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@  2016Champions : (17 June 2013 - 05:26 AM) I had a feeling Ginobili would regress to the mean.
@  Dan G : (17 June 2013 - 04:33 AM) Now I had no idea Ginobli was gonna pull a Wade and turn back the clock. I give Pop the majority of the credit for that.
@  Dan G : (17 June 2013 - 04:32 AM) I don't think it was too ballsy on San Antonio's part. With the way Splitter has been playing and since Miami has started Miller the last two games, I thought it was inevitable that Ginobli would start.
@  RollingWave : (17 June 2013 - 02:57 AM) I must say that both team had some serious ballsy lineup changes this series, Ginobilli start? and dominate?
@  2016Champions : (16 June 2013 - 09:26 PM) According to Dr. Klapper, treatment for Parker's hamstring will only last one half. Lateral movement and jumping will be a problem.
@  2016Champions : (16 June 2013 - 04:56 AM) Parker said Pop was very angry with him for the constant nagging insisting he can play, Pop really didn't want Parker to play. Just goes to show Pop knows best.
@  RollingWave : (16 June 2013 - 04:28 AM) Parker says his hamstring is almost shot , that would probably doom the Spurs if he can't play at least 80%
@  2016Champions : (15 June 2013 - 12:38 AM) Miami is 6-0 in playoffs following losses (outscoring opponents by 20.7 PPG in those games). They've won 12 straight games following losses.
@  2016Champions : (14 June 2013 - 04:50 PM) The Heat are notoriously slow starters. Once they get going it's like a snowball effect, they get more dangerous as they go along.
@  2016Champions : (14 June 2013 - 04:49 PM) My heart says SA, but my mind says MIA
@  rocketrick : (14 June 2013 - 11:06 AM) Anybody else going to San Antone for Game 5??
@  RollingWave : (14 June 2013 - 10:15 AM) The Heat is doomed / the Spurs is doom , repeat until game 7
@  2016Champions : (14 June 2013 - 06:28 AM) Now that Wade's knee doesn't seem to be bothering him anymore, Spurs are in trouble.
@  rocketrick : (14 June 2013 - 06:26 AM) Mark Twain once was quoted--Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. Not sure that motivates the Heat but food for thought for whatever that is worth!
@  2016Champions : (14 June 2013 - 04:43 AM) What happened to Parker that second half? Hamstring caught up to him?
@  Ostrow : (14 June 2013 - 03:57 AM) Has Manu had any good playoff games?
@  RollingWave : (14 June 2013 - 03:50 AM) G4 was very interesting, both teams making big adjustments, but I think at the end of the day Wade's rejuvenation / dead cat bounce versus Manu 's continued suck is the difference
@  RollingWave : (13 June 2013 - 08:49 AM) @rocketrick lol good one. I honestly don't know what happens now, I was expecting Spurs to win G3 but not by THAT much
@  rocketrick : (12 June 2013 - 10:55 AM) I can't wait for Game 5 after the Heat burn the Spurs on Thursday night
@  RollingWave : (12 June 2013 - 06:52 AM) The amazing thing is this 2nd rounder and undrafted guy played like super stars while the best player ever an another sure fired HOF guy played like junk

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How far are we away from being contenders?


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#1 Jason

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    Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:48 AM

    I have been debating with a friend all season that we are just one star away but he says we are two stars away. My argument was that if all of our players progress to what I think they can progress to, then we are one star away. He says things never work like that. But now I am starting to see his side. As you see in my Lin posting I am now questioning how good he can become. Earlier in the season I said he would progress to an All-Star level but now Im not so sure. Also, how much better will Asik, Parsons, and the rest of our young guys get? How far are we away from truly contending? I'm just not sure anymore.

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    Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:52 AM

    We are one healthy Kevin Love or LaMarcus Aldridge away from contending.

     

    According to Daryl Morey, we need a top 10 player (which we already have) and another top 15-20 player (which we need to get).

     

    People might call me crazy for saying this, but I think Josh Smith and Paul Millsap have the potential to be top 20 players in our system surrounded by the talent that we have.


    Don't be too quick to assume you're right and the experts are wrong. 

     

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    #3 Jason

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      Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:59 AM


      We are one healthy Kevin Love away from contending.


      I used to think that too, but I'm not so sure. I think that would make us very good and a 50+ win team, but that is not the same as being a true contender and having a legitimate shot at winning it all.

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        Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:17 AM

        2 years and 1 more GUY. That can be someone from our current roster developing to an all-star level or a free agent/trade.



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        Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:31 AM

        I used to think that too, but I'm not so sure. I think that would make us very good and a 50+ win team, but that is not the same as being a true contender and having a legitimate shot at winning it all.

        Morey said we need at least 1 top 10 player to win the championship, and we have that. He said if we have 3 all-star caliber players that will increase our chances alot, but it's still possible to win with 2.


        Don't be too quick to assume you're right and the experts are wrong. 

         

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          Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:51 PM

          I used to think that too, but I'm not so sure. I think that would make us very good and a 50+ win team, but that is not the same as being a true contender and having a legitimate shot at winning it all.

          I honestly think you've been overreacting to last game by a lot with these threads.  We pretty much have the worst big man rotation left in the playoffs.  You get that to average, that's a 50-win team.  You get an All-Star, we'll probably be at the level of say, Denver or San Antonio, and I think that's a contender.

           

          If, however, you mean by "true contender" you mean "better than Miami", then yes, I could see needing two stars.  And beating Miami will be hard.  But you have to do it one step at a time, anyways.



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            Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:56 PM

            A CP3 or D12 away from contending. You could then flip Lin or Asik for the backup wing to replace Parsons/Hardin giving them rest.

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              Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:00 PM

              I honestly think you've been overreacting to last game by a lot with these threads. We pretty much have the worst big man rotation left in the playoffs. You get that to average, that's a 50-win team. You get an All-Star, we'll probably be at the level of say, Denver or San Antonio, and I think that's a contender.

              If, however, you mean by "true contender" you mean "better than Miami", then yes, I could see needing two stars. And beating Miami will be hard. But you have to do it one step at a time, anyways.


              Yeah, by true contender I do mean a legitimate and realistic shot at beating Miami and OkC, not just 50+ wins.

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              Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:35 PM

              OKC, Miami, and SA all have two top 10 players each, so I guess we'll need to match that at least. Unfortunately, that's easier said than done. The only other way is to get at least another top 20 player, and then have alot of underrated talent around those two guys. 


              Don't be too quick to assume you're right and the experts are wrong. 

               

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                Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:51 PM

                Yeah, by true contender I do mean a legitimate and realistic shot at beating Miami and OkC, not just 50+ wins.

                Are you telling me that San Antonio is not a legitimate contender?



                #11 Jason

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                  Posted 23 April 2013 - 05:59 PM

                  [quote name="PKM" post="16765" timestamp="1366739477"]
                  Are you telling me that San Antonio is not a legitimate contender?[/quote

                  Honestly I don't think they are. I think their time has passed.

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                  Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:05 PM

                  Whoa, disagree! The Spurs dominated the league at the beginning of the season when everyone was healthy, and now it looks like everyone is healthy again so they're very legit!


                  Don't be too quick to assume you're right and the experts are wrong. 

                   

                  "A fool who recognizes his own ignorance is thereby in fact a wise man, but a fool who considers himself wise -- that is what one really calls a fool." ~Gautama Buddha


                  #13 Jason

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                    Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:08 PM

                    Whoa, disagree! The Spurs dominated the league at the beginning of the season when everyone was healthy, and now it looks like everyone is healthy again so they're very legit!


                    I don't see them having a chance against OKC or even the Clippers. Too old, time for Duncan to retire, Ginobli is beat up.

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                      Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:14 PM

                      I would be shocked if the Spurs actually made the finals. So to me that makes them pretenders and not contenders.

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                        Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:38 PM

                        I think the spurs (if healthy) have a chance to knock off the heat, because they match up better vs the heat than the thunder do.

                         

                        Maybe its just paranoia about missing out on CP3 or Howard, but I think we have to get one of them to actually have a title shot. I think Denver might be the best comparable for us if we do strike out. I guess we'll see how they do this year.  With Mayo/Millsap/Smith we'd be solid, but we don't have the home court advantage of playing at high altitude like Denver either.



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                          Posted 23 April 2013 - 06:59 PM

                          I think the spurs (if healthy) have a chance to knock off the heat, because they match up better vs the heat than the thunder do.

                          Maybe its just paranoia about missing out on CP3 or Howard, but I think we have to get one of them to actually have a title shot. I think Denver might be the best comparable for us if we do strike out. I guess we'll see how they do this year. With Mayo/Millsap/Smith we'd be solid, but we don't have the home court advantage of playing at high altitude like Denver either.


                          I agree with you. And Denver, despite having a great regular season, has no realistic shot at winning it all.

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                          Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:08 PM

                          I don't see them having a chance against OKC or even the Clippers. Too old, time for Duncan to retire, Ginobli is beat up.

                           

                          "Too old, Time for Duncan to retire" .......................

                           

                          that tells me all I  need to know about your basketball knowledge.


                          Why so Serious? :D


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                          Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:34 PM

                          we need 1 more legit star and a lot of experience for our younger guys.  playoff experience would be best, but might only get 4 games this season.



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                            Posted 23 April 2013 - 07:57 PM

                            "Too old, Time for Duncan to retire" .......................

                            that tells me all I need to know about your basketball knowledge.

                            So you think the Spurs will win it all? They have a zero percent chance. And yes, I know Duncan is still a very good player but players don't always have to wait till they are completely washed up and useless to retire. He has won multiple titles and is the greatest PF in the history of the league. What else does he have to prove? Don't question my basketball knowledge, that is rude and disrespectful.

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                            Posted 23 April 2013 - 08:05 PM

                            He is a legitimate DPOY candidate. And is going to get either 1st or 2nd team all NBA. He's nowhere near washed up. He's no longer the best player in the league, but he's still elite. And yes, the Spurs have a chance. They always have a chance. Are they the favorites? No, but don't mistake that for not having a chance.


                            Why so Serious? :D





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