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[amacbrooks12]

No way in hell is Kevin Martin worth just an 18th pick , but he isnt worth a top ten pick + a good young player either . That's just crazy and no team is dumb enough to give up their top ten pick AND a good young player that has potential for Martin . Which is why I have to agree with Blake on this one , maybe 2-3 years younger a team would possibly do that but not now . Not when he's coming off a bad season and especially not when this years draft is full of talent . However , Red Stewie is not completely wrong because Kevin Martin has more value than people think because of his contract and the fact that hes still actually a good player that can average about 20-25 ppg in a good season . Like Rockets Best Fan stated , a scorer like that is not easy to find so dont be shocked when Martin ( and more assets ) gets traded for a guy like Josh Smith .

[Sir Thursday]

With hindsight, it's obvious that Budinger would be easier to move than Martin. Budinger's salary makes him a Bargain with a capital B. I don't think there's a team on the league who wouldn't happily have Budinger on their roster, simply because he barely costs them anything. On the other hand, Martin's big salary is considerably harder to shift simply because there are far fewer teams who are willing to take on that kind of salary, especially with the more punitive luxury tax coming in.

In terms of their on-court contributions, Martin is still more valuable than Budinger. But probably not enough to justify the extra dollars. The expiring contract will come into play at the trade deadline, but right now teams are still preserving their flexibility to try and nab free agents. If Martin does get moved, I wouldn't expect it to happen before FA has shaken out.

Having said this, I then saw the news about the Detroit-Charlotte deal, in which two players with high salaries were swapped in order to trade a pick for salary cap relief. I guess it's possible that Martin could be dealt early if Morey wants to turn Martin into a pick to use...

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[blakecouey]

lol I understand but not for an 18th pick.
Martin could be traded for a first round pick and a player before the draft lottery is set. If the pick ends up being below the 20th, thats a whole different issue. But now you know the order of the draft, and there is no way you trade Martin (both his skills and contract) for an 18th pick.

In the Charlotte deal, they traded an expiring contract (Maggete) for a first round pick and a young gunner (Gordon).
And i doubt Maggete can produce for Detroit, they just got him for cap relief.
But whoever gets Martin is gonna get both production and cap relief, so he is def worth an unprotected first round pick + young player.

For a first round pick, yep I think 18 falls in the first round, as for a player- not one worth their contract if they're established, and if theyre young likely not a future all star or anything.
Unprotected first round pick, so now you want a future pick instead, which changes everything as next years draft will likely be much weaker than this year(could mean a 10-15 who knows). Although with unprotected picks comes risk, it could wind up beong the 30th-which means other factors such as players coming back dependent on the team Martin would be traded to.
Either way contradicting statements...a top ten and a player, a first rounder, or an unprotected first...which is it Stew?

[blakecouey]

Crystal ball says YES. What has Charlotte or Detroit done lately to make you think they make good decisions? And to the point, bud for the 18 is a better deal than magette for Gordon and a first. My apologies about the all star comment, sometimes i just assume we wouldnt care if they throw in a Thabeet or Flynn.