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[MichaelPina]

http://www.red94.net...minnesota/9737/

So, what does everybody think?

[UncleCaveman]

Surprised we didn't have to give up Martin. Seems like he is much more valuable in terms of a scoring presence at the SG and as a big expiring contract and I figured for sure Adelman would want to add him to the roster.

KMart's expiring $13 mil. contract makes matching salaries with a team much easier and if we keep him, who knows, maybe he'll get back in the groove and score 20 pts/game.

Also, the 18th pick seems like a great spot to grab a falling player like Sullinger or Royce White.

[Sir Thursday]

With hindsight, it's obvious that Budinger would be easier to move than Martin. Budinger's salary makes him a Bargain with a capital B. I don't think there's a team on the league who wouldn't happily have Budinger on their roster, simply because he barely costs them anything. On the other hand, Martin's big salary is considerably harder to shift simply because there are far fewer teams who are willing to take on that kind of salary, especially with the more punitive luxury tax coming in.

In terms of their on-court contributions, Martin is still more valuable than Budinger. But probably not enough to justify the extra dollars. The expiring contract will come into play at the trade deadline, but right now teams are still preserving their flexibility to try and nab free agents. If Martin does get moved, I wouldn't expect it to happen before FA has shaken out.

[rockets best fan]

trust me minny wanted martin, but probably unable to convince the rockets to take one of their bad contracts. I agree with Sir Thursday in that martin will probably be moved at the trade deadline if not involved in a blockbuster. trading bud is a good trade. he is a nice young player, but he was not going to get pt here. the fact that the rockets were able to get #18 in a draft this deep is what shocks me. morey seems to be good at catching teams when they are desperate.

[blakecouey]

Simply put: I love it. Keep on moving Morey.

[rockets best fan]

blakecouey:
this is what I meant when we were dicussing the gasol rumors. if you appear desperate you get hoodwinked in the deal. the rockets like to deal from a position of strength. they caught minny looking desperate. i'm like you I almost can't wait to see what's next. I find myself checking updates at least once and hour.

[blakecouey]

blakecouey:
this is what I meant when we were dicussing the gasol rumors. if you appear desperate you get hoodwinked in the deal. the rockets like to deal from a position of strength. they caught minny looking desperate. i'm like you I almost can't wait to see what's next. I find myself checking updates at least once and hour.

As far as Gasol goes, I advocated it because I believed it was possibly the best(at least the most assured) thing we could do. I can understand your comment of desperation for Gasol, but I do not consider Gasol being a desperate move(even still) I see it as a good move-although highly unlikely if we continue the route we are headed.

I don't know why my company is paying me the last few days, I've been glued to Twitter and all the sites. Wishing my phone had better battery life so I could stay in touch with the Red94 discussions...I've seen some comments that need to be rebutted.

[rockets best fan]

As far as Gasol goes, I advocated it because I believed it was possibly the best(at least the most assured) thing we could do. I can understand your comment of desperation for Gasol, but I do not consider Gasol being a desperate move(even still) I see it as a good move-although highly unlikely if we continue the route we are headed.

I don't know why my company is paying me the last few days, I've been glued to Twitter and all the sites. Wishing my phone had better battery life so I could stay in touch with the Red94 discussions...I've seen some comments that need to be rebutted.

lol I agree some of the comments are way out there. I also agree gasol in not a bad move just don't overpay for him is my only point. if you do that then gasol is a terrible option. what I am enjoying today is watching all these people who told me martin was worth pennies realizing he may be a lot more valuable.

[blakecouey]

@ rockets best fan
U and blake were such people who thought Martin was worth pennies.

Untrue. I do not believe he is worth a top ten and a prospect young guy though-lol. Til i read that comment I was about to ask what new meds you were on, cuz you had made some sensible comments for once. Must be time for your next dose. Anyways, I believe Martin was worth the 18 for sure, but I do not see him going for a pick anymore, now its either packaged for dwight(or whatever big pickup) or for a role player. I don't see us keeping him if we get dwight(although itd be interesting) as it severely limits other signing options.

[blakecouey]

Kevin Martin is worth the 18th pick. A proven NBA player who can average 20ppg is worth the 18th pick.
First, you fail to realize that even though Budinger was a second draft pick, he wasn't being traded on his draft stock- he was being traded as a solid rotation player.
After top 5 in any given draft, anything else is a huge gamble. And you think Martin is worth #18.

See now you're putting words(or realizations) in my mouth. I never said a word about bud other than i liked the trade. Thanks but i can read stats, and yet I still disagree Martin is worth a top ten and a young guy. On a better contract and about 2-3 years younger maybe but you overvalue an expiring contract by saying he's a quality player- in which he is one dimensional, and declining in that one dimension. I'll be waiting for your next delusional comment.

And stew, please start supporting your laughish comments with proof. You know, actual quotes- not your opinion on how your simple mind implies my posts, as youre normally off base.

[blakecouey]

Where did i say I hoped it was Martin? Ive said martin was what is valued at 18, as had several others here. As to bud being lower value than Martin. No shit lol- nobody has questioned this. I haven't said martin isn't worth the 17, 15, etc. I would've been happy with martin for the 18 as I believed that is where he should go at this point in time. The reason we haven't mentioned the 15 and 17 or others is because the teams holding those picks haven't shown interest in Martin- minnesota/adelman had.

Continued disrespect, wouldn't expect less Stewie. Have a great night buddy.

[blakecouey]

The quote button, the first step to you building an intelligent argument. I think your biggest problem is your inability to admit youre wrong, whereas I realize I can be wrong and move past it. Face it bud, there is a reason you are disliked and argued with more than anyone else here, best of luck in the future.

Back on topic- any news on sacremento trade? Nets are looking for a top five, might get a glimpse at what they value the 5 at.. that'd likely be crippling for a DH trade for us.

[Stephen]

Trading Bud instead of Martin for the 18 is HUGE.
If the Rockets can parlay just 2 of their picks and Lowry into 2 higher picks that allows the Rockets to package Martin(or Scola) w/the third pick for a second tier type star-Smith,Iggy,Granger.
If Morey can trade Lowry for just a First,that's a very valuable TPE(traded player exception). Morey can then offer Orlando Dalembert(and his cheap buyout),SCola(or Martin) the two 2012 Firsts,the Dallas First and take on J-Rich for the trade exception.

[rockets best fan]

RedStewie:
NEVER have you heard me say kevin martin was worth pennies. as a matter of fact I have been one of the people to argue that he has value when no one else did. me and rahat has a discussion about a month ago where we debated his value. now if you can show me even one sentence where I said martin was worth nothing show it to me. search as you may, but you won't find one. so b4 you attempt to put words in my mouth make sure they are the correct words please.