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@  2016Champions : (23 July 2013 - 12:07 PM) "Overall, when a qualifying defender is within 5 feet of the basket, the NBA shoots 57.2% of its attempts close to the basket; however, when Dwight Howard was the interior defender this number dropped to 48.2%"

2010-11?
@  2016Champions : (23 July 2013 - 12:06 PM) Weird, I can see John Eby's daily on the front page but not in the forum. I was wondering which season the Kirksberry study was in reference to.
@  2016Champions : (22 July 2013 - 09:13 PM) I'm not sure, but I think this is Chandler Parsons blocking DeMarcus Cousins: https://vine.co/v/hKnZuWQ7qLK
@  Ostrow : (22 July 2013 - 08:22 PM) He was my first thought as well, but he was so good offensively.
@  CC. : (22 July 2013 - 08:05 PM) Well there's Kevin McHale haha. 6th man of the year twice, Of course he wasn't just strictly a defensive player, but he did star in six all defensive teams, which ain't too bad right
@  Ostrow : (22 July 2013 - 07:50 PM) I love me a Asik, he's just a weird type of player for a 6th made. I'm trying to think of great 6th men who came of the bench and basically were only defensive players.
@  CC. : (22 July 2013 - 07:48 PM) And yeah I don't see Asik as that 6th man Harden once was, but he still anchors that defense for 48 minutes, and for a team like the Rockets...they need it and that's fine for me as a '6th man'
@  CC. : (22 July 2013 - 07:45 PM) I honestly have kept OKC as the 1st, until now that I'm finding out Martin left haha. I'd go with the Spurs now
@  Ostrow : (22 July 2013 - 07:41 PM) Who sounds like your one seed out of curiosity? I mean our 6th man isn't great for that role. Obviously Asik is good, but not your stereotypical 6th man sparkplug scorer off the bench
@  CC. : (22 July 2013 - 07:18 PM) So that leaves OKC with Reggie as their 6th man? Hmm that doesn't sound like 1st seed to me
@  redfaithful : (21 July 2013 - 09:15 AM) 3 team deal with Bucks, OKC got rights to Szymon Szewczyk, drafted 2003...
@  Ostrow : (21 July 2013 - 07:25 AM) sign and trade. they didn't want to pay him
@  RollingWave : (21 July 2013 - 03:48 AM) they got Luk Ridinour for him I think
@  CC. : (21 July 2013 - 01:18 AM) Wait what happened to Kevin Martin? OKC got only a second round pick for him?
@  timetodienow... : (20 July 2013 - 02:55 AM) guy*
@  timetodienow... : (20 July 2013 - 02:54 AM) Yeah, I can see that. The dude is my favorite irrational confidence guys.
@  2016Champions : (20 July 2013 - 02:52 AM) I do see the reason for comparison though, both capable scorers and defensive liabilities.
@  2016Champions : (20 July 2013 - 02:51 AM) Nate wouldn't have accepted the flimsy contract we gave Brooks. Brooks is nothing more than an emergency 3rd string, where as Nate is looking for more than that.
@  timetodienow... : (20 July 2013 - 02:15 AM) What are you guys' thoughts about bringing in Nate Robinson? I wondered why the Rockets signed Brooks when Nate was still available.
@  timetodienow... : (20 July 2013 - 01:59 AM) Cousins isn't consistent enough for that. I ranked them on a post if you want to comment there.

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LaMarcus Aldridge Trade Rumor Thread


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#1 Jeby

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    Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:10 PM

    LMA may be on the trading block:
    http://hangtime.blog...ls=iref:nbahpts

    He's one of the sweetest shooting bigs in the league--a solid all-around All-Star who could fit with Dwight Howard. Houston may be able to dangle Asik and Lin to get him.

    Discuss.
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    Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:19 PM

    It will take more than that. Probably a first and a third team to take Lin(they already have 2 PGs). Maybe a three team trade but I just don't see that being enough to pry away Aldridge.

    Why so Serious? :D


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      Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:23 PM

      Hard to see how we keep Parsons over the term if we add another $15M+ contract to the books, isn't it? So you start looking at marginal improvements from Aldridge/Bev/(Casspi?) over Jones/Lin/Parsons within the confines of available touches. I don't know. I'd feel differently if Aldridge was a $10M contract, obviously.



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      Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:25 PM

      Asik, Lin, Jones, 2 1sts would be a strong package we can put together. Problem is Aldridge might end up being our version of Bosh--an elite talent delegated to the role of a spot-up shooter. Synergy is important.

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        Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:27 PM

        When do we start seeing the Granger rumors?



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          Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:31 PM

          He doesn't fit this team. Next.

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          Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:41 PM

          I would rather have Aldridge getting the 15-20 postups a game and relegate Dwight to being strictly a PnR man. That would make this team unstoppable in my opinion.


          Why so Serious? :D


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            Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:45 PM

            Yeah I just don't like LMA in a Rockets jersey...

            Something just tells me the frontcourt would be clogged up with him and D12 on it, plus Harden driving

            in the middle of the lane occasionally.

            And I just prefer keeping Lin as a starter and Asik as our back-up center for a full 48 minute defense.

            If Lin and Asik are going away, I would wait for more options. A dream PF I'd like to see play here in Houston

            is Kevin Love, got size for boards and a three point touch (career 35%) along with last years 18PPG+

            not to mention Love was injured last season..



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            Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:53 PM

            I know it wouldn't work because Dwight wouldn't stand for it, but just imagining the team with that frontline is making me salivate. LA is also extremely good at the PnR. He's also improved on the defensive end(although not a great rim protector, we wouldn't nee him to be). Maybe I overrate him since I'm a fan, but he would give Houston three legitimate MVP candidates.

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            #10 Jeby

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              Posted 19 July 2013 - 06:22 PM

              I think LMA's combination of shooting and defense is what makes him a better fit than any other PF, with the possible exception of Bosh or Al Horford, and one other player (hang on). Kevin Love's greatest skill, rebounding, is wasted playing next to Howard. Elite rebounders run into the principle of diminishing returns when they share the floor, especially if they, like Love, dont have the defensive ability to force a lot of misses (think of the old Scola/Hayes forntcourt as an extreme example). By contrast, having multiple long defenders who can cover a lot of ground (Howard and LMA) multiply their defensive impact by playing together, proven historically by pairings such as Jordan/Pippen, James/Wade, and Duncan/Robinson.
              The one other player I was referring to above is Terrence Jones. If he can maintain the flashes of shot-blocking brilliance he showed at the end of last season and be reliable with the three-point shot he showed at summer league, then he would be devastating next to Dwight. For that reason, I hope the Rockets can wait until the trade deadline to decide on trading for an elite PF. And obviously those aforementioned "if's" are HUGE.
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              Posted 19 July 2013 - 06:31 PM

              Asik, Lin, Jones, 2 1sts would be a strong package we can put together. Problem is Aldridge might end up being our version of Bosh--an elite talent delegated to the role of a spot-up shooter. Synergy is important.

              not a bad package except jones needs to left out. if their getting asik and 2 #1's but don't want Lin then a third team should be bought in to send Lin to netting more assets for Portland. including Jones is paying to much



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              Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:04 PM

              I would rather have Aldridge getting the 15-20 postups a game and relegate Dwight to being strictly a PnR man. That would make this team unstoppable in my opinion.

              Aldridge's Post-Ups: 47.6%fg on 441 attempts--that's equivalent to 31.7% from 3pt. 

               

              Dwight's PnR's: 79.6%fg on 103 attempts--that's equivalent to 53.3% from 3pt. 

               

              Clearly, Dwight is more efficient on the PnR than Aldridge is on post-ups. The only question is in regard to the attempts. I think Dwight's attempts were low because of his bad back (pick and rolls are alot of work mobility wise) and the Lakers lack of floor spacing.


              Edited by 2016Champions, 19 July 2013 - 07:12 PM.

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              Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:09 PM

              Aldridge's Post-Ups: 47.6%fg on 441 attempts--that's equivalent to 31.7% from 3pt. 

               

              Dwight's PnR's: 79.6%fg on 103 attempts--that's equivalent to 53.3% from 3pt. 

               

              Clearly, Dwight is more efficient on the PnR than Aldridge is on post-ups. The only question is in regard to the attempts. I think Dwight's attempts were low because of his back back (pick and rolls are alot of work mobility wise) and the Lakers lack of floor spacing.

              I agree Howard is the superior post player. however LMA is the superior long range shooter making the two a perfect fit (IMO)



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                Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:15 PM


                not a bad package except jones needs to left out. if their getting asik and 2 #1's but don't want Lin then a third team should be bought in to send Lin to netting more assets for Portland. including Jones is paying to much


                I agree..Which is why waiting makes the most since..all three of those players will be worth more at the trade deadline..Tjones will prove he can start I'm the Nba he shouldn't just be a throw in..I agree if we are giving up 2 first then Lin to a third team and Asik should be enough..we could throw in a shooter like Williams or a prospect..but not three NBa starters and 2 first rounders for LA..I could argue with our draft picking skills those first rounders and Tjones might be to much..we don't miss much drafting

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                  Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:19 PM

                  Yeah, I would be a sad camper if Jones was traded before we got to see how his second season looks. He's my favorite prospect on the roster.



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                  Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:31 PM

                  What I meant was we need both post ups and PnRs. I like Aldridges game better on post ups since he has more moves. He favors the fadeaway jumper a little too much, but with Mchale tutoring him, watch out. He also gets double and tripled every play since Portland hasn't been very good besides him, recently. And reportedly, Aldridge is working on his 3 point shot this offseason.

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                  Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:58 PM

                  Post-ups are overrated, it's not a pre-requisite of a championship team. I do like the sound of Aldridge working on his 3pt shot though. 


                  Edited by 2016Champions, 19 July 2013 - 08:00 PM.

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                    Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:29 PM

                    I just see post up as another tool..don't know about over rated but it sure isn't the main reason anyone wins or loses championships..would love him shooting threes..he has great range already..it's only a couple steps back..would make him one of if not the best Pf in the game..would have the best at 3 positions on one team..though I'm not sure there is enough shots to go around to make it worth it

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                    Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:57 PM

                    I just see post up as another tool..don't know about over rated but it sure isn't the main reason anyone wins or loses championships..would love him shooting threes..he has great range already..it's only a couple steps back..would make him one of if not the best Pf in the game..would have the best at 3 positions on one team..though I'm not sure there is enough shots to go around to make it worth it

                    Agreed. 


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                      Posted 19 July 2013 - 09:46 PM

                      I think it is critical to let the young guys develop.  Asik won't be here forever, but I do like the 3-man squad of Howard, Jones, & DMo.  That trio has some potential for being a solid front court rotation as long as the Sophomores continue to develop and then when Asik leaves in two years (or is traded) his open salary can be used to resign Parsons.

                       

                      With that trio I like Howard and Jones to start.  I think that can be a very solid defensive and rebounding front court.  Furthermore, if Jones builds off his summer league, he is an excellent complement to Howard offensively and still doesn't require a lot of touches since there aren't many to have.

                       

                      Then DMo can come off the bench and almost be our sixth many if he can refind his shooting touch.  He has the offensive skill set to be a dominant offensive player (especially against second units) and the ability to play alongside both Jones and Howard as he can many the post with Jones and play spot up shooter with Howard.  His defensive liability (as I think he will only ever be a slightly above average defender at best) also will be masked by playing primarily against second units and always having a solid defensive player in the line-up with him. 






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