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@  RollingWave : (19 June 2013 - 05:12 AM) so the head band is like a final power seal for Lebron, only open in absolute need
@  BenQueens : (19 June 2013 - 03:51 AM) Ray Allen, why not. This is going to be 5.2 intense seconds of ball.
@  BenQueens : (19 June 2013 - 03:39 AM) Holy crap, that Parker 3.
@  BenQueens : (19 June 2013 - 03:38 AM) Please let there be a game 7, and let this be the margin in the 4Q of 7. Awesome.
@  RollingWave : (19 June 2013 - 03:18 AM) oh my, this is an epic game .. one more run by Duncan should....
@  2016Champions : (17 June 2013 - 05:26 AM) I had a feeling Ginobili would regress to the mean.
@  Dan G : (17 June 2013 - 04:33 AM) Now I had no idea Ginobli was gonna pull a Wade and turn back the clock. I give Pop the majority of the credit for that.
@  Dan G : (17 June 2013 - 04:32 AM) I don't think it was too ballsy on San Antonio's part. With the way Splitter has been playing and since Miami has started Miller the last two games, I thought it was inevitable that Ginobli would start.
@  RollingWave : (17 June 2013 - 02:57 AM) I must say that both team had some serious ballsy lineup changes this series, Ginobilli start? and dominate?
@  2016Champions : (16 June 2013 - 09:26 PM) According to Dr. Klapper, treatment for Parker's hamstring will only last one half. Lateral movement and jumping will be a problem.
@  2016Champions : (16 June 2013 - 04:56 AM) Parker said Pop was very angry with him for the constant nagging insisting he can play, Pop really didn't want Parker to play. Just goes to show Pop knows best.
@  RollingWave : (16 June 2013 - 04:28 AM) Parker says his hamstring is almost shot , that would probably doom the Spurs if he can't play at least 80%
@  2016Champions : (15 June 2013 - 12:38 AM) Miami is 6-0 in playoffs following losses (outscoring opponents by 20.7 PPG in those games). They've won 12 straight games following losses.
@  2016Champions : (14 June 2013 - 04:50 PM) The Heat are notoriously slow starters. Once they get going it's like a snowball effect, they get more dangerous as they go along.
@  2016Champions : (14 June 2013 - 04:49 PM) My heart says SA, but my mind says MIA
@  rocketrick : (14 June 2013 - 11:06 AM) Anybody else going to San Antone for Game 5??
@  RollingWave : (14 June 2013 - 10:15 AM) The Heat is doomed / the Spurs is doom , repeat until game 7
@  2016Champions : (14 June 2013 - 06:28 AM) Now that Wade's knee doesn't seem to be bothering him anymore, Spurs are in trouble.
@  rocketrick : (14 June 2013 - 06:26 AM) Mark Twain once was quoted--Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. Not sure that motivates the Heat but food for thought for whatever that is worth!
@  2016Champions : (14 June 2013 - 04:43 AM) What happened to Parker that second half? Hamstring caught up to him?

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#1 Rahat Huq

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    Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:02 PM

    http://cbafaq.com/blog/

     

    I didn't even know he had a blog.

     

    If we add Howard to this total their team salary would be $62,302,600. So even if Morey clears the team’s roster as much as possible he still won’t be able to offer Howard the max. The largest contract he could offer would start at $16.7 million to $18.2 million.

    I'd read the whole article, but he reiterates what we knew already.  Rockets won't have enough for the "super max" for which Howard is eligible.  If they get him, or Paul, it'll require a discount.



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    Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:08 PM

    Oh well Josh Smith of Millsap is good enough. I see us winning 55+ games with just that much of an upgrade + the natural upgrades that come with young improving players and increased team chemistry. And if I'm wrong I'll re-evaluate my opinion on McHale. 


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    Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:14 PM

    Yeah, I had to edit my prior posts accordingly. CP3 + Howard impossible unless they are, as Rahat mentioned, taking considerable paycuts of like ~$3M each per yr...haha.

     

    More likely, if we were to try to snag a max, it'd be Howard under this scenario:

     

    Trade TRob for a pick; pick up Parsons, GSmith, Bev, Olbrecht or Anderson...leaving us w/ 10 players: Lin, Harden, Asik, Parsons, White, TJones, DMo, GSmith, Bev, Olbrecht. $20.3M max to Howard and we have 11 players. Morey would then either move Asik for two players or kept TRob and moved Asik for a cheaper K, or use an MLE or some other exception to get that 12th player.

     

    If we were to go for CP3 instead, we'd have to move Lin first...I guess to Jazz for picks. I'd actually prefer that as it'd leave us w/ a lot more room for building our bench, and Asik > Lin. We'd get to keep TRob and still have ~$5M left to play with for our 12th player after signing CP3.

     

    Either way, White's $1.7M is really being a pain in the ass haha. 



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    Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:12 AM

    I didn't expect howard to sign with us outright anyway. if we get a max player we can always do a sign and trade to get the last couple of mil it takes to get it done. if howard is coming here we may as well face the fact that asik  or some of our other bigs may not be here. we don't have to match money with the contracts because we are under the cap. the lakers will start with the stance that they are unwilling to do a sign and trade, however after it appears howard will leave with them netting nothing in return their tune will change. so no matter what it all still will come down to what howard wants to do. so the talk of him needing to take a pay cut is unwarranted. same with cp3. this didn't tell me nothing I didn't already know. we have enough flexibility to pretty much do want we want to this summer. so don't believe the hype :P



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    Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:52 AM

    Can we do a S&T w/ LAL? I thought I heard that a team over the luxury tax cannot take in players as part of a S&T, which would rule out the Lakers.

     

    And I wouldn't want to move Asik in a S&T for Howard just cuz; I'd rather keep both and if need be, move Asik for something much more valuable later on haha.



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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:24 AM

      I think Lakers can participate in a S&T as long as they are not receiving the recently signed player.  Think I read that somewhere but couldn't tell you where lol



      #7 2016Champions

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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:26 AM

      I think what phaketrash heard makes more sense.


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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:38 AM

      Confirmed. Teams above the luxury tax line "apron" ($4M over the luxury tax line) cannot receive a player in a sign & trade, starting the 2013-2014 season.

       

      http://www.cbafaq.co...larycap.htm#Q23

       

      So that rules a S&T w/ LAL out.



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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:45 AM

      Hmm it said can't receive a player, but it doesn't say can't receive a draft pick. What if we did a 3-way trade where we send a player elsewhere, and a draft pick to LA?


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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:00 AM

      Confirmed. Teams above the luxury tax line "apron" ($4M over the luxury tax line) cannot receive a player in a sign & trade, starting the 2013-2014 season.

       

      http://www.cbafaq.co...larycap.htm#Q23

       

      So that rules a S&T w/ LAL out.

      read the the 4th and 5th points on question 89. as long as the lakers have not used their mid level exception and are not receiving the newly signed player they can do a sign and trade as long as it leaves them following the trade under 4 mil above the tax line........without howards salary the lakers will drop within this range with only minor adjustments. also read the final 2 points.........so yes the lakers can do a sign and trade 



      #11 2016Champions

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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:18 AM

      We should probably get it out of our head though, it's so unlikely.


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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:20 AM

      read the the 4th and 5th points on question 89. as long as the lakers have not used their mid level exception and are not receiving the newly signed player they can do a sign and trade as long as it leaves them following the trade under 4 mil above the tax line........without howards salary the lakers will drop within this range with only minor adjustments. also read the final 2 points.........so yes the lakers can do a sign and trade 

       

      I was working under the assumption that they would end up over the apron AFTER we moved the player to them in a S&T almost no matter what. Would who we move even matter? If it's Lin, they'd go over the apron. If it's TRob, would they not? Even assuming they don't pick up a lot of the options?

       

      I'm not sure what these minor adjustments would be for them to be below ~$74M. Sites seem to be differing on the specific numbers exactly, but it looks like they have about $64M guaranteed money (lowest figure I saw). If they pick up Artest, that'd put them at $74M already. That is, btw, just 6 players. Any player that is added would put them over the apron. 

       

      Looking at it that way, I'd imagine they'd almost have to be over the apron even BEFORE the S&T, just to hit the 12 player roster.



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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:24 AM

      We should probably get it out of our head though, it's incredibly unlikely he will leave Hollywood for Texas. 

      I wouldn't be so sure about that..........he clearly is at odds with both kobe and nash. doesn't like the style the coach is implementing. and has said all along he wants to explore FA. nothing is set in stone, but with all that going on I bet the FO of the lakers are a little antsy right now.



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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:32 AM

      I was working under the assumption that they would end up over the apron AFTER we moved the player to them in a S&T. I guess this depends on who we're moving. If it's Lin, they'd go over the apron. If it's TRob, they wouldn't (assuming they don't pick up a lot of the options, but that'd also leave them w/ like 6-7 players only lol).

       

      I'm not sure what these minor adjustments would be for them to be below ~$74M. Sites seem to be differing on the specific numbers, but it looks like they have about $64M guaranteed money. If they pick up Artest, that'd put them at $74M already. That is, btw, just 6 players. Any player that is added would put them over the apron. 

      LA has 50 mil tied up in 2 players.....kobe and gasol and another 10 on ron artest(metta world peace....yeah right :lol: didn't look to peaceful in the palace).....so their going to be in trouble no matter what.



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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:38 AM

      I wouldn't be so sure about that..........he clearly is at odds with both kobe and nash. doesn't like the style the coach is implementing. and has said all along he wants to explore FA. nothing is set in stone, but with all that going on I bet the FO of the lakers are a little antsy right now.

       

      I just don't see it. He doesn't like the pace the coach wants them to play at, but our pace is even faster. On top of that he's Josh Smith's best friend, he was Josh Smith's best man at his wedding. If Dwight does go anywhere Atlanta seems alot more likely. 


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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:48 AM

      I just don't see it. He doesn't like the pace the coach wants them to play at, but our pace is even faster. On top of that he's Josh Smith's best friend, he was Josh Smith's best man at his wedding. If Dwight does go anywhere Atlanta seems alot more likely. 

      I don't think he has a problem with the pace the coach wants them to play. he has a problem with not getting his touches and to some extent I agree with him. the #1 center in the league should not have to be begging for the ball, yet he goes some games with very few touches. any star player in most cases will start to whine if they don't feel they are getting their touches. I think that's more of a factor than the pace of the game to him.



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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:53 AM

      I just don't see it. He doesn't like the pace the coach wants them to play at, but our pace is even faster. On top of that he's Josh Smith's best friend, he was Josh Smith's best man at his wedding. If Dwight does go anywhere Atlanta seems alot more likely. 

      the hawks can't sign him without renouncing the rights to j-smith unless they do a sign and trade. however bringing in howard and keeping j-smith would put the hawks so deep in luxury tax land that they would have to win the championship just to break even.



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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:57 AM

      They will probably move Al Horford. 


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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:58 AM

      if they do the rockets better be standing in the front of the line



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      Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:06 AM

      edit: nm, I think I was wrong -- LAL can do a S&T where they move Howard to us for players, I believe.






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