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@  bboley24 : (10 May 2013 - 02:18 PM) MDK
@  RollingWave : (09 May 2013 - 10:01 AM) The west is such a brutal conference though, I mean if the Heat was in the West, it's probably at least a 30% chance they don't make it to the finals either. almost everything is good enough that if enough things lineup right for a brief stretch your done.
@  2016Champions : (09 May 2013 - 04:35 AM) I've been saying ppl need to stop sleeping on the Spurs, but if they lose this series I'm going into deep slumber on them. Like Demolition Man cryonically frozen slumber.
@  blakecouey : (09 May 2013 - 03:31 AM) Well Hack-A-Bogut is going to get the Spurs back into this game.  They should've been put away, big shots falling again tonight.
@  blakecouey : (09 May 2013 - 02:55 AM) I don't know if he realizes it, but they're the same age whether they win or lose.
@  blakecouey : (09 May 2013 - 02:55 AM) "If/when these guys win tonight we cant no longer call these guys young" - Shaq on The Warriors.
@  pharmag : (07 May 2013 - 10:17 PM) @2016, that is too true!  Of course it helps that South Beach, LA, and NYC teams have their cap room tied up for forseeable future (barring a D12 or CP3 bailing)
@  2016Champions : (07 May 2013 - 02:59 PM) I feel like we're becoming one of the most desired destinations now too, our organization is moving on up!
@  feelingsuper... : (07 May 2013 - 01:09 PM) That is a good sign when other organizations cherry pick your staff. I think the culture and system that the Rockets have put in place and begun to develop in the end will be far more important than any coach.
@  blakecouey : (07 May 2013 - 03:10 AM) Going to miss Sampson.  Everything Ive heard/read/seen say hes a great coach.
@  RollingWave : (07 May 2013 - 02:54 AM) Our D, at least in half court, was very sound, the transition part though... eeek.
@  2016Champions : (07 May 2013 - 02:50 AM) Sampson was the mastermind behind our underrated defense.
@  Richards : (07 May 2013 - 02:30 AM) We all knew Morey put together the team and McHale/Sampson coached the players. Sampson was a mastermind behind coaching.
@  feelingsuper... : (07 May 2013 - 02:08 AM) You got a right to your opinion but seems like Morey is the brains to me, thought that was obvious with the offensive scheme and all that. Rockets coaching is about leadership at this point which McHale possesses in spades.
@  Richards : (07 May 2013 - 02:04 AM) Well, by reading what players said throughout the season, Sampson seems to be the brain behind Rockets basketball.
@  feelingsuper... : (07 May 2013 - 01:52 AM) Of course he stays, what do you mean by that question? It is a strange question since what assistants do would never effect a head coach that way.
@  Richards : (07 May 2013 - 12:51 AM) Will McHale stay if Sampson got coaching job at another team?
@  RollingWave : (05 May 2013 - 09:37 AM) Irving still need to work on a few things (most notably defense), his performance considering his age is great.
@  Dan G : (04 May 2013 - 06:50 AM) Damn..who knew tonight was gonna be close out the series night? Four Games 6s and four closeouts.
@  feelingsuper... : (04 May 2013 - 06:28 AM) Whatever comes the next few seasons (barring injuries) it will be hard to match the unadulterated excitement we had watching these young Rockets this past year, it was definitely some kind of roller coaster ride...

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Is Jeremy Lin the Long-Term answer at PG?


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#21 thejohnnygold

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:27 PM

Not every point guard comes into the league and starts tearing things up--the ones that do tend to have freakish athleticism.

 

What would you guys say to a Chauncey Billups comparison?  In one regard this would be terrible as it took him until his 5th team to really find himself (Detroit in his 7th year).  Still, I can see their play style being similar--not having elite athleticism Billups had to rely on outside shooting to set up the rest of his game.  He developed a solid outside game and we all know about his clutch shooting.  In the Pistons' two championship seasons he averaged roughly 17 pts, 3 rebs, and 6 assists.  Not exactly blowing the roof off the building.  Lin has better quickness, is developing that shot and has shown glimpses of enjoying the pressure of late game shooting. 

 

I am confident that Lin can be a championship caliber PG once he has polished and honed his skills.  I think he has a slower learning curve than many other players, but I would venture a guess that he is attempting to "master" this game--not just "get it".  The process will be a bit slower, but the dividends will be greater.  That being said, I think most of us agree that he has shown improvement over the course of this season so maybe that is a good sign...

 

I can't imagine anything but recognition on his own part every time he jumps to pass and ends up turning it over.  He knows it.  He'll learn.  It's not like he has top notch guys cutting into the passing lanes that know how to get open, catch the pass, and finish.  They're learning too.

 

I think we should definitely keep him until his contract is up (barring CP3 coming to town).  I think 2015 Lin will be considerably better than this version--and this version wasn't bad.



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    Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:31 PM

    Not every point guard comes into the league and starts tearing things up--the ones that do tend to have freakish athleticism.

    What would you guys say to a Chauncey Billups comparison? In one regard this would be terrible as it took him until his 5th team to really find himself (Detroit in his 7th year). Still, I can see their play style being similar--not having elite athleticism Billups had to rely on outside shooting to set up the rest of his game. He developed a solid outside game and we all know about his clutch shooting. In the Pistons' two championship seasons he averaged roughly 17 pts, 3 rebs, and 6 assists. Not exactly blowing the roof off the building. Lin has better quickness, is developing that shot and has shown glimpses of enjoying the pressure of late game shooting.

    I am confident that Lin can be a championship caliber PG once he has polished and honed his skills. I think he has a slower learning curve than many other players, but I would venture a guess that he is attempting to "master" this game--not just "get it". The process will be a bit slower, but the dividends will be greater. That being said, I think most of us agree that he has shown improvement over the course of this season so maybe that is a good sign...

    I can't imagine anything but recognition on his own part every time he jumps to pass and ends up turning it over. He knows it. He'll learn. It's not like he has top notch guys cutting into the passing lanes that know how to get open, catch the pass, and finish. They're learning too.

    I think we should definitely keep him until his contract is up (barring CP3 coming to town). I think 2015 Lin will be considerably better than this version--and this version wasn't bad.


    How many current starting PGs are better? Feel free to list your order. I will do the same when I have time.

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      Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:04 PM

      Burke seems a lot like DJ Augustine to me

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        Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:24 PM

        Burke seems a lot like DJ Augustine to me

         I agree, its hit and miss with Burke, I don't even think he was that dominant in the NCAA playoffs.

         

        Not every point guard comes into the league and starts tearing things up--the ones that do tend to have freakish athleticism.

         

        What would you guys say to a Chauncey Billups comparison?  In one regard this would be terrible as it took him until his 5th team to really find himself (Detroit in his 7th year).  Still, I can see their play style being similar--not having elite athleticism Billups had to rely on outside shooting to set up the rest of his game.  He developed a solid outside game and we all know about his clutch shooting.  In the Pistons' two championship seasons he averaged roughly 17 pts, 3 rebs, and 6 assists.  Not exactly blowing the roof off the building.  Lin has better quickness, is developing that shot and has shown glimpses of enjoying the pressure of late game shooting. 

         

        I am confident that Lin can be a championship caliber PG once he has polished and honed his skills.  I think he has a slower learning curve than many other players, but I would venture a guess that he is attempting to "master" this game--not just "get it".  The process will be a bit slower, but the dividends will be greater.  That being said, I think most of us agree that he has shown improvement over the course of this season so maybe that is a good sign...

         

        I can't imagine anything but recognition on his own part every time he jumps to pass and ends up turning it over.  He knows it.  He'll learn.  It's not like he has top notch guys cutting into the passing lanes that know how to get open, catch the pass, and finish.  They're learning too.

         

        I think we should definitely keep him until his contract is up (barring CP3 coming to town).  I think 2015 Lin will be considerably better than this version--and this version wasn't bad.

         

        I do agree with this, Lin basically had his rookie year and if a rookie came out and did what he did and showing improvement during the season on outside shooting, lessening the turnovers, its a good thing. I'm on the fence though, but I agree we need to give him some time. It would be ironic if he somehow develop into a great PG and we released him twice without giving him enough time. Worst case scenario we have a pg who can take us to the playoffs the next 2 years and everybody gets playoff experience and Houston get loads of exposure and $$$



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        Posted 22 April 2013 - 11:51 PM

        The BIGGEST upgrade we need is at HEAD COACH.

        The second biggest upgrade we need is at PF.

        The third need is backup C.

        The fourth biggest need is wing defender.

        The fifth biggest need is point guard.

         

        So why are people harping on Lin. When was the last time a team won a championship led by a TOP PG.

        Lakers = NO

        Heat = NO

        Mavs = NO

        Spurs = (the last one was, the other three are no)

        Pistons = NO

         

        Are we forgetting how overrated a top tier point guard is?


        Why so Serious? :D


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          Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:05 AM

          Is Lin Russel Westbrook? no, is he a good enough pg for the next 2yrs sure. Better to reevaluate when his contract is up.


          Better to sign CP3 and ship Lin out.

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          Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:11 AM

          Better to trade Harden for Lebron. But let's stop talking about impossibilities.


          Why so Serious? :D


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          Posted 23 April 2013 - 12:28 AM

          How many current starting PGs are better? Feel free to list your order. I will do the same when I have time.

           

          This disregards everything I just said.  Still, feel free to post your list.



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            Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:02 AM

            Better to trade Harden for Lebron. But let's stop talking about impossibilities.


            It's not impossible. Improbable yes, but not impossible. Say the Rockets find a way to win this series (after watching last night impossible night be the word) they then play the Clippers next round and beat them. When Morey walks into CP3's house at midnight at the start of FA he says look what we were able to do without you, look at what we will be able to do with you. Yes that is extremely unlikely, but it is a possible outcome.

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              Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:07 AM

              Here are my current PG rankings. I have Lin number 20. That's not good enough.

              1. Paul
              2. Westbrook
              3. Parker
              4. Rondo
              5. Irving
              6. Curry
              7. Holiday
              8. Deron Williams
              9. Lawson
              10. Jennings
              11. Ellis
              12. Lillard
              13. Conley
              14. Teague
              15. Dragic
              16. Hill
              17. Walker
              18. Bledsoe
              19. Vazquez
              20. Lin

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              Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:18 AM

              I think Conley, Hill, and Lin should be several spots higher on that list. 


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                Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:19 AM

                I think Conley, Hill, and Lin should be several spots higher on that list.


                What's your list then?

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                  Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:21 AM

                  Any list that has Westbrook as the number 2 PG looks like its from bleacher report.

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                    Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:23 AM

                    Any list that has Westbrook as the number 2 PG looks like its from bleacher report.


                    Where would you put him?

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                    Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:24 AM

                    In my opinion Lin is at minimum a rotation player the next couple of years here in Houston and probably the starter. I don't mind that he fell flat on his face in Game 1, cut him some slack he is learning and will improve. He will be good enough to help challenge in the Western Conference Finals in a couple years in my opinion. If anyone was under the assumption we could have stole the series than I probably can't really convince you of any of what you believe.

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                      Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:31 AM

                      In my opinion Lin is at minimum a rotation player the next couple of years here in Houston and probably the starter. I don't mind that he fell flat on his face in Game 1, cut him some slack he is learning and will improve. He will be good enough to help challenge in the Western Conference Finals in a couple years in my opinion. If anyone was under the assumption we could have stole the series than I probably can't really convince you of any of what you believe.


                      I'm not talking about just game 1. I'm talking about what we've seen from him all season. I think he's the 20th best PG in the league currently (see my above list).

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                      Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:33 AM

                      Did my point about Lin being 2 years away go unnoticed? :P



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                        Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:42 AM

                        Did my point about Lin being 2 years away go unnoticed? :P


                        I hope that's the case, but he certainly has a long way to go. Right now starting PG is probably our second weakest position (2nd to PF of course).

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                        Posted 23 April 2013 - 01:52 AM

                        Yeah, he needs to develop either a pull up jumper from 8-10' or a floater or both.  Against teams with dominant shot blockers he struggles not having a good plan B



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                        Posted 23 April 2013 - 02:10 AM

                        Of course I saw the list and I believe he did ok this season. He surely didn't perform so poorly that the Rockets need to replace him right now, come on. This team needs another year or two before you start getting rid of rotation players, youngest team and all that stuff.

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