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[chron] Rockets more likely to pursue Eric Gordon than Deron Williams

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#41 Guest_RedStewie_*

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 10:42 PM

I'm pretty sure Bosh came to Houston and James flew down to Miami. Injured or not, we need to dump our large contracts like Martins, Scola's and Lowry's to make room for our young talent. If we keep Lowry, Dragic might sign somewhere else. If we keep Scola, Patterson, monte, Jones, Leuer and white never get a chance to play basketball. If we keep martin, lamb doesn't get his shot on the court either. That being said we need to make room for the young guns or they will ride the pine, get frustrated, leave Houston and go to another team where they can show their talents, which will leave us with the "Hey remember that guy we drafted, who rode the bench and is now a stud on that other team?"

if you trade for Gordon, Lamb never gets a chance, Gordon is younger than Martin and will still be playing at high level for the next 5 or 6 years. 5 or 6 years that Lamb will be riding the pine.
Why would you put a max deal on Gordon when we r not gonna win any championship or even be contenders with him anytime soon and it will derail the development of Lamb.
Sure trade Martin, scola and Lowry, but for a center. Or have Martin play out his contract with Lamb backing him up.
Gordon is not that star to bring other stars to your team, i don't even think he has even been an all star. But yet you want to throw the max at him

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:01 AM

Im pretty sure Gordon wouldn't play the entire game and lamb would get PT. Gordon is closer to any star that we have the capability to get. Martin has proven he is not the guy. We no longer have a need for center with ASIK coming to the Rockets. Why not grab Gordon for our vets and swap or acquire NO's first round pick next year. I'm pretty sure that will be a top 5 pick next year as I do not see them improving much. Then we go out and grab our star! Maybe Noels, Shabazz or Cody Zeller. Does it more more sense now?

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:28 AM

I don't think NO would be a top 5 pick next year with our vets and their two rooks, our vets have carried this team to multiple 14th place finishes the last few years.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:15 AM

I honestly don't think I want Gordon unless its a sign and trade. What about Martin and Parsons for Gordon. NO gets a one-year contract for Martin to have a combo with Rivers and then when he is done, they can let him walk to make way for Rivers and then they get a young, defensive minded SF who has a pretty good 3 ball, is a good rebounder for his position, plays the fast break, and a good cutter. Not sure if NO would like this, but it would be pretty nice for Houston. Resign Dragic and let Lee walk and you got a pretty good back-court.

PG Dragic/Livingston
SG Gordon/Lamb
SF White/Morris

Then (and while I know people don't like it) trade with the Lakers to get Pau. Scola, Patterson, and Lowry for Pau would give the Lakers a PG for the future, a PF to replace Pau and some front court depth (since they have none...) Giving you a frontcourt that includes Pau, Motie, Asik, and Jones and a team that looks kinda like this:

PG Dragic/Livingston/Fortson
SG Gordon/Lamb
SF White/Morris
PF Motie/Jones/Leuer
C Gasol/Asik/Smith

That looks like a potential contender to me...

Edit* Of course this is all hypothetical and is based on whether or not NO wants to make way for Rivers sooner rather than later. Also, you could even throw in Jones instead of Patterson if that made it more palletable to the Lakers.

#45 blakecouey

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:22 AM

I think NO would want more than Martin and Parsons for a sign and trade. That said I dont know if we'd have enough to get Pau if we upped the offer for Gordon.

#46 pharmag

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:23 AM

Actually, now that I crunch the numbers...that may not work salary cap wise. Still think it would be a good team...

#47 blakecouey

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:27 AM

There's no doubt it'd get us to the playoffs, but it's got to work cap wise or we can't waste the time debating it lol

#48 pharmag

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:27 AM

My biggest think is I am not sure what Gordon's contract would look like. I'm guestimating that it would start at around 15. And I know that might not be enough to get Gordon. I'd say throw in Lowry, but I know they prefer Dragic. I guess you could throw in a guy like Jones, and maybe the Dallas pick.

#49 pharmag

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:44 AM

Based on my math (and it may be poor) and my understanding of the CBA (I know its poor), I think that line-up would be over salary cap, but under luxury tax threshold for the next 2 years, but then Gasol would come off the books.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:28 AM

Ummm Guys, i dont think you can sign and trade a restricted free agent. Last time i checked Gordon is restricted, we can only sign him to an offer sheet and hope New Orleans won't match. The reason he turned down his 4 year extension was cos he wanted more money, similar to Westbrook's new contract. However we dont have the cap room to offer him the max contract that he wants, and which NO expects to match.
So again, we have zero chance at getting Gordon- no sign and trade option, and no cap room for max deal

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:49 AM

You can trade a restricted free agent. He can't be traded for like 30 days? not positive on the exact time length, if the original team matches the offer sheet. The player can not be traded to the team that had it's offer sheet matched for a year I believe. If the Hornets we to sign Gordon not as a matching (which they would do if they were working a sign and trade) he can be dealt. Again I'm not positive on the exact times but the only way you can't trade for someone is if you sign him to an offer sheet and NO matches.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:57 AM

no you can't use a sign and trade on a restricted free agent and Gordon is restricted.
You can use a sign and trade on an unrestricted free agent

He can't be signed and then traded. They can sign him, then wait until three months after signing a contract or December 15th of that season, whichever is later.

The only way we can get him is by offering him a max contract, but New Orleans can offer more money and more years, plus we dont have cap space for a max contract.

There is a reason he is a free agent. His team can refuse other teams a shot at getting him by matching the offer, and then turning around and keeping him. If you didn't want him, then dont math his offer. If you want him, then keep him.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:13 AM

My times were wrong.
"If my understanding of the CBA is correct, the Nets must trade Lopez within 48 hours after signing him or else he's untradeable till Dec. 15," Bondy tweeted. "Signings can't happen till July 11. So assuming Lopez signs on first day, deadline for Dwight deal is July 13. ... and any experts please correct me if wrong -- but Lopez can't be signed and traded by Nets if he signed an offer sheet with another team."

So he is dealable assuming you go into it that way

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:18 AM

I doubt that works for Lopez cos he is restricted. The 48 hours clause is for unrestricted free agents. And it doesn't mean he is untradeable after 48hrs, its just means his contract is no longer valid after 48 hours if he was signed to be traded and then no longer traded.
Which is why I believe the Nets went for Johnson.
Orlando didn't want the pieces they were offering and they couldnt offer Lopez cos he was restricted. They could have offered Lopez last season while he was still under contract but Orlando wouldn't take their offer and Dwight opted in

#55 Ostrow

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:24 AM

I'm going to ask Larry Coon. Hopefully he responds. I'm pretty sure you don't have to wait 5 months to trade someone you signed.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:24 AM

The argument that Bondy is making is that Lopez would have to actually sign an offer sheet with another team for him to be restricted.
But thats not the case, he's already restricted whether he signs an offer sheet with another team or not.
The Nets have first right to match any offer he gets, but that doesnt mean they can just sign and trade him as if he was unrestricted if he doesnt sign an offer sheet with another team

I'm going to ask Larry Coon. Hopefully he responds. I'm pretty sure you don't have to wait 5 months to trade someone you signed.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm. just go his website and read all the fine prints. That term restricted screws a lot of things. Unrestricted is better

#57 Ostrow

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:27 AM

this was his answer to someone asking him something else though

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@jordville Yes, but not after he signs an offer sheet with another team.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:32 AM

That would mean he believes that a restricted player has to actually sign an offer sheet to be considered a restricted free agent and there are no such words in the new cba.
If he is right however, there is also the case that you can't sign and trade a player without their permission.
Plus if you were Lopez, why would you sign such a contract.

Again, if there is a loophole in the cba that claims a restricted free agent is only restricted once they sign an offer sheet, i didn't see it but that doesnt mean it can't be implied

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:34 AM

question 43 "If the team matches an offer sheet and retains their free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent, and cannot trade him at all to the team that signed him to an offer sheet. They also can't trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction"

question 88 "The player cannot be a restricted free agent who has signed an offer sheet with another team"

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:36 AM

I'm also not saying Lopez would sign that contract, but if the Rockets were to really want Gordon and Gordon really wants the Rockets the way I'm reading that there is a way to get it done in a sign and trade