and be one of the toughest outs in the regular season. The Warriors fell well short of the goal, something that Houston may have expected to distract from whatever bad patches the Rockets were catching flak for. In practice, it didn’t work that way. Just because another team disappoints more does not mean that disappointment will be deflected that way. Every higher seed could lose, every series could be an upset, the Dallas Mavericks could (yes, they really could) make the Finals this year, and the Rockets losing in the first round would very likely be considered the biggest failure of the season. Context is critically important in games, but matters little in the court of public opinion.

    The spotlight is on the Rockets now, as it has been all year, and the audience is getting restless. Houston’s heel turn this year, at least in the eyes of the world, has increased the pressure and more importantly increased the penalty for losing. If the Rockets fall to the Blazers, it’ll take a strong resolve from owner Les Alexander and general manager Daryl Morey to not respond to the endless cries of “I told you so” from detractors. This may be one of the toughest summers ever for the Rockets, but that’s just the price you pay for failure.


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    #2 Cooper

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      Posted 28 April 2014 - 05:18 PM

      The spurs thunder and clips losing would take a lot of national scrutiny off the rockets but then again some of that scrutiny is warranted and could induce improvements/change. 


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      Posted 28 April 2014 - 05:57 PM

      All in all, a good article.

       

      I have one point of contention.

       

      "A first round loss is exactly the reason what the Rockets wanted to avoid by securing a top four seeding in the playoffs. If they lose one more game, this season was a failure."

       

      I find this sentiment--a fairly common one--to be very strange.

       

      Imagine going to a nice restaurant, eating a delicious meal--appetizer, salad, and entree with perfect wines to match.  It's amazing....dessert arrives and it's just not very good (for whatever reason).....well, screw it!  That entire meal sucked!  Fire the chef!  Lock the doors!  Burn it down!

       

      I know you're not taking it that far (many are which is why I went ahead with the arson), but you get my point.  Calling the entire season a failure because of a poor playoff showing misses the mark for me.


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      #4 timetodienow1234567

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      Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:06 PM

      We're not the bucks/bobcats where just making the playoffs is a win.
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      Why so Serious? :D


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      Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:15 PM

      We're not the bucks/bobcats where just making the playoffs is a win.

       

      It's not about that....dismissing the fun and the experience of the entire season is different than meeting expectations.  I recognize that for some anything short of a championship is failure....I am not one of those people.

       

      Also, until we accomplish anything...yeah, we kind of are like the Bucks and Bobcats.  You have to earn your respect.....not demand it.  Let's save that sort of arrogance for Laker Fans.


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        Posted 28 April 2014 - 07:52 PM

        Even though the regular season is very fun to watch, it's irrelevant besides seeding as no one remembers the regular season.
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          Posted 28 April 2014 - 07:55 PM

          All in all, a good article.

           

          I have one point of contention.

           

          "A first round loss is exactly the reason what the Rockets wanted to avoid by securing a top four seeding in the playoffs. If they lose one more game, this season was a failure."

           

          I find this sentiment--a fairly common one--to be very strange.

           

          Imagine going to a nice restaurant, eating a delicious meal--appetizer, salad, and entree with perfect wines to match.  It's amazing....dessert arrives and it's just not very good (for whatever reason).....well, screw it!  That entire meal sucked!  Fire the chef!  Lock the doors!  Burn it down!

           

          I know you're not taking it that far (many are which is why I went ahead with the arson), but you get my point.  Calling the entire season a failure because of a poor playoff showing misses the mark for me.

          Good point JG... I just don't know what to say. After all the negativity coming from all sides, including our beloved founder, I don't know how long I can stand visiting this site for much longer, at least until the dust settles... Seeing as how nobody EVER expected us to get past round 2, the success pole has been set at getting past the first round... all else is a complete fail. No matter that the first round we are experiencing has been one of the most exciting matchups in playoff history. No matter that after 3 losses the COMBINED margin is 7 points. No matter that 3/4 games so far went into overtime. No matter that no other team with home court in the west is coasting right through round 1, and all stand a very good chance of losing their series. No matter how tough the west is from top to bottom, no matter... No second round? FAIL! Fire McHale! Lynch Lin! Harden is overrated! Howard's getting old!... But, making it to round two, no matter the result... GLEAMING SUCCESS!... ALL IS GOOD!

           

          We knew all season long that this team is still in beta. We knew there were areas of weakness and areas that needed improvement. We knew that inserting Howard into our lineup there would be a tremendous learning curve in getting him and Harden to play well together, especially when defenses and officiating changes in the playoffs. We knew that with the addition of Howard we had two players combining to make $16million that would be coming off the bench and would have a hard time making them as valuable to our team as their paycheck indicates. We knew that even if we make it to the 2nd round, there would be some changes this summer. We ALL knew. Why is this series so surprising? Why so depressing to so many? I don't get it. We never were contenders, really. Not Yet anyway.

           

          I've watched 4 of the most exciting games of basketball in my life this season, each one getting my adrenaline pumping and getting me to yell at my TV. I think some are letting these (albeit heartbreaking) losses make them forget why they love the game anyway. Don't let your anger towards the team cloud your ability to enjoy what may possibly be the last 48(+) minutes of Rockets basketball this season on Wednesday. The last until OCTOBER! Enjoy it and worry bout the other stuff (which you have no power to change, anyway,) this summer, there's plenty of time.


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          #8 RocketMansinceStevieFrance

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          Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:07 PM

          Good point JG... I just don't know what to say. After all the negativity coming from all sides, including our beloved founder, I don't know how long I can stand visiting this site for much longer, at least until the dust settles... Seeing as how nobody EVER expected us to get past round 2, the success pole has been set at getting past the first round... all else is a complete fail. No matter that the first round we are experiencing has been one of the most exciting matchups in playoff history. No matter that after 3 losses the COMBINED margin is 7 points. No matter that 3/4 games so far went into overtime. No matter that no other team with home court in the west is coasting right through round 1, and all stand a very good chance of losing their series. No matter how tough the west is from top to bottom, no matter... No second round? FAIL! Fire McHale! Lynch Lin! Harden is overrated! Howard's getting old!... But, making it to round two, no matter the result... GLEAMING SUCCESS!... ALL IS GOOD!

           

          We knew all season long that this team is still in beta. We knew there were areas of weakness and areas that needed improvement. We knew that inserting Howard into our lineup there would be a tremendous learning curve in getting him and Harden to play well together, especially when defenses and officiating changes in the playoffs. We knew that with the addition of Howard we had two players combining to make $16million that would be coming off the bench and would have a hard time making them as valuable to our team as their paycheck indicates. We knew that even if we make it to the 2nd round, there would be some changes this summer. We ALL knew. Why is this series so surprising? Why so depressing to so many? I don't get it. We never were contenders, really. Not Yet anyway.

           

          I've watched 4 of the most exciting games of basketball in my life this season, each one getting my adrenaline pumping and getting me to yell at my TV. I think some are letting these (albeit heartbreaking) losses make them forget why they love the game anyway. Don't let your anger towards the team cloud your ability to enjoy what may possibly be the last 48(+) minutes of Rockets basketball this season on Wednesday. The last until OCTOBER! Enjoy it and worry bout the other stuff (which you have no power to change, anyway,) this summer, there's plenty of time.

          Very good post Alituro, you hit the spot about enjoying possibly the last 48+ minutes of the season.. I really hope it does not end too soon but even if I get angry I will enjoy every minute of the game. 

           

          Even though I feel that the Rockets can actually be contenders, they have obviously not put together the right formula yet to rise to this status as contenders. They have played very close games this series but come on lets be serious this is not nearly the best basketball we have seen from them. Not even remotely close in my mind.. 


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            Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:11 PM



            a couple of things:

            1) Asik, in my opinion, has been worth the price we are paying for him. He has played some great D on Aldridge and if we had traded up for less defensive players then we would have been swept. True, LMA has gone off anyway, but it would have been triple bad otherwise.
            2) outside of Howard, Harden, and Asik, ...and Bev and Parsons (mainly because of their cheap cost) the team as constructed doesn't do what it needs to do...
            3) Lin has moments where is makes good plays but I find myself cringing when he has the ball awaiting for him to drive and not know what to do with himself


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              Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:23 PM



              As an outside observer, I'm still thinking the Rockets could win this series in 7. With their backs to the wall at home, they have a good chance of winning. They've already shown they can win in Portland. Then in a game 7 at home, anything can happen.

              The Rockets haven't played their best ball, while the Blazers are playing at their highest level possible right now...they do not resemble the early season Blazers that were crushing the league, they look like the late season Blazers that make a lot of mistakes (untimely turnovers, missed free throws, leaky defense) and do just enough to squeak by. The Rockets should be attacking the basket on every possession - the Blazers can't stop them and don't have good depth when in foul trouble.

              And I don't think the Rockets should blow things up, they only need 1 or 2 pieces to really go far. This team is scary with Carmello and an upgrade at the point. I can only imagine how good they'd be with Dragic still around...


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                Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:52 PM

                It's not about that....dismissing the fun and the experience of the entire season is different than meeting expectations.  I recognize that for some anything short of a championship is failure....I am not one of those people.

                 

                Also, until we accomplish anything...yeah, we kind of are like the Bucks and Bobcats.  You have to earn your respect.....not demand it.  Let's save that sort of arrogance for Laker Fans.

                JG - I agree. I think it also depends what your expectations were. My expectations were a #5 seed and 7 game 1st round series with a win. The season will be a minor disappoint without a 1st round win. I think people have to remember that this is only year 1 of Harden and Howard. With the right offseason moves, specifically an upgrade at PG and a possible 3rd star, the rockets should be contenders next year. The 07-08 made massive upgrades to their roster and won the championship, but they are the only team I can remember that did this.


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                Posted 28 April 2014 - 09:46 PM

                I totally echo Alituro's sentiment expressed above.  We have been treated to one of the best playoff series ever, yet all we seem able to express is anger at certain players, or the coach.  I'm not immune to the temptation to place blame for individual losses, but stop to realize that this year was not predicted for a championship team.  Winning it all is a process, and we still have some flaws, and next year is where I expect we might find gold.

                 

                For those of so little faith, and unable to be grateful for what we have, may I remind you of our other major franchise, the Houston Astros?  After a lifetime of enjoying baseball, the ownership of the Astros killed my interest in the game.  Having passion for your team is part of being a fan, and Rocket's fans are blessed with a team with great talent and a good potential to become a champion one day. The fans of other teams would love to be in our position, and perhaps be more deserving.

                 

                One thing that I know is that I will enjoy every minute remaining of this season for the Rockets.  The guys have come a long ways since the first of the season. Even with our warts, we have a team that most fans would die to have.  Whatever changes await us for next season, this one has been a hint of what's to come next year.  Let's enjoy whatever is left, and leave the bellyaching for offseason..... 


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                  Posted 28 April 2014 - 10:05 PM

                  No one remembers what teams advanced to the second round and what teams didn't a year later. The only thing people really remember is who won the finals and over whom. If the Rockets lose in 5 or if they lose in the second round or if they lose in game 7 of the Western Conference Finals really doesn't matter in the long run. Rocket fans want championships. It might give Rocket fans more hope that they're close to a championship if they lose in the second round or conference finals then in round 1 but to think that the Rockets were legit contenders this years would be foolish. The regulars season proved that the Rockets were a good team that could blow out bad teams and hang with the good teams. But as games against the western conference elite (OKC, LAC) proved the Rockets were not ready or capable with their current roster of being serious contenders. You don't hang up banners for winning playoff series. Dwight Howard didn't come to Houston to make it to round 2. 

                   

                  If round 1 had gone differently this  year and the Rockets had advanced and lost in the western conference finals to OKC or LAC what would the team have looked like next year? I think if the Rockets didnt get Melo they would look very similar. Morey would have just kept the same team hoping that the additional year of experience for both the players and McHale would be enough to get them over the top. But they would have ignored the fact that this team has holes and chemistry issues which is being identified and exploited in round 1 against Portland.

                   

                  When McHale was brought on a few years ago he wasn't expected to coach championship contending teams, rather he was brought in to develop a young team. The rebuilding efforts sped up significantly with the addition of Harden last year and again this year with the addition of D12. Just imagine what this team would've looked like had the Harden trade not happened. It would be Lin, Kevin Martin, Parsons, Jones, Asik, Jeremy Lamb as your regulars. They probably would've  had to sign Josh Smith last year since their is no way Howard would've joined this team without Harden being here. 

                   

                  What this series has shown is that the Rockets are in dire need of different players. The  Howard and Harden pairing looks closer to becoming the Shaq/Kobe pairing (the duo that didnt win) than to the Shaq/Kobe pairing (that did win championships). That the 5 best players (from a talent perspective) cant all be on the floor together (Harden, Lin, Asik, Parsons, and Howard) because they overlap in skill sets means that this roster is imperfect. And their is no way that Harden after 2 years of being option 1 and 1 A will relinquish his ball dominance in favor of an offense that starts in the post with Howard. When the Rockets go early to Howard you can see it in Harden's body language that he's annoyed and he tries to force shots in order to make his mark on the game. And if Harden isn't getting the ball on offense you can only imagine his defensive effort on the other end. 

                   

                  I think the ideal "fix" for this team is an all-star point guard to run the offense in a manner that gets both Harden and Howard involved in a way that isn't your turn my turn. However that player isn't available and the only players available next year are probably not the type of player that can play with Harden and Howard. 

                   

                  If the Rockets cant pull off a miracle, lets hope Morey uses this  series to identify areas of improvement for this team. If a bad defensive team like the Blazers can bottle up Harden in the playoffs imagine what a good defensive team (Memphis, OKC) could do. 


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                  Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:12 PM

                  Even though the regular season is very fun to watch, it's irrelevant besides seeding as no one remembers the regular season.

                   

                  First, lots of good posts--especially you, Alituro! :) It's nice to have a little morale boost around here.

                   

                   

                  As for the above post....I still disagree.  This is obviously a subjective thing.  I DO remember the regular season.  I DO remember the teams who fall short in the playoffs, uojoe82.  I genuinely enjoy watching basketball--even teams that are not our beloved Rockets.  It can be such an amazing game and, in my opinion, has the best athletes in the world once you factor in skill, speed, strength, and coordination (I get a lot of Soccer arguments on this one....It's close, but for me Soccer is second.)

                   

                  It's no big deal.  I was just saying I don't consider an entire season a failure just because it might have a disappointing ending ;)

                   

                  Now, back to another point in uojoe82's post.  Am I the only one who remembers Portland's torrid start to the season?  There were entire articles about their defense...You know, the defense built to shut down the 3 point line....which is not a good match-up for a team that lives there.  That article was hilariously followed by this one (from the same site) saying Portland was going to bomb in the playoffs because of their defense--especially against the likes of a James Harden......are they just making stuff up as they go along? :lol:

                   

                  I'll spare you the reading.  It is the big question I always have had about our team--a team built around analytics.  Why be so generous with the three point shot when you know it is lethal?  Portland shuts down the paint with size and the perimeter with guys like Matthews, Batum, and Williams.  They concede the mid-range--the one place we have little experience shooting from and so it has been tough for us to exploit them there (Harden has been lethal from mid-range this series...actually, most of the team has done pretty well from mid-range.

                   

                  Check out this link to bball-reference.  That chart shows our shooting in the playoffs from 16ft. out to the 3 pt. line.  Pretty good stuff.  The problem is only Harden is shooting more than 5-6% of his shots from there.  Harden is taking about 1/3 of his shots from mid-range this series.

                   

                  Getting back to the point, Portland is uniquely equipped to give us trouble on both ends of the court through personnel and philosophy.  There are some other fun stats that shed light on why things are going off-script for us in this series HERE.  The top two charts have lots of team stats--check out 3 pointers allowed, 3 pt. fg% allowed, their own tov% (3rd in the league--which sucks for teams that thrive off of fast breaks), they are 3rd in Off. Rebounding, and are used to winning without forcing turnovers on their own (they rank 30th in this category) so Houston's generosity in this area is just a bonus for them.

                   

                  The idea that just because we have Harden/Howard we should be winning this series is way too simplistic and dismisses so many other factors.

                   

                  I think it is hilarious that people are trying to read Harden's body language and are interpreting it in such a petty way.  Harden has 1 "body language": "is it nap time yet?".  That guy always looks like he is ready to drift off to sleep whether it's in a tv commercial or 1 minute left in a tight playoff game.  I'm sorry, but I just can't take that sort of stuff seriously.  Harden is not a selfish, number-whoring player.  I am amazed by those who see him as such.  He's being asked to perform in a role he is not 100% comfortable with and is trying to figure out.

                   

                  Let's be realistic here.  Harden has got to love Howard Post-ups.  They allow him to rest (and you guys know how much he likes his rest!).  They rack up fouls on opposing bigs (which clears the lane for him to drive).  It is the ONLY other independent and reliable scoring option on the team--everyone else needs Harden to set them up or a pick n roll play.  (Using more pick n roll is something we all agree with and are confounded by...alas...)  I just don't think Harden is envious of Dwight getting touches in the post.  :unsure:


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                  Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:03 AM

                  @JG

                  I hate to be the one to rain on this pity party :lol: however in my mind this season is a failure without advancing to at least the second round. the ultimate goal is to win the championship.......even though that wasn't the end all be all goal this year, to see a little progress beyond last years finish was expected. if you're only looking to make the playoffs and get sent home again, then your alright with this situation. that's not what I was looking for. watching the team take a step backward when I was expecting a step forward can not be viewed in any other light except failure. we have more talent, star players, good supporting cast yet the same result. Yes we had a good regular season, but without a good playoff run it's hollow. from watching this team during the season I knew we had holes to fill, but watching us in the playoffs it seems we have forgotten how to play the game. some of the errors would be comical if it wasn't so pathetic. this is where I usually start roasting the coach, however I'll spare you the gory details


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                  you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)


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                    Posted 29 April 2014 - 01:09 AM

                    The Houston offense is more OKC than San Antonio.  Lots of ISO vs lots of movement/screens to get an open look.  Brooks gets heat for this with OKC - though it works better when you have Durant/Westbrook as opposed to just Harden.

                     

                    Harden shoulders so much of the offensive load for this team, that I think it's unfair to criticize him for being selfish, ballhog, whatever.  Game 2 in OT he was giving Lin the go-ahead to run the offense, and clearly Dwight's post-ups in game 4 helped give him a breather as well.  The problem, in my opinion is that it's still ISO whether it's Dwight post-ups or Lin trying to get to the basket.  It's still 1 player with the ball with the rest of the team flat-footed around the 3 point line.  When the ball and players aren't moving, it's much easier to play defense.

                     

                    It IS fair to criticize Harden for his defense.  If a team's offensive gameplan is to ISO you on every play, wouldn't you want to pull up your big boy pants and play some D?  Have some pride, man.

                     

                    But in regards to what Alituro said, if you watched every game this season - none of it should really surprise you.  The Rockets struggle in crunch time because of poor execution.  The Rockets give up leads.  They give up offensive rebounds and they turn the ball over a lot.  Sometimes they'll get lucky and/or James will come up with a huge bucket to win the game.  Sometimes they don't.  When it's that close, it's usually a coin flip anyways.  The Rockets have played poorly, the Blazers have played great - it's just a testament to the individual talent on this team that the games have all been so close.

                     

                    Remember those Rockets that pushed the Lakers to 7 games?  The Rockets team that was in that 22 game winning streak?  Those were teams that played better than the sum of their parts.  This team?  Not so much.

                     

                    It's not that relevant whether Lin, Asik, Beverley, Jones remain on this team for next season.  The big question is Chandler Parsons - re-sign him now or let him become unrestricted?  And whether or not Harden is the piece they really want to build around - I think the question needs to be asked.


                    Edited by Johnny33, 29 April 2014 - 01:11 AM.

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                    #17 thejohnnygold

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                    Posted 29 April 2014 - 03:42 PM

                    RBF, I appreciate your sentiment and respect your point of view.  For me, the delineation arises because the Rockets aren't me.  It's not excellence I'm demanding of myself--that is a different story.

                     

                    It's funny, these conversations have popped up before and usually lead to someone getting insulted/being insulting (not saying you, or anyone in particular...I just remember it has happened).  People start inferring about the character of others and it goes downhill fast.  :lol:

                     

                    I have no influence on the team nor any ability to affect what they do.  Demanding excellence from the Rockets is like trying to get a cat to come when it's called--eventually you realize it's not up to you....it'll happen when it happens.

                     

                    Absolutely, I am disappointed in our performance.  I support the changes that may come.  I recognize that we are failing at certain aspects of NBA competition that are crucial to achieving that ultimate success.  That's not what I'm talking about....

                     

                    Really, it's semantics--a phrase that I took umbrage with.  "...the season is a failure..."  I just don't believe it.

                     

                    More and more, I have seen fans move towards the all-or-nothing attitude.  People declare the regular season pointless.  They aren't wrong--it's just perspective.  For me, watching a basketball team that I care about with players I like rooting for is the enjoyment.  The championships are great, but would anyone stop being a fan of the Rockets if they never won another championship the rest of their lives?  If so, then it's not a team you are rooting for....it's a status.  It's all a matter of what kind of surrogate experience you're looking for.

                     

                    Win or lose, thick and thin, good and bad...I will be watching and enjoying it.  For 6 months of every year the Rockets play basketball and I get to go along for the ride.  SUCCESS!!!!! :)


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                    #18 RocketMansinceStevieFrance

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                    Posted 29 April 2014 - 03:56 PM

                    The rockets were down last year 3-0 against the Thunder and battled back... Don't see why they can't do it again!

                    Go rockets
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                    #19 Steven

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                      Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:28 PM

                      The rockets were down last year 3-0 against the Thunder and battled back... Don't see why they can't do it again!

                      Go rockets

                      Weren't they eliminated in game 6? I think that will probably be the elimination game for the Rockets this year as well.
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                      #20 rockets best fan

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                      Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:30 PM

                      @JG

                      I agree the journey is as much fun as the destination. the Rockets will be my team even if they never win another championship, however I still want them to win at least one more in my lifetime. the fact I think the season would be a failure without surpassing last years result is because each year I want to see progress from my team. I'm entertained by the ride, but make no mistake I want it to conclude in a championship. watching the team take a step back is counterproductive to the grand prize. that's failure in my book. I enjoyed watching this season, however if we lose this year it will be over far sooner than I imagined. based on what I think we should have been able to achieve as a team with this much talent.....I just can't view it any other way. I love the Rockets, but I call it the way I see it. only when the idea of failure has been accepted, examined and learned from are we ready to make the necessary improvements to have a better year next year


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                      you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own B)





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