Update on Royce White?
Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:41 AM
It's a shame that this setback has been so visible and public. As I've said before, it would be much better for all parties concerned (including the fans) if this were to happen behind closed doors. I guess we'll just have to wait and see whether the Rockets redouble their efforts to get him to play or decide to cut their losses.
Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:44 AM
But DD, don't get me wrong -- I think White has an entitlement issue. He has been coddled by those around him to believe he's some superstar that deserves special treatment. That being said, I don't know why that is somehow mutually exclusive with the notion that he may have a rather severe form of anxiety disorder. In fact, what are these tea leaves you have seen that point to him only having very "mild" OCD or anxiety disorders? Everything I've seen and heard have pointed to a rather troublesome mental issue. I'm skeptical that doctors and even the Rockets FO are falling for "an act." Does that mean he somehow isn't entitled or going about this the wrong way? No. I think he totally is, mental health problem or not.
You see, I'm torn when it comes to White. Part of me sort of feels where he's coming from. Mental health in the US is too often seen as something fake, or easily changeable., or a choice. It's not that simple (and is rarely a "choice"). One can't just suck it up all the time (though ironically, the CBT training for OCD and similar anxiety disorders is essentially a de-sensitizing version of sucking it up lol), nor does one necessarily want to. Sometimes, even when it is obviously a problem, you've just had it for so long...and it's been a part of you for so many years...that it's scary to even want to change. It's your identity -- who you are. White may not want to "get better," and at the same time, "getting better" is most likely a lot harder to do than most people who don't have mental health issues would think.
On the other hand, I don't know how severe White's anxiety is. My gut tells me it is bad, but manageable, but the way he's lived his life, he isn't inclined to want to manage it. There in is the problem. It's tough, but he should try to get help, get accommodations when necessary, but then work toward fitting into the system. It is unfair to expect society and the system to change to tailor completely to his needs. It's unrealistic, and probably unhealthy.
But again, I don't know the specifics of his issue, so I do wonder why you think he's faking it or exaggerating it. He could be a "prima dona" and have mental health issues at the same time haha. I am also confused why the RGV assignment wouldn't be good for him, from a doctor's perspective, since it is no flying...if he's asking to play in the games without proving anything, he's definitely living in dreamland.
Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:22 AM
The only way we can actually see him in a Rocket uniform is if he somehow is coaxed into "restarting" his NBA career at RGV. IMO.
Does anyone have any information as to why Royce won't accept the RGV invite?
What are his "expectations" for the RGV?
Has his "My Player" rating on NBA2k exploded with all of this free time on his hands?
Is he selling tacos out of a taco stand on bissonet???
Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:41 PM
Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:55 PM
Ultimately, maturity is possibly the biggest part of his problem. Those who seem to be advising him are enabling his behavior. As far as I am concerrned, he is an experiment that failed. That is too bad, because he might have skills that would be useful to the Rockets. We need not waste any more energy on Royce excepting to wave goodbye as he fades into obscurity...
Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:28 PM
The difference is that the Rockets, as a business, do not need to allow him to get his way, he is just not worth it.
I think most of this is entitlement and not OCD/Anxiety.
And for him to say the Doctors get the final say in regards to playing time, and all things Rockets is just immature, and well...frankly stupid.
Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:30 PM
Don't forget to tip your waitresses....
Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:43 PM
But again, I'm still curious as to why most of this is due to entitlement and not OCD/anxiety? I don't see the two as mutually exclusive. He can have the anxiety issues, they can be severe, and he can still feel entitled to be treated in a special way (deserved or not). There might be some compromise ground, or there might not be.
As for the doctor's comment...I mean, I would hope they utilize mental health professionals, but if they are, why wouldn't they get the final say in regards to playing time? As far as it concerns his health/recommended options? Rockets certainly don't have to agree to the recommendations "per se," but that is more a business decision and something that might even relate to the ADA (probably applies in his situation). Reasonable accommodations that don't pose an undue hardship is a vague requirement when it comes to NBA players, so I can understand why the Rockets are treading carefully.
Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:29 PM
So, Royce thinks the Rockets should accomodate him, and there is no accomodation for suckage.
The NBA does not have accomodations for shortness, or for people who can't jump....
Royce is just milking this thing, and everyone to this point has needed his talent - and bowed down to him, the Rockets do not.
Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:00 PM
I assume you were being intentionally glib with the remark about shortness or a lack of hops since mental illness is pretty different from being a few inches shorter or less athletic lol.
But personally, I don't think Rockets have much to lose riding this out with White. Hopefully he'll eventually realize he doesn't have many other options (outside of quitting the NBA altogether) and cooperates more.
Posted 03 January 2013 - 12:43 AM
Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:10 PM
On request from a 1st grade teacher, my son saw a shrink and was diagnosed and medicated for ADHD and ODD (Obsessive defiant disorder) after ONLY 10 MINUTES of observation. I couldn't stand what the medication (Strattera and later Adderol, I think) did to him and his personality so after that year we took him off of it, made some adjustments in our disciplinary actions, and worked to challenge him more intellectually. Today, now in 11th grade, he's in the top 5% of his class and has never had any disciplinary problems since, NEVER. We could have just as easily over the past 10 years treated him as a victim and coddled and medicated him and take no accountability nor expect any from him. And he could have just as easily gone through his whole life with this excuse in his pocket whenever he failed to live up to someone's expectations, or acted out. This is where White is today. What happened to the days of "Hey, you big pussy, man up and suck it up, or get out of the way!"?
I don't know what is sadder, White's problems or the attentions they have garnered him over the years. So, did the Rockets draft the poster boy for mental illnesses, or a basketball player? They are a basketball team, so I hope they drafted a player. Everybody on this planet has quirks and many of them you can put a name too also, but what separates the mice from the men is the ability to overcome these and lead a productive life. One's quirks should never become the burden of others.
Do we remember Bill Walton as the big stutterer? Chris Jackson (Abdul-Rauf) as the "turrets guy"? Wilt or Magic the Sex-Addicts? No. Royce White, how will you be remembered?
Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:32 PM
However, I don't disagree with your general sentiment that many children today are over-diagnosed, and I do think that belief is shared by a large subset of the population (whether most follow through with anything that would help alleviate this issue is a whole 'nother consideration). In fact, I agree with you on that point. I think there are certain mental disabilities (esp. ADD/ADHD) that are over-diagnosed and definitely over-prescribed, contributing to a new problem our kids are facing today ---- abuse of prescription drugs. But again, whole 'nother can of worms I won't get into on a Royce White thread on www.red94.net hahaha.
The only bit that sort of frustrates me is your (and probably the public's) inability to sometimes differentiate between mental disorders. The issue of over-diagnosis is partly to blame for that; the other part is just the nature of mental illnesses and how deceptive they can be (as opposed to say having a terminal illness or a physical handicap). Are there times when psychologists looking for a quick buck and easy solution over diagnosis? Definitely! Are there still people who actually suffer from those and other mental disorders? Absolutely. I'm glad your course of action worked out for your son, and he may have been misdiagnosed, but I can just as easily find parents who think the same way, work extremely hard, but just can't help turn their son's life around...resulting in a rather tragic end. I know I have seen that before. Sometimes they do need medication, along w/ other treatments.
To bring this back to White, I think he falls in the latter category. He isn't going to be able to will away panic attacks, if we are to believe he receives them. Some anxiety issues he can sort of "suck up," but without knowing exactly how severe his problems are (or his medical history), it seems just as likely that there are some that he can't.
TL;DR -- yes, some kids are just spoiled today and parents like to shirk responsibility, so mental disorders are incorrectly claimed as the culprits, leading to a worse public perception of mental illness in general...but some people do actually need medication or CBT or whatnot to resolve their problems. Hard to say which group White falls into.
Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:46 PM
Posted 03 January 2013 - 09:51 PM
Also, as Rahat said its a good thing hes with the warriors. Can you imagine if he had been on the wizards a few years ago? Arenas and Javaris Crittenton would probably threaten to shoot him if he didnt play...
Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:31 AM
As far as the ADA (government law) with mental health, I looked into this a bit more and White probably wouldn't have a case. Rockets have made plenty of reasonable accommodations, and anything he seem to be asking for now is above and beyond that. It is rarely applied to mental health in sports, and not flying or getting starter minutes in the NBA because of his mental illness is almost certainly not required by the law.
@rocketrick: I think that is right -- how bad does White want to play in the NBA? So far it seems...not that badly. Maybe he just wanted to be paid his guaranteed money. I still don't get why he won't go to RGV (well I can imagine a reason, just not a mental health one) since it involves almost no flying, playing time, and consistency. I just can't see his mental health argument for NOT going to RGV, I guess.
Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:40 AM
As for compensatory picks? I doubt it if the Celtics did not get one for Lin Bias.
Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:06 AM
you can only warn a man that the bridge is out.....if he keeps driving he's on his own
Posted 04 January 2013 - 02:25 AM
Posted 04 January 2013 - 02:16 PM
I guess what frustrates me is that over the past couple decades, efforts are made more to shape the environment to conform to someone's mental issues which may or may not be real, rather than teaching these people how to conform to the environments and situations around them. This seems to have fostered a sense of entitlement in White. He seems to think that because of his assumed disability, and for no other reason, that he deserves playing time more than say, D-Mo or Jones. Both of whom have been paying their dues in the valley, in practice, and ridin' the pine for entire games on end. He's trying to jump line like he has a Fast Pass at Disney World, while others are waiting and waiting. Rather than trying to overcome his fears, he's using his disability like a card carrying member of some exclusive club. That sickens me. His problems should only be his burden and not everyone else's, that's just being a man.
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