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[HazeWinkle]

i was watching a free stream it only had the bkln announcers and they were talking about Is chandler a max guy if not what is he worth because they think he is gonna get paid alot of money can the rockets actually keep this guy around and i know we have his bird rights

Edited by HazeWinkle, 30 November 2013 - 05:22 AM.

[Buckko]

7-10 million, he likes it here, great chemistry, great team, has an attachment to Mchale and the organization and he knows any team that would overpaid for him like that would not be a good team to join. Money is important but its all about bling. 

[PKM]

7-10 million, he likes it here, great chemistry, great team, has an attachment to Mchale and the organization and he knows any team that would overpaid for him like that would not be a good team to join. Money is important but its all about bling. 

Given that we got our superstars BECAUSE one valued money over bling....

 

10 million at least.  Wouldn't be surprised to see 12. 

[thejohnnygold]

While I agree that Parsons will get a nice contract he isn't completely in the driver's seat.  He plays at a position that is not lacking in available talent.  He also understands that signing a new contract a year earlier maximizes his long-term earning potential and should be willing to take a slight discount in order to secure the future gains.  I think Morey will ink him to as cap-friendly a deal as he can with the shrewd threat of sign it or play for the Kings.  Nah, just kidding about that last part.

 

I am hoping it stays under $10M.  If Chandler decides he needs ALL the money there are good players that can be had to replace him plus he will get traded and we will score big on that deal.

 

The number of times Parsons has referred to his "brand" (am I the only one that finds it off-putting when athletes talk like that?) lets me know that being in a big market matters to him.  Further, being able to ride the coat tails of guys like Howard, Harden, and Lin has dollar signs dancing in front of his eyes.

 

I think he knows he isn't a max guy (or even a Robin to someone else's Batman) and if he went to a team on a high dollar deal he would struggle to meet those expectations which would put a negative spin on his public perception which has a negative effect on those dancing dollar signs.

 

Yup, I've talked myself into it.  Parsons stays in Houston and is savvy enough to take a salary that is mutually beneficial maintaining his media darling status and making up the difference there.  I love win-win situations

[2016Champions]

I would offer him a front loaded contract so it's smaller in the future years when we we're in the luxury tax.

[timetodienow1234567]

I would offer him a front loaded contract so it's smaller in the future years when we we're in the luxury tax.

 

You don't see too many of those in the NBA compared with Hockey and Football.

Edited by timetodienow1234567, 30 November 2013 - 08:25 PM.

[rocketrick]

While I agree that Parsons will get a nice contract he isn't completely in the driver's seat.  He plays at a position that is not lacking in available talent.  He also understands that signing a new contract a year earlier maximizes his long-term earning potential and should be willing to take a slight discount in order to secure the future gains.  I think Morey will ink him to as cap-friendly a deal as he can with the shrewd threat of sign it or play for the Kings.  Nah, just kidding about that last part.

 

I am hoping it stays under $10M.  If Chandler decides he needs ALL the money there are good players that can be had to replace him plus he will get traded and we will score big on that deal.

 

The number of times Parsons has referred to his "brand" (am I the only one that finds it off-putting when athletes talk like that?) lets me know that being in a big market matters to him.  Further, being able to ride the coat tails of guys like Howard, Harden, and Lin has dollar signs dancing in front of his eyes.

 

I think he knows he isn't a max guy (or even a Robin to someone else's Batman) and if he went to a team on a high dollar deal he would struggle to meet those expectations which would put a negative spin on his public perception which has a negative effect on those dancing dollar signs.

 

Yup, I've talked myself into it.  Parsons stays in Houston and is savvy enough to take a salary that is mutually beneficial maintaining his media darling status and making up the difference there.  I love win-win situations

Keep in mind Chandler Parsons has been underpaid pretty much ever since joining the Rockets due to the CBA limitations on rookie contracts. Some of the money he is about to be paid, in my opinion, includes appreciation pay for being such a productive and underpaid player.

[rocketrick]

Given that we got our superstars BECAUSE one valued money over bling....

 

10 million at least.  Wouldn't be surprised to see 12. 

12 million is probably on the high side but I would expect Chandler to get close to or possibly just surpass the $10 million mark.

Edited by rocketrick, 30 November 2013 - 08:59 PM.

[timetodienow1234567]

4 years 40-48 mil.

[Buckko]

12 million would be too much.

[thejohnnygold]

Keep in mind Chandler Parsons has been underpaid pretty much ever since joining the Rockets due to the CBA limitations on rookie contracts. Some of the money he is about to be paid, in my opinion, includes appreciation pay for being such a productive and underpaid player.

 

You're not wrong, but that is a bit of a one-sided view on the matter.  The Rockets are the team that gave him a chance and offered him a better contract than he could have gotten elsewhere.  They have invested time and resources into his improvement the same way he has invested time and effort into improving his game.

 

I have always disliked this aspect of sports and money.  Everybody wants to get paid for what they already got paid for.  He signed the contract and was due that money regardless of performance.

 

The Rockets very well may "throw him a bone" for his excellent play.  I don't think they should.  The organization is bigger than Chandler and, like it or not, he is replaceable.  If there were no salary cap I'd be all for it, but that is not the case.  Generosity just isn't a sound business model when the available resources are severely limited.

 

I do like 2016's idea of a front-loaded contract.  That could appease both sides.  Something along the lines of a 15-9-6-6 (not even sure if that works under the CBA) which equates to $9M/year and a $9M cap hit.  It's not that I don't think he is worth it--I just think this decision needs to be grounded in a team-first framework.

[rocketrick]

You're not wrong, but that is a bit of a one-sided view on the matter.  The Rockets are the team that gave him a chance and offered him a better contract than he could have gotten elsewhere.  They have invested time and resources into his improvement the same way he has invested time and effort into improving his game.

 

I have always disliked this aspect of sports and money.  Everybody wants to get paid for what they already got paid for.  He signed the contract and was due that money regardless of performance.

 

The Rockets very well may "throw him a bone" for his excellent play.  I don't think they should.  The organization is bigger than Chandler and, like it or not, he is replaceable.  If there were no salary cap I'd be all for it, but that is not the case.  Generosity just isn't a sound business model when the available resources are severely limited.

 

I do like 2016's idea of a front-loaded contract.  That could appease both sides.  Something along the lines of a 15-9-6-6 (not even sure if that works under the CBA) which equates to $9M/year and a $9M cap hit.  It's not that I don't think he is worth it--I just think this decision needs to be grounded in a team-first framework.

I think we'll just have to disagree on this. The Rockets "gave Parsons a chance" by drafting him in the 2nd round. The Rockets were smart and offered Parsons the extra year at the start when neither they nor Parsons knew how quickly he would become an effective NBA player, and most importantly, the glue that holds our team together through all the roster shuffling since he's been here.

 

I don't see Parsons agreeing to playing for $6 million in years 6 and 7.

 

Parsons gets $925,000 this season. Compare that to Greg Smith's contract, Motiejunas' contract, etc. Clearly Parsons is significantly underpaid which is the main reason Parsons is the best value in the league and has been for awhile,

 

You have to keep in mind many NBA players careers are cut short by injury, too.

 

Final point, a front loaded contract might make it more difficult for the Rockets to make that last splash for the final piece.

[Buckko]

For the last piece? I hate that, this team is title contention, enough with this idiotic big 3 ideology, its about the team, not a few players and this team is a contender. Nothing else is needed besides experience and chemistry.

Edited by Buckko, 01 December 2013 - 07:35 AM.

[thejohnnygold]

I am aware of all these things--as are you, RocketRick.  You are right that we will have to agree to disagree because I do not share your ideology.

 

Player injuries?  They are responsible for getting their own insurance against that--not strong-arming teams to over-pay them "just in case".  It is an unfortunate part of the game.  It is also an issue the player's association should have dealt with during their last negotiations.  This is such a "have your cake and eat it too" attitude.  Or is it just entitlement?  I can't tell.  Life isn't fair--plan accordingly.

 

Comparing Parsons' salary to others--ok.  I get it.  He contributes more for less.  Well then, perhaps what we should do is not pay anyone during the season.  Once the season is done we can look at the box scores and dole out the cash accordingly.    That's not the deal.  Nobody is getting mistreated around here.  So many players and fans seem to view this one-way street of contract fairness.  If I play well I should get more, but if I don't you still owe me every penny.  It's got to go both ways.  Under this system, Royce would have given nearly all his money back--so I'm not totally averse to the idea.

 

Don't take my hypothetical contract seriously--I just threw that out there.  It's not like Morey is going to read that and think, "Hey, that guy's got a good idea!  Get Fegan on the phone, pronto!"   I also disagree with the notion that we need a third piece.  One, a third piece would be nothing short of an anvil to our salary cap and it would sink this Rockets team.  Two, Parsons is that piece.  Check this out...

 

 

I recognize that George and Parsons have different roles, but the production is there.  Also, there is this guy named Terrence Jones which I guarantee every team in the league would like to get their hands on.  These two guys are still getting better too.  We're set.  Morey's either a genius or very lucky (probably both) to have everything come together this well.  Even our future appears to be mapped out for prolonged success.  The Rockets are in great shape and, while we all love Parsons, his contract must conform to the master plan.

 

One last thought, before anyone swoops in and points out that the stats above prove he deserves a fat contract.  George does that as the focal point of the offense, drawing every team's best defender, and making crunch time shots for wins while playing lock-down defense.  Parsons gets guys like Marco Bellinelli defending him--not Kawhi Leonard--and does a lot of his damage on the periphery of what others create.  He does it very well, but that's the difference between Paul George money and Chandler Parsons money.  (George is set to make $13.7M next season)

 

If Parsons gets overpaid, that contract becomes an albatross and he will get traded.  Nobody wants that.

[feelingsupersonic]

For the last piece? I hate that, this team is title contention, enough with this idiotic big 3 ideology, its about the team, not a few players and this team is a contender. Nothing else is needed besides experience and chemistry.

Idiotic? I don't even have time to explain but here is a list of 3 crucial players on great NBA teams: Russell, Cousey and Sharman or Chamberlain, West and Elgin/Goodrich or Reed, Frazier and Dave DeBuschierre (sp?) or Bird, McHale and Parish or Kareem, Magic and Worthy or Jordan, Pippen and Rodman or Duncan, Parker and Manu so the list goes on and please know your basketball history when talking about idiotic ideas.

[rocketrick]

I am aware of all these things--as are you, RocketRick.  You are right that we will have to agree to disagree because I do not share your ideology.

 

Player injuries?  They are responsible for getting their own insurance against that--not strong-arming teams to over-pay them "just in case".  It is an unfortunate part of the game.  It is also an issue the player's association should have dealt with during their last negotiations.  This is such a "have your cake and eat it too" attitude.  Or is it just entitlement?  I can't tell.  Life isn't fair--plan accordingly.

 

Comparing Parsons' salary to others--ok.  I get it.  He contributes more for less.  Well then, perhaps what we should do is not pay anyone during the season.  Once the season is done we can look at the box scores and dole out the cash accordingly.    That's not the deal.  Nobody is getting mistreated around here.  So many players and fans seem to view this one-way street of contract fairness.  If I play well I should get more, but if I don't you still owe me every penny.  It's got to go both ways.  Under this system, Royce would have given nearly all his money back--so I'm not totally averse to the idea.

 

Don't take my hypothetical contract seriously--I just threw that out there.  It's not like Morey is going to read that and think, "Hey, that guy's got a good idea!  Get Fegan on the phone, pronto!"   I also disagree with the notion that we need a third piece.  One, a third piece would be nothing short of an anvil to our salary cap and it would sink this Rockets team.  Two, Parsons is that piece.  Check this out...

 

 

I recognize that George and Parsons have different roles, but the production is there.  Also, there is this guy named Terrence Jones which I guarantee every team in the league would like to get their hands on.  These two guys are still getting better too.  We're set.  Morey's either a genius or very lucky (probably both) to have everything come together this well.  Even our future appears to be mapped out for prolonged success.  The Rockets are in great shape and, while we all love Parsons, his contract must conform to the master plan.

 

One last thought, before anyone swoops in and points out that the stats above prove he deserves a fat contract.  George does that as the focal point of the offense, drawing every team's best defender, and making crunch time shots for wins while playing lock-down defense.  Parsons gets guys like Marco Bellinelli defending him--not Kawhi Leonard--and does a lot of his damage on the periphery of what others create.  He does it very well, but that's the difference between Paul George money and Chandler Parsons money.  (George is set to make $13.7M next season)

 

If Parsons gets overpaid, that contract becomes an albatross and he will get traded.  Nobody wants that.

 

So much to reply about but so little time as I head out shortly to watch the Patriots destroy our Texans probably slowly but surely as that is Belichek's strategy always.

 

(1) The NBA will never play players in arrears based on their performance

 

(2) I have no clue what NBA player insurance cost but I bet it is much, much more expensive than any of us realize because of the amount of money that is involved. Should Chandler shift half of his salary towards paying an insurance premium to cover 10's of millions of salary? You should ask Chandler that question because I have no clue what his priorities are going forward.

 

(3) Yes, we will and should continue to agree to disagree. Apparently you take productive NBA players for granted ---according to your attitude, they are apparently a dime a dozen. Really????????? 

 

(4) Don't even get me started on Terrance Jones. I like, and have always liked, Terrance Jones. Heck, I even dratted him in our Fantasy League when he was a rookie because I liked him so much. However, Chandler Parsons has proven his worth over 2+ seasons. Terrance Jones just started at the PF position like 2 weeks ago.

 

So please, let's move on from the Terrance Jones and Chandler Parsons comparison.

 

Other than the fact Terrance Jones is making much more than Chandler Parsons, his rookie season, this is his 2nd season and Chandler Parsons just started his 3rd season with the Rockets. All because Terrance Jones was drafted in the 1st Round, about middle of the draft. Chandler Parsons was drafted in the 2nd round.

 

Which player was more valuable to the Rockets last season and is by far more valuable to the Rockets this season?

 

Ooops, guess what, according to the salaries paid due to the draft slot chosen in, Terrance Jones has already been paid more than Chandler Parsons early in his 2nd year while Chandler Parsons keeps doing what Chandler Parsons always has done from day one, hustle his butt off, but for less money.

 

(5) The money difference between Paul George and Chandler Parsons is like night and day. Do you prefer the darkness of night? If so, you are quite satisfied with Chandler Parsons earning 15 times less money than Paul George this season. Perhaps you like the daytime better and are satisfied with Paul George's contributions to the Indiana Pacers. Is he worth 15 times more than Chandler Parsons salary?

 

Hardly.

 

(6) 3rd Piece? Well, if the Rockets think they got the perfect team with the 3rd piece being a player earning less than $1 million dollars this season, well, in the history of the NBA, and nearly as long as I have been a fan, I can't think of one single example where a 3rd piece, ie, Chandler Parsons, made so much less than the first 2 pieces.

 

(7) Last but not least, I guess we continue to agree to disagree.

 

I am at a complete loss of words after this................

[Rahat Huq]

Really wish he'd go back to being a good defender.  But I get it.  Gotta get paid.  Can't blame the man.

[rocketrick]

Really wish he'd go back to being a good defender.  But I get it.  Gotta get paid.  Can't blame the man.

 

All I can say is that when Chandler Parsons moves on, certain Rockets fans that took him for granted will finally, but much too late, realize, what he meant to this team.

[timetodienow1234567]

Who's taking him for granted?

[rocketrick]

Exactly my thoughts when I don't read the prior posts.