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@  2016Champions : (28 April 2013 - 04:49 AM) McHale says he was trying to get officials' attention to call timeout after KD 3. When turnover ensued, did NOT want team to foul.
@  pharmag : (28 April 2013 - 04:33 AM) Lin probably should have sat the whole game...however he didn't and then Bev got into foul trouble early and it was either see what Lin can do or play Aaron Brooks.  Used to like Brooks, but he isn't the player from his MIP year and he is a huge liability on defense.
@  miketheodio : (28 April 2013 - 04:33 AM) frustrating team to be a fan of.
@  thenit : (28 April 2013 - 04:32 AM) Heartbroken, going to cry myself to slep now :(
@  thenit : (28 April 2013 - 04:31 AM) If I was Mchale watching Lin wince every shoot he took in the warmup, I would just had said I'm sitting you, because there is no way a player will say coach i can't play
@  thenit : (28 April 2013 - 04:30 AM) we are notoriously slow starters.
@  thenit : (28 April 2013 - 04:30 AM) I have critized Mchale for not lettng Lin play enough and tonight when I didn't want Lin to play he plays him lol
@  pharmag : (28 April 2013 - 04:30 AM) One of the biggest things with this team is they don't come out swinging (especially on defense).  They wait until they take a few sharp jabs to the jaw.  As long as their shots are falling it doesn't hurt them to bad, but when they aren't, it leads to the 20 point holes they have to dig out of...
@  thenit : (28 April 2013 - 04:28 AM) were u at the game bboley?
@  thenit : (28 April 2013 - 04:28 AM) if they would have wanted to foul they would have done it earlier, not wait until its 8 on the shot clock
@  bboley24 : (28 April 2013 - 04:27 AM) "To play us out, what does that mean to play us out?  There are no words!"

-Bill Oreilly
@  thenit : (28 April 2013 - 04:27 AM) Yea I know just hard to take when its back to back, you fight your way back and then you can't setup a good play
@  pharmag : (28 April 2013 - 04:27 AM) 2016 he didn't.  It was obvious he was annoyed...
@  thenit : (28 April 2013 - 04:26 AM) why were u watching on laptop ? its on espn
@  pharmag : (28 April 2013 - 04:26 AM) That is actually a very good play during the course of the game.  It was only a bad play because the Thunder knew the 3 was coming.  Without the threat of the weakside drive once Delfino receives ball, it is easy to guard.  However, youth will learn (and hopefully coach will too)
@  2016Champions : (28 April 2013 - 04:26 AM) pretty sure McHale didn't want a foul there
@  thenit : (28 April 2013 - 04:26 AM) so damn pissed and proud of the team
@  2016Champions : (28 April 2013 - 04:26 AM) oh I missed it, my laptop crashed after the Garcia foul on Fisher
@  thenit : (28 April 2013 - 04:25 AM) the 3 guys who kept us in the game killed us at the end. Garcia with the foul, Parson and Harden with the turnovers when we had the lead
@  thenit : (28 April 2013 - 04:24 AM) yea I agree there. the last play was bad, MCHALE should draw a better play than that. Thats twice now

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How far are we away from being contenders?


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#1 Jason

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    Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:48 AM

    I have been debating with a friend all season that we are just one star away but he says we are two stars away. My argument was that if all of our players progress to what I think they can progress to, then we are one star away. He says things never work like that. But now I am starting to see his side. As you see in my Lin posting I am now questioning how good he can become. Earlier in the season I said he would progress to an All-Star level but now Im not so sure. Also, how much better will Asik, Parsons, and the rest of our young guys get? How far are we away from truly contending? I'm just not sure anymore.

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    Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:52 AM

    We are one healthy Kevin Love or LaMarcus Aldridge away from contending.

     

    According to Daryl Morey, we need a top 10 player (which we already have) and another top 15-20 player (which we need to get).

     

    People might call me crazy for saying this, but I think Josh Smith and Paul Millsap have the potential to be top 20 players in our system surrounded by the talent that we have.


    "Someone created the box score, and he should be shot" - Daryl Morey

     “Every [player] decision has two main components, the scouting or traditional analysis and the numbers … depending on the situation, you weight them differently.” - Daryl Morey

     

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    Do not read statistics as gospel. Statistics provides tools that you need in order to react intelligently to information you hear or see.


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      Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:59 AM


      We are one healthy Kevin Love away from contending.


      I used to think that too, but I'm not so sure. I think that would make us very good and a 50+ win team, but that is not the same as being a true contender and having a legitimate shot at winning it all.

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        Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:17 AM

        2 years and 1 more GUY. That can be someone from our current roster developing to an all-star level or a free agent/trade.



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        Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:31 AM

        I used to think that too, but I'm not so sure. I think that would make us very good and a 50+ win team, but that is not the same as being a true contender and having a legitimate shot at winning it all.

        Morey said we need at least 1 top 10 player to win the championship, and we have that. He said if we have 3 all-star caliber players that will increase our chances alot, but it's still possible to win with 2.


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         “Every [player] decision has two main components, the scouting or traditional analysis and the numbers … depending on the situation, you weight them differently.” - Daryl Morey

         

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        Small sample sizes exaggerate effects. 

        Do not read statistics as gospel. Statistics provides tools that you need in order to react intelligently to information you hear or see.


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          Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:51 PM

          I used to think that too, but I'm not so sure. I think that would make us very good and a 50+ win team, but that is not the same as being a true contender and having a legitimate shot at winning it all.

          I honestly think you've been overreacting to last game by a lot with these threads.  We pretty much have the worst big man rotation left in the playoffs.  You get that to average, that's a 50-win team.  You get an All-Star, we'll probably be at the level of say, Denver or San Antonio, and I think that's a contender.

           

          If, however, you mean by "true contender" you mean "better than Miami", then yes, I could see needing two stars.  And beating Miami will be hard.  But you have to do it one step at a time, anyways.



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            Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:56 PM

            A CP3 or D12 away from contending. You could then flip Lin or Asik for the backup wing to replace Parsons/Hardin giving them rest.

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              Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:00 PM

              I honestly think you've been overreacting to last game by a lot with these threads. We pretty much have the worst big man rotation left in the playoffs. You get that to average, that's a 50-win team. You get an All-Star, we'll probably be at the level of say, Denver or San Antonio, and I think that's a contender.

              If, however, you mean by "true contender" you mean "better than Miami", then yes, I could see needing two stars. And beating Miami will be hard. But you have to do it one step at a time, anyways.


              Yeah, by true contender I do mean a legitimate and realistic shot at beating Miami and OkC, not just 50+ wins.

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              Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:35 PM

              OKC, Miami, and SA all have two top 10 players each, so I guess we'll need to match that at least. Unfortunately, that's easier said than done. The only other way is to get at least another top 20 player, and then have alot of underrated talent around those two guys. 


              "Someone created the box score, and he should be shot" - Daryl Morey

               “Every [player] decision has two main components, the scouting or traditional analysis and the numbers … depending on the situation, you weight them differently.” - Daryl Morey

               

              Friendly reminders:

              Small sample sizes exaggerate effects. 

              Do not read statistics as gospel. Statistics provides tools that you need in order to react intelligently to information you hear or see.


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                Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:51 PM

                Yeah, by true contender I do mean a legitimate and realistic shot at beating Miami and OkC, not just 50+ wins.

                Are you telling me that San Antonio is not a legitimate contender?



                #11 Jason

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                  Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:59 PM

                  [quote name="PKM" post="16765" timestamp="1366739477"]
                  Are you telling me that San Antonio is not a legitimate contender?[/quote

                  Honestly I don't think they are. I think their time has passed.

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                  Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:05 PM

                  Whoa, disagree! The Spurs dominated the league at the beginning of the season when everyone was healthy, and now it looks like everyone is healthy again so they're very legit!


                  "Someone created the box score, and he should be shot" - Daryl Morey

                   “Every [player] decision has two main components, the scouting or traditional analysis and the numbers … depending on the situation, you weight them differently.” - Daryl Morey

                   

                  Friendly reminders:

                  Small sample sizes exaggerate effects. 

                  Do not read statistics as gospel. Statistics provides tools that you need in order to react intelligently to information you hear or see.


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                    Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:08 PM

                    Whoa, disagree! The Spurs dominated the league at the beginning of the season when everyone was healthy, and now it looks like everyone is healthy again so they're very legit!


                    I don't see them having a chance against OKC or even the Clippers. Too old, time for Duncan to retire, Ginobli is beat up.

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                      Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:14 PM

                      I would be shocked if the Spurs actually made the finals. So to me that makes them pretenders and not contenders.

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                        Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:38 PM

                        I think the spurs (if healthy) have a chance to knock off the heat, because they match up better vs the heat than the thunder do.

                         

                        Maybe its just paranoia about missing out on CP3 or Howard, but I think we have to get one of them to actually have a title shot. I think Denver might be the best comparable for us if we do strike out. I guess we'll see how they do this year.  With Mayo/Millsap/Smith we'd be solid, but we don't have the home court advantage of playing at high altitude like Denver either.



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                          Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:59 PM

                          I think the spurs (if healthy) have a chance to knock off the heat, because they match up better vs the heat than the thunder do.

                          Maybe its just paranoia about missing out on CP3 or Howard, but I think we have to get one of them to actually have a title shot. I think Denver might be the best comparable for us if we do strike out. I guess we'll see how they do this year. With Mayo/Millsap/Smith we'd be solid, but we don't have the home court advantage of playing at high altitude like Denver either.


                          I agree with you. And Denver, despite having a great regular season, has no realistic shot at winning it all.

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                          Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:08 PM

                          I don't see them having a chance against OKC or even the Clippers. Too old, time for Duncan to retire, Ginobli is beat up.

                           

                          "Too old, Time for Duncan to retire" .......................

                           

                          that tells me all I  need to know about your basketball knowledge.


                          Why so Serious? :D


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                          Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:34 PM

                          we need 1 more legit star and a lot of experience for our younger guys.  playoff experience would be best, but might only get 4 games this season.



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                            Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:57 PM

                            "Too old, Time for Duncan to retire" .......................

                            that tells me all I need to know about your basketball knowledge.

                            So you think the Spurs will win it all? They have a zero percent chance. And yes, I know Duncan is still a very good player but players don't always have to wait till they are completely washed up and useless to retire. He has won multiple titles and is the greatest PF in the history of the league. What else does he have to prove? Don't question my basketball knowledge, that is rude and disrespectful.

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                            Posted 23 April 2013 - 08:05 PM

                            He is a legitimate DPOY candidate. And is going to get either 1st or 2nd team all NBA. He's nowhere near washed up. He's no longer the best player in the league, but he's still elite. And yes, the Spurs have a chance. They always have a chance. Are they the favorites? No, but don't mistake that for not having a chance.


                            Why so Serious? :D





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