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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:48 PM
You've got to be kidding me, the max is overpaying for Josh Smith. Let the other GM's be retards, just sign David West and Redick for 4yrs/48m each.
That's massively overpaying for Redick. He's worth around 8 mil a year, not 12. And while West could command that much, I don't think he's worth it.
Why so Serious? 
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:48 PM
I've always liked West, but I don't think he fits our system as well as Smith does. The thing Smith does so well is drive and finish or pass to an open player...as our motion offense develops that will be huge. Sometimes, when our offense bogs down it is because only one player on the court is able to effectively drive and finish or dish...the defense is able to stifle that initial attack and then we end up jacking up bad shots.
When we have 3+ guys on the court all with the ability to drive the defense almost always ends up out of position and we get a good look or a foul. J.Smith excels at all of this except for foul shoooting. His 3 pt.% for the season is 32.7...not great, but passable. I take into consideration that he takes a lot of bad 3's the same way he takes bad 2's....I think in the Rocket's system he would see more open looks from 3 and his % would improve. He is highly effective shooting 3's from the right wing....a spot the Rockets tend to not do so well from if memory serves. He can fill that gap for us and solidify our spacing.
Interesting insight. It's very strange that JSmooth shoots better from the wings than he does from the corners.
Still, there's alot of talk that JSmooth will get the max and I think that's overpaying for him.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:49 PM
You've got to be kidding me, the max is overpaying for Josh Smith. Let the other GM's be retards, just sign David West and Redick for 4yrs/48m each.
Does that team spell contender to you? It doesn't really to me, and I don't think we have enough cap space to do both either, tbh. Might as well swing for $48M/4 yr JSmith and $32M/4 yr Redick then. You can replace Smith with West if you want, but that seems like a less moveable asset to me. We can debate whether Smith would agree to $12M the same as how we could debate whether West agrees to $8M. It's just if it is available. I'd prefer renting Smith for a yr at whatever price, tbh. Upgrading Delfino then is not out of the question either.
And I'm still miffed that you claimed I missed some post where you said you suggested we sign West to $8M for 4 yrs then trade him 2 yrs in...your first comment on West ambiguously hinted at 4 yrs, but that's as close as it gets, with no mention of a later trade, much less the difficulty in doing so.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:53 PM
My mistake with the numbers guys, 12m each is a little steep. We can probably get Redick for 8, and West for 10. I'm very high on West so I think that's a great price for him.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 10:59 PM
(IMO) the only players we should be chasing at years end is cp3 and howard. anything short of those 2 and we should wait until the next summer to chase FA's and just rent our cap space until then. none of the other options say contender to me, even though they would win us more games
you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own 
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:01 PM
Does that team spell contender to you? It doesn't really to me, and I don't think we have enough cap space to do both either, tbh. Might as well swing for $48M/4 yr JSmith and $32M/4 yr Redick then. You can replace Smith with West if you want, but that seems like a less moveable asset to me. We can debate whether Smith would agree to $12M the same as how we could debate whether West agrees to $8M. It's just if it is available. I'd prefer renting Smith for a yr at whatever price, tbh. Upgrading Delfino then is not out of the question either.
And I'm still miffed that you claimed I missed some post where you said you suggested we sign West to $8M for 4 yrs then trade him 2 yrs in...your first comment on West ambiguously hinted at 4 yrs, but that's as close as it gets, with no mention of a later trade, much less the difficulty in doing so.
If we do West for 10 or 11, and Redick for 8, that should work cap wise. And assuming all our young talents are significantly better players next year, I honestly do see us to be dark horse contenders at the very least.
I was hoping you would forget about the 8m 4yrs then trade him in 2 yrs thing, it seems that I either said all that on another thread or simply thought it without saying it. Sorry about that.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:01 PM
(IMO) the only players we should be chasing at years end is cp3 and howard. anything short of those 2 and we should wait until the next summer to chase FA's and just rent our cap space until then. none of the other options say contender to me, even though they would win us more games
Overall, I agree. I have varying degrees of interest in 1 yr rentals, and certain longer term deals would not greatly sadden me -- depending on how they are structured and with who.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:02 PM
(IMO) the only players we should be chasing at years end is cp3 and howard. anything short of those 2 and we should wait until the next summer to chase FA's and just rent our cap space until then. none of the other options say contender to me, even though they would win us more games
According to this: http://hoopshype.com...ies/houston.htm
Waiting a year isn't an option, we either use it or lose it.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:04 PM
If we do West for 10 or 11, and Redick for 8, that should work cap wise. And assuming all our young talents are significantly better players next year, I honestly do see us to be dark horse contenders at the very least.
I was hoping you would forget about the 8m 4yrs then trade him in 2 yrs thing, it seems that I either said all that on another thread or simply thought it without saying it. Sorry about that.
Okay. I think that would make us dark horse contenders, though so would a Smith/Redick signing, assuming Smith does not take the max (an assumption). West/Redick would probably give us a 2 yr window before a retool, which is great since that is when Lin and Asik and Parsons' deals end ==> who knows what would happen then. My only concern, again, is the moveability of a West contract at that point. 35 yr old w/ $20M left is not always the best asset to have, esp. in terms of what you might get back for him.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:06 PM
According to this: http://hoopshype.com...ies/houston.htm
Waiting a year isn't an option, we either use it or lose it.
That site is a bit off. While Les physically pays Asik and Lin $15M each in yr 3, they only count as $8M against the cap due to CBA rules. I do agree with the premise that we are wasting an asset by letting salary cap space sit there for a whole yr, but rentals or the like would hopefully mitigate that concern. And we certainly will be in a completely different world come 2015/16.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:06 PM
as for as lin and asik they will make 15 mil in 14-15 but it only counts against the cap as 8mil so we do still have room to wait
you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own
glad you're on board, but I been on this boat since it left
Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:08 PM
That site is a bit off. While Les physically pays Asik and Lin $15M each in yr 3, they only count as $8M against the cap due to CBA rules. I do agree with the premise that we are wasting an asset by letting salary cap space sit there for a whole yr, but rentals or the like would hopefully mitigate that concern. And we certainly will be in a completely different world come 2015/16.
you beat me to the punch on that one 
you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:15 PM
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:54 PM
EVERYTHING I've read about josh smith says that he wants a MAX deal. Why would he accept a 1 year deal???
I will find sources, and the "why" is summed up by Johnny below.
blakecouey:
I don't think j-smith will accept a 1 year offer either. there will just be to many other teams tossing money and more years at him. (IMO) the only way to get either of these players j-smith or bynum is to go long term and that's unwise (IMO)
I don't know if he would accept it, but I do believe it is a possibility, and may even be his best option. I don't think there is a chance at Bynum for a short term deal, as he and his agent can see his injury proneness is a problem. He can surely cash in now, and there is no way he risks a career ending injury during a one year deal. I was only answering based on the question asked. I agree that long term deals are not in our best interest for either Smith or Bynum, although I won't be surprised if we get Smith anyways.
This has been covered in better detail before, but the short of it is if he waits 1 year he qualifies for a larger max contract....so basically, we could get J.Smith auditioning for his max money the following year....which is a good thing.
And this is what I have read/discussed as well. I agree that getting him in a contract year is huge as well, as he will likely play to his full potential(or try at least). If we didn't retain him, we could sign and trade after the season as well, gaining more assets, which Morey would certainly be all over.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:15 AM
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:25 AM
Why so Serious?
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:46 AM
Is Josh Smith an upgrade over the players that are currently on the roster? Yes. Is he an upgrade worth destroying cap space? IMHO, NO!!!!!! The Rockets have an athletic 6'9" stretch 4 lefty, Terrance Jones. In all honesty, if the Rockets can't get CP3 or D12, they should just take the same roster into next season. Let the young kids grow a year and reassess. Maybe a K-Love comes onto the market.
If we wait a year the best FAs will be Pau Gasol and Iguodala. I don't think either of those guys are much better than Josh Smith (assuming Pau has lost his big boy pants for good), but if we really want one of them we can sign Josh Smith and trade him before the next FA. That way we get more assets without losing anything.
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:48 AM
Why so Serious?
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:58 AM
One of the James/wade/bosh trio will opt out. I think it will be James. He's chasing rings and we will be an attractive destination.
we have 0% chance of getting lebron. if he leaves it will be to return to cleveland.
you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own
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Posted 11 March 2013 - 01:59 AM
One of the James/wade/bosh trio will opt out. I think it will be James. He's chasing rings and we will be an attractive destination.
That would be a dream come true, but I think Miami trades Bosh for someone who can actually rebound and protect the paint. After Lebron sees how much better the Heat are after that happens he will want to stay.
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