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[phaketrash]

I had a feeling you would say that, but I was hoping you realized how often McHale plays either Parsons or Delfino at the 4.

 

And who at the 3? lol JSmoove just gives him another option. I mean, if McHale then chooses not to utilize it, that sounds like a coaching decision rather than a personnel one. Also, he does that now with his current team because he would rather go small since he has few defensive players he could trust. Smith changes that. If he still wants to run with Delfino and Parsons for some period of time off the bench, Smith hardly stops him from doing that.

[Mason Khamvilay]

Who do we have right now in the corner that shoots the 3 better than JSmoove? We already traded away 2Pat, and Smith has a higher 3P% than DMo does, so Lin/Harden/Parsons/Smith/Asik would not make our floor spacing worse, technically, if JSmoove spends some time in the corner.

 

Even if it did decrease our offensive output a bit, I think that is worth it for the raise in our defense. If we say, drop a tad in offense but gain twice as much in defense, wouldn't that be worth it?

I had a feeling you would say that, but I was hoping you realized how often McHale plays either Parsons or Delfino at the 4.

 

Also, I think you underestimate how well David West plays defense. Josh Smith might be the better defender, but according to 82games.com it's not by much. From what I've seen, Josh Smith is a better off-the-ball defender while West is a better on-the-ball defender.

[Mason Khamvilay]

And who at the 3? lol JSmoove just gives him another option. I mean, if McHale then chooses not to utilize it, that sounds like a coaching decision rather than a personnel one. Also, he does that now with his current team because he would rather go small since he has few defensive players he could trust. Smith changes that. If he still wants to run with Delfino and Parsons for some period of time off the bench, Smith hardly stops him from doing that.

T-Rob has already shown that he's one of the best defenders we have at the 4 if not the best, so your notion that he's going with Delfino at the 4 for defense is void if not ridiculous.

[phaketrash]

T-Rob has already shown that he's one of the best defenders we have at the 4 if not the best, so your notion that he's going with Delfino at the 4 for defense is void if not ridiculous.

 

? I don't think he goes Delfino for his defense. I think he does it when he wants to go small ball and run up the offense/points. But it doesn't really matter why he chooses Delfino at the 4. Point is, I don't know why adding JSmoove would somehow take away that choice? It'd just be adding someone else to his bag of tools. If he doesn't utilize him, that's McHale's choice, no? 

[phaketrash]

I had a feeling you would say that, but I was hoping you realized how often McHale plays either Parsons or Delfino at the 4.

 

Also, I think you underestimate how well David West plays defense. Josh Smith might be the better defender, but according to 82games.com it's not by much. From what I've seen, Josh Smith is a better off-the-ball defender while West is a better on-the-ball defender.

 

Wait, I'm not sure how saying West being slightly worse or just as good as Smith on defense negates my other comments. He's still 32/33, can't shoot the 3, and thus would not fit into Morey's philosophy.

 

And I still don't know if you guys are talking multiyr deal or 1 yr deal! lol

[rockets best fan]

phaketrash:

my thinking as for as west goes is he is a less expensive option to j-smith without the attitude. I am for standing pat at the PF position. we have enough high talent there to wait for it to pan out. especially since our money could be better spent at other positions.

[Cooper]

Saying Jsmoove will spend the offseason working on threes and all the sudden he'll be amazing at it is kinda silly I mean he's been in the league for 9years or so, he just doesn't have a great jumpshot and settles for terrible long fadeaway 2s all the time that's not going to change now. Smoove would/should play the 4spot so parsons could be at the 3.

[Mason Khamvilay]

Wait, I'm not sure how saying West being slightly worse or just as good as Smith on defense negates my other comments. He's still 32/33, can't shoot the 3, and thus would not fit into Morey's philosophy.

 

And I still don't know if you guys are talking multiyr deal or 1 yr deal! lol

 

That's not what negated your comments. You said JSmooth gives us the same spacing we've been getting, and I pointed out that Delfino and Parsons have been playing the 4 alot too which makes your comment untrue.

 

As for your comment that West can't shoot the 3.

JSmooth shoots 30% from 16-23 feet, and West shoots 47%. Call me crazy but I have a feeling that if we asked West to spot up in the corner, he's going to shoot it there alot better than JSmooth does. Personally though, I'd rather West run pick and pops with Harden at the top of the key the same way Lebron does with Bosh.

 

As for your comment that West is 32.

32 is not that old for a player who doesn't rely on athleticm and can shoot.

 

As for how long we should sign West for, you clearly don't read, I suggested we sign West to a 4 year deal and trade him 2 years into the contract when D-Mo/T-Rob/Jones are more developed and ready.

[phaketrash]

That's not what negated your comments. You said JSmooth gives us the same spacing we've been getting, and I pointed out that Delfino and Parsons have been playing the 4 alot too which makes your comment untrue.

 

As for your comment that West can't shoot the 3.

JSmooth shoots 30% from 16-23 feet, and West shoots 47%. Call me crazy but I have a feeling that if we asked West to spot up in the corner, he's going to shoot it there alot better than JSmooth does. Personally though, I'd rather West run pick and pops with Harden at the top of the key the same way Lebron does with Bosh.

 

As for your comment that West is 32.

32 is not that old for a player who doesn't rely on athleticm and can shoot.

 

As for how long we should sign West for, you clearly don't read, I suggested we sign West to a 4 year deal and trade him 2 years into the contract when D-Mo/T-Rob/Jones are more developed and ready.

 

I said JSmoove would get us the same spacing DMo gets for us right now (maybe even a tad better). Sure, McHale runs Parsons/Delfino a lot, but that isn't what he starts with and not what he should end with (remember that Washington debacle?). Delfino can defend the 4 for very limited minutes -- he himself admitted to that -- and gets tired quickly doing so. Having JSmith as an option for McHale is a good option to have, because, once again, even if our offense dips a bit, I'd rather that be more than made up in defense. Note that when we had 2Pat, we considered that good spacing too. JSmoove isn't unbelievably worse than 2Pat at the corner 3 where the defense would ignore him. He brings other things to the offensive table as well that shouldn't be ignored.

 

So I'm a bit skeptical about West being a lot better than JSmoove in the corner 3. I'd imagine he'd have a better 3pt% than his consistently low 20's over his career. I'm about as skeptical of that as thinking a summer of JSmoove practicing 3's will make him significantly better at it. Both seem just as plausible to me (or equally implausible, depending). 

 

33 by the time we sign him is pretty old...esp. on a 4 yr deal. I can't imagine Morey agreeing to sign West and pay him $8M when he's 37. Trading a 35 yr old with $16M on his contract is not that easy to do, or certainly not value-creating or efficient, as I imagine Morey would prefer. And sorry, I must clearly be inept at reading -- I could not find the comment in this thread where you said we should sign West to a 4 yr deal and trade him 2 yrs in.

[thejohnnygold]

I've always liked West, but I don't think he fits our system as well as Smith does.  The thing Smith does so well is drive and finish or pass to an open player...as our motion offense develops that will be huge.  Sometimes, when our offense bogs down it is because only one player on the court is able to effectively drive and finish or dish...the defense is able to stifle that initial attack and then we end up jacking up bad shots.

 

When we have 3+ guys on the court all with the ability to drive the defense almost always ends up out of position and we get a good look or a foul.  J.Smith excels at all of this except for foul shoooting.  His 3 pt.% for the season is 32.7...not great, but passable.  I take into consideration that he takes a lot of bad 3's the same way he takes bad 2's....I think in the Rocket's system he would see more open looks from 3 and his % would improve.  He is highly effective shooting 3's from the right wing....a spot the Rockets tend to not do so well from if memory serves.  He can fill that gap for us and solidify our spacing.

[rockets best fan]

while in this thread let me address the bynum thought also. bynum is only about 25, but his knees are on social security  I would sign him only as a last resort. of all possible moves we could make this is the worst. its bad enough to have a diva, but a diva on the injury list most of the time is a bad investment. howard is still the best option for this team's second star. yes he's a crybaby.....yes he's a diva, but still the top center in the league when healthy. even in a down year for him he still leads the league in rebounding and is scoring 15-16 points a game. I like both j-smith and west, but I don't think we need a PF. howard means contender status next year and the others not so (IMO)

[phaketrash]

while in this thread let me address the bynum thought also. bynum is only about 25, but his knees are on social security  I would sign him only as a last resort. of all possible moves we could make this is the worst. its bad enough to have a diva, but a diva on the injury list most of the time is a bad investment. howard is still the best option for this team's second star. yes he's a crybaby.....yes he's a diva, but still the top center in the league when healthy. even in a down year for him he still leads the league in rebounding and is scoring 15-16 points a game. I like both j-smith and west, but I don't think we need a PF. howard means contender status next year and the others not so (IMO)

 

For realz. But would you sign Bynum to a 1 yr deal if we struck out on Dwight? Assuming he clears the physical, so meaning he's up to snuff to play next season, but no guarantees on if he goes down or not (I too am scared of his ailing knees). But again, a 1 yr rental?

[rockets best fan]

For realz. But would you sign Bynum to a 1 yr deal if we struck out on Dwight? Assuming he clears the physical, so meaning he's up to snuff to play next season, but no guarantees on if he goes down or not (I too am scared of his ailing knees). But again, a 1 yr rental?

NO....bynum may be healthy for short streches, but the long term prognosis on he knees is scary. you can't score or rebound from the training table. that's where bynum will spend most of the remainder of his career. besides I doubt bynum will settle for a 1 year rental when other teams will be tossing buckets of money and a long term deal at him

[blakecouey]

For realz. But would you sign Bynum to a 1 yr deal if we struck out on Dwight? Assuming he clears the physical, so meaning he's up to snuff to play next season, but no guarantees on if he goes down or not (I too am scared of his ailing knees). But again, a 1 yr rental?

 

I would absolutely give Bynum a 1 year contract(although I don't think he'd accept).  I would keep Asik though, where I'd trade him if we acquired Dwight.  Due to the ability Asik has shown this year I would have to believe Bynum has dropped on Morey's want-list significantly.  There is no reason to give Bynum a long term big contract when he has consistently shown he can't stay healthy long enough to use his talents, but undoubtedly there will be several teams throwing big money at him.  Cap room has never won a game, if we lose out on Dwight, Josh Smith, and CP3 we should use the cap room on a short contract to a guy that can certainly play with the best when hes on court.  I would also think giving Josh Smith a 1 year deal is the better choice over a long contract, giving us flexibility in the future(I believe JS is more likely to go with a single year deal than Bynum also).  

[timetodienow1234567]

EVERYTHING I've read about josh smith says that he wants a MAX deal. Why would he accept a 1 year deal???

[rockets best fan]

blakecouey:

I don't think j-smith will accept a 1 year offer either. there will just be to many other teams tossing money and more years at him. (IMO) the only way to get either of these players j-smith or bynum is to go long term and that's unwise (IMO)

[thejohnnygold]

This has been covered in better detail before, but the short of it is if he waits 1 year he qualifies for a larger max contract....so basically, we could get J.Smith auditioning for his max money the following year....which is a good thing.

[Mason Khamvilay]

You've got to be kidding me, the max is overpaying for Josh Smith. Let the other GM's be retards, just sign David West and Redick for 4yrs/32m each.

[phaketrash]

This has been covered in better detail before, but the short of it is if he waits 1 year he qualifies for a larger max contract....so basically, we could get J.Smith auditioning for his max money the following year....which is a good thing.

 

Yes. The only risks JSmoove runs is if he gets injured, or plays significantly worse. I don't know if he'll go for it, but it'd be awesome if he did haha. 

[rockets best fan]

You've got to be kidding me, the max is overpaying for Josh Smith. Let the other GM's be retards, just sign David West and Redick for 4yrs/48m each.

totally agree on j-smith.........now reddick on the other hand is not worth 12 mil per (IMO) he is not enough of an upgrade over delfino to warrant spending that kind of money on him. yes I would like to have him, but at 12 mil per NO. maybe around the 7-8 mil per range, but 12 out of the question