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@  matt2215 : (30 March 2013 - 03:05 AM) agreed, mchale sucks
@  timetodienow... : (30 March 2013 - 03:04 AM) The Rocket I like the most is Parsons. The Rocket I dislike the most is Mchale. What about you guys?
@  timetodienow... : (30 March 2013 - 02:51 AM) "Hey guys. First time being here? Let me show you around. That's where Delfino sits. That's where Anderson sits. That's where Beverley sits. And here's where I sit. Make yourselves at home."

- Lin welcoming Harden and Parsons to his NBA home
@  timetodienow... : (30 March 2013 - 02:51 AM) Here's a comment I stole from ESPN boards.
@  matt2215 : (30 March 2013 - 02:48 AM) I agree, I hope we get rid of Delfino, and get a better free agent.
@  pharmag : (30 March 2013 - 02:44 AM) I think T-Rob is better served off the bench now.  I think he complements Smith better than DMo would.  My only complaint against the rotations is Delfino at the 4, but I understand its an experience thing.
@  matt2215 : (30 March 2013 - 02:42 AM) I hope T-Rob does not lose his confidence after his bad scoring tonight. At least he got 6 rebounds, and i still think that he should start.
@  pharmag : (30 March 2013 - 02:41 AM) Its a good call.  Early in the season, maybe not so much.  With the Clippers tomorrow, and a 2.5-3.5 (depends on what Utah does) game lead on 9th with plenty of winnable games left, throwing the towel on this one to spare your players makes sense.
@  timetodienow... : (30 March 2013 - 02:30 AM) We'll see 2016. I'm not sure this is a positive thing.
@  2016Champions : (30 March 2013 - 02:26 AM) If Popovich does it he's a genius, if Mchale does it he's an idiot. Come on.
@  pharmag : (30 March 2013 - 02:26 AM) Just went and looked at ESPN convo board...big mistake.  Everyone is ripping McHale for not running his starters into the ground to try and win a quarter by 15 against one of the best defensive teams in the league...
@  2016Champions : (30 March 2013 - 02:26 AM) wow you guys are overreacting. we have another game tomorrow, resting your starters in this situation is what smart coaches do.
@  thenit : (30 March 2013 - 02:23 AM) what a waste going to watch the tourney instead
@  thenit : (30 March 2013 - 02:22 AM) its tough to win a quarter by 15
@  timetodienow... : (30 March 2013 - 02:22 AM) If the team responds to being benched in a positive light, Mchale keeps his job. If they fail to respond or respond negatively, Mchale just lost his job.
@  thenit : (30 March 2013 - 02:22 AM) I still don't think so
@  xsamc1 : (30 March 2013 - 02:22 AM) Asik had a cold
@  xsamc1 : (30 March 2013 - 02:21 AM) If he let Parsons and DMo play, I bet they could have come back
@  thenit : (30 March 2013 - 02:20 AM) Parsons is the only starter that was ok
@  thenit : (30 March 2013 - 02:20 AM) DMo played well offensively but not defensively

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#1 Rahat Huq

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    Posted 28 March 2013 - 11:42 AM

    Been thinking about this lately.

     

    Rules: You can't pick anyone on the Heat, you can only have one top 5 player, and 2 other All-Stars outside the top 5.  The other 2 guys have to be role players.

     

    For purposes of this, Top 5 guys are: Kobe, Paul, Dwight, Durant, and Harden.  

     

    This is what I came up with - 

     

    PG Chris Paul

    SG Paul George

    SF  Tony Allen

    PF  Ryan Anderson

    C    Cousins

     

    I knew I wanted to build around Chris Paul - that was a given.  It's my belief that outside of Lebron, he's the best player in the league.  If I have him, I feel comfortable going toe to toe with Lebron in the 4th quarter.  Anyone else, like Kobe or Harden might take bad hero-ball shots.  Paul won't.  Dwight can't hit FT's so I don't want to waste my top 5 guy on him.

     

    My All-Stars are Cousins and Paul George.  Cousins has never been an All-Star but you understand what I mean, just to make this fair so the teams aren't loaded with unrealistic talent.  I picked Cousins because I wanted to have the best low post threat I could think of on my team.  I want to punish them for trying to go small.  I wavered between Cousins, Bynum, and Marc Gasol but eventually settled on Cousins.  I think Gasol is great but doesn't have the potential of Cousins to put up a monster game.  And if I already have Paul on my team, I think I can get the most out of Cousins.  Paul will spoon feed Cousins in ways that the Heat won't have a chance against.

     

    I picked Paul George and Tony Allen at the wings obviously to defend Wade and 'Bron.  George will hit 3's as well.  I kind of hesitated here though because this leaves me with only CP3 as a guy who can create off the dribble as neither George nor Allen can.  But then I decided, I'm just going to run my offense all game through Paul and Cousins and take my chances.  I'd rather have the defense then risk getting torched.  

     

    Finally, I took Ryan Anderson as my power forward.  I needed a stretch 4.  They are going to play small and since I already used up my All-Stars, I'm not going to try to punish them but rather adapt.  Anderson will give me 3's and rebounding.  

     

    My other option was to stack up two dominant low post scorers at pf and c to punish Miami for going small but in this day and age, no one is THAT dominant, so I'd rather construct my team the way I did.



    #2 Steven

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      Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:42 PM

      PG - Stephen Curry (non all-star)
      SG - Paul George (all-star)
      SF - Kevin Durant (top 5)
      PF - Loul Deng (all-star)
      C - Nikola Vucevic (non all-star) (averaging 20 and 25 against the heat this year)

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        Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:38 PM

        Dwight (can't hit FTs, but bosh/Anderson can't defend him to save their lives and can put hard fouls on wade and lebron which is what the bulls do to rattle them a bit)
        LMA (nice midrange game able to move around with bosh to allow Dwight to stay in the paint)
        Deng (slow lebron down has become a solid shooter/slasher)
        Bradley (slow down wade)
        Westbrook

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        Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:24 PM

        PG - Steph Curry (all-star player)

        SG - Lance Stephenson

        SF - Kevin Durant (top 5)

        PF - Zach Randolph (all-star player)

        C - Asik

         

        Lots and lots of offense there.  Stephenson can defend the wing, Z-Bo and Asik can hold down the paint.  Durant is a good help defender.  I'd pay to watch this match-up.  One note, I'd play z-bo on bosh and asik on Haslem--takes away their strengths on offense.



        #5 Rahat Huq

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          Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:25 PM

          You guys are cheating.  Deng made the All-Star team.  



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            Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:59 PM

            But Curry hasn't.

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              Posted 28 March 2013 - 04:19 PM

              Whoops forgot Deng made the all star team, I'll take iggy then.

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              Posted 28 March 2013 - 06:49 PM

              Marc Gasol

              Kevin Durant

              Kawhi Leonard

              Avery Bradley

              Stephen Curry

               

               

              Heat are poor at defending the three, and with Marc Gasol inside I don't see how the Heat can match up against this team. Also, Kawhi and Bradley are the two of the best perimeter defenders in the league capable of slowing down Lebron and Wade. 


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              Posted 28 March 2013 - 06:50 PM

              Whoops forgot Deng made the all star team, I'll take iggy then.

               

              Iguodala has made the All Star Game too ;).

               

               

               

              Here's my selection:

               

              PG: Jrue Holiday
              SG: Kawhi Leonard
              SF: Paul George
              PF: Kevin Durant
              C: Anderson Varejao

              I decided to build my team around Durant. I think if you try to only counter the Heat's strengths you will still lose as you don't have any of your own. Durant provides a point of strength that you can build around, and defensively he's at least neutral. For all that he plays SF a lot, I think his best position is PF as part of a stretch lineup. The Heat don't really have a big physical PF who can push him around, so he should be able to hold his own defensively. Ideally you'd avoid him having to guard LeBron for long stretches by cross-matching - he can more than hold his own against Battier.

              For All-Stars, I picked Jrue Holiday and Paul George. As we saw last night, George is a two way monster. He's excellent defensively, but provides more than enough offense to be useful at that end. I think he'll stand as good a chance as anyone of slowing down LeBron, but you can pretty much put him on anyone and he'll do a good job. I would also have considered Iguodala here for similar reasons, but his lack of a three point shot cost him in the end.

              Jrue Holiday is at first glance a controversial choice, but bear with me. He's a very good defender for the PG position, and potentially has enough size to slide over and cover Wade if the Heat go for a no-PG line like they sometimes do. In addition, he's excellent off the dribble and has a good enough outside shot (37% this year) that he has to be respected from there. There were several other PGs I was considering (Curry, Rondo, Westbrook, Parker), but in the end I felt like Holiday's well-rounded game was probably best suited for the task at hand. Neither George nor Holiday have any significant exploitable weaknesses, and both will be able to help slow down the vicious Heat attack defensively.

              When healthy, Varejao is a great defensive player. What sets him apart from Hibbert, Asik and the like is that he is mobile enough to stay with Bosh when he moves out to the perimeter. Plus, as we saw earlier this year he's surprisingly competent on the boards and has been able to add a little bit of offense.

              Kawhi Leonard fits all of the categories I need from my remaining choice. He's an excellent defender with a great wingspan who should be able to keep Wade in front of him. But he's also got enough of an offensive arsenal (38% from three this season, plus he's a pretty good slasher) that prevents defences from ignoring him. I was tempted to pick someone with more offensive punch (eg. a JJ Redick type), but I reckon when you've got Durant on your team offence is less urgent than a solid defence.

               

               

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                Posted 28 March 2013 - 06:50 PM

                Vucevic
                Kevin Durant
                Kawhi Leonard
                Avery Bradley
                Stephen Curry


                Heat are poor at defending the three, and with Vucevic inside I don't see how they can match up against this team.


                Why only one all-star?

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                Posted 28 March 2013 - 06:58 PM

                Why only one all-star?

                 

                I see Curry as an all-star caliber player who simply didn't make it due to injury. For my third all-star replace Vucevic with Marc Gasol even though I think Vucevic is a great choice too. 


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                  Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:15 PM

                  Ideally, what I would do is have my top two talents at the center and power forward, have my other All-Star at point guard, and then two defensive specialist three point shooting wings.  That would counter the Heat's weakness and expose them rather than trying to match up against them.  The problem is that, obviously, there are no good big men in today's game.  Even if you stack up with the game's two top interior threats, they won't be enough of an advantage to overcome Lebron.

                   

                  For instance, if this was the 90's, I'd do something like:

                   

                  C Hakeem

                  PF old school Larry Johnson

                  SF Derrick McKey

                  SG Mario Elie

                  PG Kevin Johnson

                   

                  I'd destroy them all day inside with Hakeem and LJ (if his back is feeling well) and KJ will do his thing as well.  You can't get that today.



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                  Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:39 PM

                  You make it sound way too hard to stop the Heat. I think even today's Spurs would beat the Heat in a 7 game series. Before anyone reminds me that the Spurs couldn't beat the Thunder last year, despite the fact their personnel hasn't changed, this is not the same Spurs team. 


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                    Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:24 PM

                    Parker - you need an elite penetrator who can shoot to break down the Heat defense, plus does he come with Popovich?

                    Green - mobile smart defender that can knock down 3's

                    George - closest thing the league has to a LeBron stopper

                    Faried - will wreak havoc, test the Heat's transition D and chase down some blocks

                    Chandler - incredibly efficient, great help defender

                     

                    Bench (guys who currently don't start):

                    N Collison

                    Bledsoe

                    J Butler



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                      Posted 28 March 2013 - 09:47 PM

                      PG-Chris Paul(top 5 guy)

                      SG-Klay Thompson(non all-star)

                      SF-Kenneth Faried(non all star)

                      PF-LaMarcus Aldridge(all-star)

                      C- Tyson Chandler(all-star)

                       

                      It's hard not to choose Durant as my top 5 guy, but as far as building a team for the goal of solely stopping the Heat I think CP3 is the better choice.


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                      Posted 29 March 2013 - 08:34 AM

                      PG=chris paul

                      SG=paul george

                      SF=nicolus batum

                      PF=lamarcus alridge

                      C =demarcus cousins

                      I agree with those who think you shouldn't try to match up with them. best thing to do is attack them in their weakest spots(PG&C). chris paul will have a field day picking them apart offensively. aldridge will keep the floor spread while cousin works in the paint. george and batum will feed from the double team cousin will command. paul george holds lebron and batum holds wade defensively.....aldridge will slow bosh while he and cousin gobble up the boards



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                        Posted 29 March 2013 - 10:35 AM

                        Paul , George, Gasol (Marc), Durant, Z-bo

                         

                        it seems to be a pretty high degree of agreement on mosto f those guys. get George to defend Lebron and try to pack as much awesome bruisers down low .



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                        Posted 29 March 2013 - 11:27 AM

                        PG = TP
                        SG = Klay
                        SF = Kawhi
                        PF LA
                        C = Dwight

                        Assuming they are all healthy, this team would beat the heat.

                        Why so Serious? :D


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                        Posted 29 March 2013 - 03:20 PM

                        I might still go with Duncan over LA because of defense.

                        Why so Serious? :D


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                        Posted 29 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

                        If defense is what you're looking for why not go with Garnett? 


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