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[Jatman20]

Typical Morey move(s). Maybe they fit or get flipped at trading deadline. Shved was a starting PG for a Russian team that finished 3rd vs other national teams. The addition of Kevin Martin hurt his growth last year with Minnesota last year. Greater maturity and efficient on a poor team now has a chance to make a difference at PG and SG at 6'6" with a contender.

Some PF free agents this summer: LMA ($15.3 this year), Millsap ($9.5), Monroe ($5.5), Amir Johnson ($7.1), Brandan Wright ($5), Kyle
O Quinn [Res] ($1.2), Teletovic ($3.4), Bass ($6.9).....Center Marc Gasol. So if we scratch off the list trading with a contending team this season
For their player. That leaves a trade by the Feb deadline for Monroe, Brandan Wright, Teletovic, Or Bass is very tempting to rent one of these player and then try to land the bigger fish this summer. I like our teams depth now with youth now sprinkled in some experience at key positions. Lesser minutes for Ariza and Harden now will pay off later. The only question I have now is T Jones.......his progress and health. I believe D-Mo is more than adequate as a backup center; so if D-Mo starts at PF I just worry about backup PF. Love the hustle of Black and I want to keep him with the Rockets. Dorsey is the one I would like to find another home for.....unfortunately Blacks non guaranteed contract and potential is easier to move. Help us out Boston.

[Cooper]

Not a shved believer but he did show some stuff in Philly for whatever thats worth and brewer should fit right away. The mavs needed a bigger upgrade than we did so I kind of get why they went for rondo but there are a lot more risks to it.

[Jatman20]

Hey Mario Pena....I also hoped for greater things from Hamilton. It was understood if it didn't work his money would come off the books in the summer. Not everyone has the fire in their heart like Beverley or Kobe. Guy like Kwame Brown could have been a beast if he worked as hard as Beverley. Oh well....nothing ventured, nothing gained.....Morey always seems to have an escape plan though.

[clydesmoustache]

I wouldn't make a good GM. The main feeling i had was give Boston what they want just don't let dallas get better.

[jorgeaam]

I wouldn't make a good GM. The main feeling i had was give Boston what they want just don't let dallas get better.

 

Do you really think Dallas got better? They lost their only backup big man (Well, they have our old friend Greg Smith) to get a guy that is shooting 39% from the field,25% from 3 and 33% from FT, what would the Rockets do with that?  He's against everything the Rocket's system preaches (Getting to the line and shooting 3's)

 

I've always been against getting Rondo, he's just a flashy player who cares for his stats and nothing else, I remember than when he had the assist streak 2 years ago he wouldn't shoot at all just so he could keep the streak going.

 

I'm sure Morey's "interest" in Rondo was in fact just to make Dallas overpay for him (remember, Boston had no leverage at all).  

 

I'm pretty happy with the trade now, we got Brewer and Shved for Daniels, 3 seconds and the rights for some 32 year old european who doesn't even average 3 points over there.

 

Also, the most important thing I get from this and a lot of people don't consider is Team Chemistry. With Rondo it would've taken time to learn where his teammates like their passes, where they're gonna be, and the overall locker room atmosphere, while adding role players doesn't make as much as a hit on a team(specially considering Rondo is a notoriously bad teammate).

 

And finally, we get to keep our best players (and assets), and the overall team depth just grew bigger, I suppose it would've taken at least D-Mo/T-Jones for Rondo to come here.

[clydesmoustache]

Do you really think Dallas got better?

To be very honest i am not sure. If rondo by February plays at level that he was playing at before his knee and hand injuries and the rest of the front court remain healthy (All very big ifs) then yep they will be better. Back then rondo was a warrior and exceled with bigs that can shoot. Now he is placed with the best tall shooter in the history of the game. I know he has been poor this year but knees can take awhile to get back from and he had an interrupted preseason. I also think it is smart on dallas's part as dirks window is closing so u need to take a chance. It is also probably a good idea to be aggressive in trades and free agents when your cornerstone has agreed to take a pay cut.

Now saying all that i did not want him for the rockets. I agree with you. That is why i wouldn't be a good gm as i would try and make the deal out of spite rather than rationally. I am happy with bev and canaan. I am happy to have shved but only in matchups against tall point guards. Brewer makes sense as we were getting so little out of Garcia. if dragic was available that is a different story though.

[thejohnnygold]

I am curious about Dallas and Rondo (as I'm sure the rest of NBA fans are).  That starting line-up--wow.  Rondo, Ellis, Parsons, Nowitzki, and Chandler.  On paper, that's ridiculous.

 

I'm not ready to call it a success after last night's win against the Spurs' Junior Varsity team.  None of their Big 4 played.  A Spurs squad led by Diaw and Belinelli took Dallas down to the last minute and a half before the Mavs pulled away.  San Antonio actually led most of the game.

 

In the box score you see exactly what you'd expect from Rondo: 3-11 (0-1 from deep) for 6 pts with 7 rebs, 9 asts, and 2 stls.

 

I'm sure he will fit in fine with their starting 5.  I also think they'll miss Nelson's 3 pt shooting.

 

What is most striking is the bench (as has been noted).  Outside of Barea and Harris there just isn't much going on there.  They have little margin for error and more than one injury will likely submarine this team.  I am excited to see if Greg Smith has grown as a player--always loved his potential.

 

All in all, it makes the West more interesting.  I still like our trade better as it solidifies a team that was already looking solid (despite last night's lay-up drill we ran for Atlanta).

[timetodienow1234567]

I love the trade.

[Steven]

Dallas now has three guys who can't shoot in their starting lineup.

[jorgeaam]

I see this Dallas team as Portland, very good starting 5, can't get 10 points out of their bench on a good day

[majik19]

Dallas now has three guys who can't shoot in their starting lineup.

Yeah but Rick Carlisle is a genius, and Parsons at least doesn't hurt their spacing because he shoots "well enough."

 

 

As far as Brewer goes (topic title...), solid pick up without giving up much. We're really struggling when Harden sits, and I know Brewer doesn't help on the offensive end, but the +/- will improve if we can at least give up fewer points when Harden sits. 

[rocketrick]

It seems that, according to Jonathan Feigen, a trade of this sort would be to set up a later trade at the deadline, by using the acquired player in that later package.  I guess the thinking is that, in the meantime, you can make better use on the court of that player than of a "TPE."

Especially when the TPE was due to expire the end of last week. I personally don't see the Rockets moving Corey Brewer. Shved could possibly be used in a later trade if Morey and the Rockets believe that move strengthens our roster. Otherwise, Shved should get an opportunity between now and the February trade deadline with the Rockets.

[jorgeaam]

Especially when the TPE was due to expire the end of last week. I personally don't see the Rockets moving Corey Brewer. Shved could possibly be used in a later trade if Morey and the Rockets believe that move strengthens our roster. Otherwise, Shved should get an opportunity between now and the February trade deadline with the Rockets.

 

The TPE was expiring until July I think, they traded now because it allows them to trade the received players at the deadline.

Edited by jorgeaam, 22 December 2014 - 11:53 PM.

[Steven]

Instead of only having the exception, Terry's and Papa's contracts to trade, the Rockets were able to add $4.5M for Brewer and $3.3M for Shved. Course this could all be moot now. If they add Smith, then they won't need a trade, especially if Jones comes back healthy.

C-Howard/D-Mo/Black or Dorsey (whichever isn't cut)
PF - Jones/Smith/D-Mo/Papa
SF - Ariza/Brewer/Papa
SG- Harden/Brewer/Terry/Shved
PG- Beverly/Terry/Shved/Canaan

D-League
Johnson & Capela & possibly Canaan just to get playing time.

[YaoMan]

All in all, it makes the West more interesting.  I still like our trade better as it solidifies a team that was already looking solid (despite last night's lay-up drill we ran for Atlanta).

Right? Glad I wasn't the only one who thought we assigned a fast lane for ATL to have layups all day!

[YaoMan]

Instead of only having the exception, Terry's and Papa's contracts to trade, the Rockets were able to add $4.5M for Brewer and $3.3M for Shved. Course this could all be moot now. If they add Smith, then they won't need a trade, especially if Jones comes back healthy.

C-Howard/D-Mo/Black or Dorsey (whichever isn't cut)
PF - Jones/Smith/D-Mo/Papa
SF - Ariza/Brewer/Papa
SG- Harden/Brewer/Terry/Shved
PG- Beverly/Terry/Shved/Canaan

D-League
Johnson & Capela & possibly Canaan just to get playing time.

Good point. I would take Black over Dorsey - I think he has a slight edge in rebounding and defense and his cheaper and has more room to grow...I wonder where that leaves Papa on minutes...I think it will go down a lot if Smith is added...

[YaoMan]

And one of the most impressive debut for bench player being traded, Brewer in 23 minutes of action against the Blazers:

12pts on 5-10 (2-4 3pt), 5 steals, 4 assists, 4 boards, 1 block

If we get anything remotely close to that on a consistent basis, it will pay huge dividends for the Rockets...

[thejohnnygold]

And one of the most impressive debut for bench player being traded, Brewer in 23 minutes of action against the Blazers:

12pts on 5-10 (2-4 3pt), 5 steals, 4 assists, 4 boards, 1 block

If we get anything remotely close to that on a consistent basis, it will pay huge dividends for the Rockets...

 

THIS is more likely what to expect from Brewer.  I'm ok with that.  He's always going to bring hustle and defense and if he chips in a great offensive performance than all the better.  He also gives us insurance at SF in case of injury.  It's a great addition for Houston.

[Red94]

Brewer has been absolute revelation thus far.  He'll regress to the mean, no doubt, but there's no chance he'll be moved as just "filler" at the deadline.  

[Sir Thursday]

Brewer has been absolute revelation thus far.  He'll regress to the mean, no doubt, but there's no chance he'll be moved as just "filler" at the deadline.  

 

I get the feeling he's the sort of player whose utility is magnified on a good team. On bad teams, that infectious hustle doesn't elevate the team's play all that much. But when you put him on a good team, the good players around him see the energy he's putting in and lift themselves to match (as we saw with the bench units last night). And of course on a bad team there are likely to be fewer shooters, making it harder to hide his lack of shooting (except on the Rockets, where no such lack exists...).

 

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