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@  thenit : (03 December 2015 - 05:38 AM) Not a complete game, but the effort was there, and voila we are at least competitive even when we arent playing well
@  cointurtlemoose : (03 December 2015 - 04:44 AM) Corey Brewer went from being absolutely horrible (whole season) to being the Corey Brewer that we all remember and love (tonight)!
@  thenit : (03 December 2015 - 03:02 AM) yep and lawson is having his bst game so far in the season
@  slick shoes : (03 December 2015 - 02:53 AM) it's crazy what happens when the rockets play defense.
@  thenit : (03 December 2015 - 01:46 AM) Not looking good after the 1st Q tonight either.
@  thenit : (01 December 2015 - 04:56 AM) It doesnt help when Bev looks like he lost a step since the surgery and now we have 2 wing defenders who can't defend. So Bev has become Lin with worse offensive skills and shooting
@  thenit : (01 December 2015 - 04:55 AM) Thought last year he finally got it by at least exerting effort and by seeing the results he will be even more willing to play a two way game. Sadly I was completely wrong, he is worse than his first year here
@  thenit : (01 December 2015 - 04:53 AM) Harden is the new Carmelo, high volume usage, scorer, with no D and effort. Will never win a championship with him
@  thenit : (01 December 2015 - 04:52 AM) Its the curse of the Kardashian clan, seriously though Harden can score 80 and it still be close because he doesn't defend. Too many times he just stands there. Not even trying, fame has gone to his head.
@  Jatman20 : (01 December 2015 - 04:08 AM) Opps....on us
@  Jatman20 : (01 December 2015 - 04:07 AM) Rockets have gone Wizard of Oz no us !! No Heart (Harden still looks heartbroken over Chloe), No courage and No Brains (Bickerstaff is less of a coach than McHale at this stage in their careers).
@  majik19 : (01 December 2015 - 03:29 AM) We should've fired Bickerstaff, not McHale. Our defense is killing us.
@  Jatman20 : (01 December 2015 - 02:54 AM) Time to go scorched earth on the Rockets roster!!
@  Cooper : (01 December 2015 - 02:28 AM) on the semi plus side Lawson doesn't look like the absolute worst player in the league.
@  Willk : (01 December 2015 - 01:29 AM) this team needs to be booed from the start of the game to the end of the game during their next home game. This effort is pathetic
@  cointurtlemoose : (30 November 2015 - 03:32 AM) A mix of really bad and really good tonight, but it was a gutsy comeback!
@  slick shoes : (30 November 2015 - 01:38 AM) that was more of a rhetorical question, but good to see you're on your game ;)
@  jorgeaam : (29 November 2015 - 08:12 PM) 7/12 shooting from the field, 8/9 from the line
@  jorgeaam : (29 November 2015 - 08:12 PM) 6, he also had 5 assists and 7 rebounds
@  slick shoes : (29 November 2015 - 05:46 PM) how many treys did Covington bury?

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#1 Rahat Huq

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    Posted 12 June 2012 - 04:24 AM

    I thought we'd move everything into here for the Finals rather than continuing in the playoffs thread.

    Predictions - I've been dead wrong of late (I thought Boston would win Game 7 and that the Spurs would never lose again), but I might as well continue.

    I have OKC in either 5 or 6. I just don't see Miami having enough firepower to be able to hang, especially with Dwyane Wade looking more like Mo Williams. Ironically, Heat-Thunder was just about everyone's preseason Finals pick.

    Some other thoughts:
    • I don't necessarily like Lebron James too much nor do I like the Heat, but boy do I hope they win, just for the sake of reinstilling some intelligence into our basketball conversation. (Though that's probably way too much to ask for.) There's just so much emotion-driven asininity right now in our journalistic coverage of Lebron/NBA--led by one writer in particular--that it's become almost unbearable. If he can win, while it won't vindicate him, that's not what I care for. It will get us back to talking about f**king basketball and not the forces of good vs. evil and other childish nonsense.
    • I've been saying this since the signings, but the Heat window is so, so, so much smaller than people make it out to be. People make it seem like they have some 10-year window of dominance when Dwyane Wade's best years might already be behind him. The Heat will always be in the picture with Lebron and Bosh still relatively young, but they need to do a much better job of scouting young talent rather than signing aging vets like Battier. A team with Lebron/Wade doesn't need veteran savy - they need fresh blood.
    • If Durant and Lebron match up (though I think you'll see Sefalosha on James most of the time) that is the best head-to-head Finals matchup since..._______? Hakeem and Shaq? Can't think of something better than that in the interim.

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    #2 Mario Peña

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    Posted 12 June 2012 - 05:17 AM

    I will take the Thunder in 6. LeBron steals one in OKC and then the Thunder figure out the Heat take 2 in Miami. Back home the Thunder close it out in 6.
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    Posted 12 June 2012 - 06:14 AM

    Hahahaha, Miami is going to win. They are going to steal one in okc
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      Posted 12 June 2012 - 01:41 PM

      I've actually kind of turned the corner on LeBron during these playoffs. The amount of scrutiny and criticism he endures is unbelievable. What's funny about the hate to me is that he's one of the more model citizens the NBA has: no DUIs, no domestic violence, no on- or off-court altercations, no poor sportsmanship, always says the right thing and puts up 30 and 10 night in and night out. He's truly the world's best player and so many supposed fans of basketball are actively missing out on appreciating one of the best players they'll ever have the chance to see. I feel sorry for them.

      That said, I say Thunder in 6.
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      #5 Rahat Huq

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        Posted 12 June 2012 - 02:27 PM

        I've actually kind of turned the corner on LeBron during these playoffs. The amount of scrutiny and criticism he endures is unbelievable. What's funny about the hate to me is that he's one of the more model citizens the NBA has: no DUIs, no domestic violence, no on- or off-court altercations, no poor sportsmanship, always says the right thing and puts up 30 and 10 night in and night out. He's truly the world's best player and so many supposed fans of basketball are actively missing out on appreciating one of the best players they'll ever have the chance to see. I feel sorry for them.

        That said, I say Thunder in 6.

        Completely agreed. Though I still can't believe they could have been that dumb the way they carried out The Decision. Just a complete disaster. Who in their right mind could possibly think that that would have been a good idea?

        When I heard it was going to be televised, I remember thinking, "that's a wrap, he's going back to Cleveland....there's no way he leaves them on national tv."

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          Posted 12 June 2012 - 05:39 PM

          Completely agreed. Though I still can't believe they could have been that dumb the way they carried out The Decision. Just a complete disaster. Who in their right mind could possibly think that that would have been a good idea?

          When I heard it was going to be televised, I remember thinking, "that's a wrap, he's going back to Cleveland....there's no way he leaves them on national tv."

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          Everything said by Lyfestyle is correct except it will be Heat in 6(I hope).

          As far as The Decision goes, I am probably one of the few that agreed with it. Albeit can be construed as self centered or egotistical, the man donated the money made by it to charity(boys and girls clubs of America, I think). It was over a million dollars, which he very easily could've kept for himself. Now the Heat introduction party thing, and not five not six etc were absurd..but it beats talkin about practice.
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          #7 Rahat Huq

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            Posted 12 June 2012 - 05:53 PM

            Everything said by Lyfestyle is correct except it will be Heat in 6(I hope).

            As far as The Decision goes, I am probably one of the few that agreed with it. Albeit can be construed as self centered or egotistical, the man donated the money made by it to charity(boys and girls clubs of America, I think). It was over a million dollars, which he very easily could've kept for himself. Now the Heat introduction party thing, and not five not six etc were absurd..but it beats talkin about practice.

            Yeah, I think the charity aspect mitigated things a bit. But still, just not a good decision...

            Regardless, the original point stands. Coverage of Lebron has been absurd. We need to start talking about actual basketball and not all this other BS.
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              Posted 12 June 2012 - 06:22 PM

              Agreed, but its the media they'll do whatever it takes for a headline and some attention.
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                Posted 15 June 2012 - 02:44 PM

                Everything about this series has been absolutely amazing.
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                  Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:44 PM

                  Everything about this series has been absolutely amazing.


                  Made moreso for me by the fact that I money-lined the Heat last night at +210. ;P
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                  Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:52 PM

                  Its crazy that this series could easily be 2-0 for either team.
                  I want the Heat to win just so critics can back off Lebron, but his disappearing act towards the end of the 4th is alarming.
                  Initially, when he comes down the floor or gets the pass, he's either driving towards the rim or looking for a jumpshot, however towards the end of the 4th- he's steady looking for a pass
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                    Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:48 AM

                    Its crazy that this series could easily be 2-0 for either team.
                    I want the Heat to win just so critics can back off Lebron, but his disappearing act towards the end of the 4th is alarming.
                    Initially, when he comes down the floor or gets the pass, he's either driving towards the rim or looking for a jumpshot, however towards the end of the 4th- he's steady looking for a pass


                    The object is to get points on the board, sometimes a pass is what is required to attain that goal. At least in game 2, he was in foul trouble(yes I consider 4 trouble), and driving to the basket the way they seemed to be calling charges couldve easily cost them the game. When looking at the other players on the court with him, passing isnt a bad idea when you've got Wade, Bosh, Battier(and yes even Chalmers) on the court with you. Totally agree it could be 2-0 for either team, it's been a great Finals so far and I can't wait til Sunday, first game away from those "best fans the world has ever seen." Lets go HEAT.
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                    Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:56 AM

                    Go look back at James's play the last 5 minutes or so, he had only one field goal and 2 free throws. The rest of his passes were turnovers to D-Wade, Bosh and one to another player.
                    It has nothing to do with his foul troubles, he always plays like that in the fourth quarter.
                    I understand if those passes led to baskets but they didn't, most of them led to turnovers cos most of his teammates were not expecting a pass.
                    Also, for a player of James magnitude, a lot has to be said that in crunch time, he shies away from taking the big shot, instead deferring to other teammates.
                    Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of basketball and a fan of Lebron since he's the best player in the league, but I think all the criticisms are starting to get to him.
                    In Cleveland, he was clutch and would hit several game winning shots or simply take over the game in the 4th, but that has not been the case in Miami.
                    I understand he has D-Wade and Bosh in Miami, but those 2 have not been clutch either since James joined the Heat, so why is he passing, when he can drive for a basket or free throws
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                    Posted 16 June 2012 - 06:21 PM

                    I think James is playing like a man possessed! He is dropping sick numbers similar to Michael Jordan through the entire playoffs. I do not see how you could criticize him for dominating on a gamely basis for what he has done so far. He has literally almost single handedly drug this team through the playoffs. I know you can argue that he has Bosh and Wade on the team, but they have been playing like average NBA players throughout the entire playoffs and have not shown anyone why they were worth the max contract they have. I agree with RedStewie on why he has been passive in the fourth but I believe it could be due to the fact that he uses so much energy keeping the team in the game through quarters 1, 2 and 3. He also wants to empower his team to shoot as it will benefit them in future games to be played. Personally I have not seen a single offensive strategy for Miami besides give the ball to James or Wade or Bosh and have all other players stand at the three point line to wait for the kick out from one of the big three. Its not basketball, but more like street ball. With this being said, though I see more of a team and better coaching with the Thunder, "the Miami James" will not let their team lose this series. James will shoot 100 times in a game if he has to before that happens. Miami in 6!
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                    Posted 20 June 2012 - 04:30 AM

                    contrary to popular belief, and the tales on espn. The momentum in this series can turn swiftly.
                    Most of the games could have gone either way.
                    Also, if OKC wins the next game, its 3-2, with both teams essentially protecting home court, and then its back to Oklahoma.
                    OKC also won 4 straight games against San Antonio.

                    However, i think Miami will eventually win it.
                    Just pointing out that the thunders are one win away from regaining home court
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                      Posted 20 June 2012 - 03:47 PM

                      This has been one of the most amazing series' I have ever seen. First of all, I'll say that it's crazy to look back 10 years ago to the days when no one watched the NBA Finals. It's been an absolute prime-time event for some time now.
                      • Still shocked that things have turned out as they have. I had predicted Thunder in 5 and couldn't see a way for the Heat to have enough firepower. I didn't predict James' utter dominance or Shane Battier's onslaught in the early games. When the best player in the game wins his first title, it's a rare and special moment in the sport's history. I didn't see Jordan's in 91. I saw Shaq's. I saw Kobe's (first without Shaq.) And now, this, most likely.
                      • Has anyone ever looked more unstoppable than James has this series when he has put his head down and attacked the rim? Someone on Twitter alluded to Jordan, which is fair, but I think the difference is that Jordan just had sheer determination and kept going in. But he had to go to the jumpshot at times, due to his smallish size.
                      • On that note, I wish I was there in 91 when Jordan won his first.
                      • This is basketball, to me. I know for a lot of you, beauty is team ball, in the manner of the Spurs. But for me, this is it. Stars littered all across the floor, taking turns going at one another. Durant on Lebron and vice versa. Wade and Westbrook. This is absolute basketball heaven.
                      • Will the Heat now permanently keep Bosh at the 5 and James at the 4 going into next year? I don't see how anyone can match up with that.
                      • They need to find a replacement for Battier and Mike Miller at some point. Someone who can knock down 3's and bring energy would be ideal.

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                      Posted 20 June 2012 - 05:00 PM

                      I also am surprised that the Heat has managed to push the Thunder to the brink of defeat. Plus, I totally agree with you that this series is what basketball is all about. Although I did not expect LeBron to perform this well, I must give him his due, he is a great player.

                      The one area that has surprised me about this series is the failure of Harden and Westbrook at critical moments within the games. Although Westbrook had a brilliant scoring game last night, his foul that ended the possibility of coming back was surprising. In addition, Harden's youth seems to have neutered his ability to contribute at expected levels. In short, Miami has played like seasoned veterans while Oklahoma has not.

                      Regarding the Heat roster, they will have a tough time filling their needs anytime soon because their salary structure is already over 75 Million for next season with only 10 slots filled. Realistically, the only way that they can do much with their roster would be to trade one of their Big 3. They won't want to do that, so I guess we will see how punitive the new luxury tax is to their future.

                      It will soon be time for the unpredictable roster changes that accompany the Draft and off-season trades. I will miss the live action games, but will enjoy the upcoming precursors to a new season for the Rockets...
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                      Posted 20 June 2012 - 07:12 PM

                      the indivdual games have been pretty good, but i cant agree that the series has been exciting. OKC has fallen apart when it mattered 3 times now. I thought after game 1 they would win it in 5. now i cant believe this wasnt a sweep. i wish it were going at least 6. (well i can still hope).
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                      Posted 21 June 2012 - 11:45 PM

                      if the thunder win tonight, i have the game going to game 7
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                      Posted 22 June 2012 - 03:44 AM

                      its just a lil troubling that Eddie Curry will get a ring too. lol, and Juwan Howard
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