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[rockets best fan]

while I wil admit there are simularities to say he is pistol pete is a out of bounds. I saw pistol pete play and trust me he is no pistol pete. I like dragic but I think his game is more like manu ginobli.

[rockets best fan]

as far as my view on dragic vs lowry to me the debate is moot. the rockets intend to keep both in addition to lee. the only way I see them moving one of them is for a star player. not a rental such as the howard deal would have been. darryl morey is smart (I know some of you don't like him) he has made good moves to build this team, hoarding assets until a legitimate deal presents itself. everyone has forgotten about yao and mc grady but this team would have been playing for championships had they lasted. rome wasn't built in a day. you can not rebuild a team overnight. without tanking and staying respectable the rockets are on the threshold of (like the jefferson's) moving on up. the people who want the rockets to break down the team and tank so they can get a high draft pick also don't buy tickets to those 35 home losses the rockets will endure. fact is the only way to be ready when a deal presents itself is to hoard assets. if you don't have players that others teams want then how can you make a deal. just because you get a high draft pick doesn't mean anything unless you draft the right player. ask washington,the bobcats, the clippers, some players look good in college but when they get to the pro's they can't make it ie kwame brown, curry, more recently tyreke evans and those teams spent a lot of time in the cellar of the league trying to obtain those players. the rockets are on course (IMO) to do what it will take to move to the next level. this off season they will resign dragic unless a team throws mad money at him. they will try to move up in draft ,but if unable they will draft wisely and continue to wait for their shot to take a big swing

[Rahat Huq]

I'm going to update the series pretty soon, but at this point, I honestly think it's almost a lock that the team will try and deal Kyle. The shouting match with McHale, then getting benched last night...there seems to be a real rift there.

My only question is whether his trade value his dropped these past few weeks. I wonder if Dragic's emergence makes Lowry seem more a product of a point-guard friendly system.

[rockets best fan]

I don't think the rockets move either of them unless they are presented with a star player or a very high draft pick.

[Stephen]

One of them has to go.
It's becoming pretty obvious a team cannot have 2 starting-quality PGs. When the starter goes down w/an injury and he comes back the team really struggles. The team no longer knows who it's leader is and tends to fall apart.
Orlando rode Alston to the Finals,then collapsed when SVG brought back Nelson. The Rockets last yr when Brooks came back. NO when Paul came back and they felt they had to trade Collison.
For the Rockets,Kyle isn't going to accept coming off the bench and Goran wants his own team. The good news is it looks like Dragic will stay if he knows he will be the starter,making it much easier to trade Lowry.

As to Lowry's reputation,I have no idea what it is in NBA Front Offices,but any team needing a PG,their fans want Lowry.(Portland fans for example want either Lowry of Dragic. On one Blazer forum a fan proposed BOTH Portland Lottery picks for Lowy and he had some support for such a ludicrous proposal.) This is important because trading for Lowry will be a popular move for an NBA team w/an unhappy fan base.

[Rahat Huq]

One of them has to go.
It's becoming pretty obvious a team cannot have 2 starting-quality PGs. When the starter goes down w/an injury and he comes back the team really struggles. The team no longer knows who it's leader is and tends to fall apart.
Orlando rode Alston to the Finals,then collapsed when SVG brought back Nelson. The Rockets last yr when Brooks came back. NO when Paul came back and they felt they had to trade Collison.
For the Rockets,Kyle isn't going to accept coming off the bench and Goran wants his own team. The good news is it looks like Dragic will stay if he knows he will be the starter,making it much easier to trade Lowry.

Great point which I had never considered. Point guard is the one position where team psychology is affected. Much like quarterback in the NFL.

As to Lowry's reputation,I have no idea what it is in NBA Front Offices,but any team needing a PG,their fans want Lowry.(Portland fans for example want either Lowry of Dragic. On one Blazer forum a fan proposed BOTH Portland Lottery picks for Lowy and he had some support for such a ludicrous proposal.) This is important because trading for Lowry will be a popular move for an NBA team w/an unhappy fan base.

Wow, really? That's pretty shocking to me. I did not know he was so highly regarded.

[Mario Peña]

My vote (if it mattered, which it doesn't) is for Dragic. Both Lowry and Dragic are both upper mid tier point guards and considering their temperments and attitudes I prefer Dragic's as it seems to match his level of talent. Overall Dragic seems abit more level headed than Lowry and I value that especially if the Rockets acquire a big time star with an appropriately sized ego I believe Goran might mesh better.

[areteejay789]

as far as my view on dragic vs lowry to me the debate is moot. the rockets intend to keep both in addition to lee. the only way I see them moving one of them is for a star player. not a rental such as the howard deal would have been.

I think we would definitely trade lowry or dragic for a rental of dwight. The idea is we rent the star player, and then show him how awesome houston is so they will resign. We would also be able to offer the star more money than any other team, and hopefully having one star (dwight) would convince another (Deron williams) to sign with us, therefore ensuring both stay together with us.

[blakecouey]

We will be OK regardless of which we keep(assuming we only keep one), theyre both close to all-star caliber, both should have similiar contracts once Dragic is signed as well. In hopes that the Lowry/McHale issue was just a blip and wont happen again, I think what we have to do is shop the one that gets the most attention. If Portland wants one, see what they offer. If PHX misses on D Will and doesn't resign Nash, theyd probably pursue Dragic, see what theyd offer. We're lucky to have a "dilemma" involving two quality players where we can keep one and trade the other.

The idea of keeping both won't work IMO, Dragic has tasted the starting role, and prefers to play PG, so a 3 man rotation of LowryPG/LeeSG/DragicPGSG is unlikely to keep him happy. Lowry has been the starter and moving him back to backup will not work, that would create so much animosity between the two of them that we'd be forced to trade one anyway..

My preference is Dragic, he does most things better than Lowry and seems to make better decisions with the ball.

[Rahat Huq]

New post: http://www.red94.net...ing-field/9592/

I interview Ben Golliver of Blazersedge for his thoughts on Dragic, Lowry...

[rockets best fan]

we would be fine with either. I prefer lowry. he controls the tempo of the game better (IMO). the rockets are in a win/win situation with these two. I say its to early to assume dragic will only come back if he is the starter. (IMO) both lowry and dragic together makes our point guard play star caliber. I think the rockets still have enough to trade and get a star without including either. everyone who believes we can not keep both are jumping to conclusions that are not founded in fact.

[ChinaConor]

we would be fine with either. I prefer lowry. he controls the tempo of the game better (IMO). the rockets are in a win/win situation with these two. I say its to early to assume dragic will only come back if he is the starter. (IMO) both lowry and dragic together makes our point guard play star caliber. I think the rockets still have enough to trade and get a star without including either. everyone who believes we can not keep both are jumping to conclusions that are not founded in fact.

Why do you think Dragic would resign if Lowry isn't traded?

And even if that is the case, how would you balance the minutes on the team in a way that maximized their talents?

Shouldn't Morely be looking to trade Lowry for a power forward who can help now if he really believes the team is on the cusp of contention or a draft pick that might yield a high quality post player?

[rockets best fan]

Why do you think Dragic would resign if Lowry isn't traded?

And even if that is the case, how would you balance the minutes on the team in a way that maximized their talents?

Shouldn't Morely be looking to trade Lowry for a power forward who can help now if he really believes the team is on the cusp of contention or a draft pick that might yield a high quality post player?

I think dragic will resign if we give him the money he wants. it has nothing to do with starting. I think he would take a backup pg/sg role if the money is right. as for playing time I would make lowry, dragic and lee a 3 guard rotation. as for a big man I would either combine both draft picks to move up or combine martin with 1 draft pick to move up. we already have montieunjas coming over. I would get the best big man I could get from the draft. we have many other assets beside lowry that can get a trade done. the idea is to keep as much talent as you can right?

[ChinaConor]

I think dragic will resign if we give him the money he wants. it has nothing to do with starting. I think he would take a backup pg/sg role if the money is right.

That's likely to be about 40 million. Can you afford to pay a backup guard that much?

"the idea is to keep as much talent as you can right?"


That's exactly the reason I would trade Lowry for either a player or picks that fits the team's needs better or will stay with the team longer.

[rockets best fan]

That's likely to be about 40 million. Can you afford to pay a backup guard that much?

"the idea is to keep as much talent as you can right?"


That's exactly the reason I would trade Lowry for either a player or picks that fits the team's needs better or will stay with the team longer.

if dragic cost 40 mil I say let him walk. its not like we don't already have a good point guard. bottom line either of these guys can run this team. if I already have kyle for 6 1/2 mil why would I sign dragic for much more than that. dragic is good, but not a star. now the possible combo of him lowry and lee can be very good. but if it came down to it I would expect the rockets to sign dragic only if he can be had on a reasonable deal other wise I expect them to spend the money somewhere else. guards are easier to find. (example why sign dragic for 10 mil per if you can get mayo for 7 mil per and be just as good at guard) the rockets are not going to tie up big money in guards. especially guards who are not established stars.

[blakecouey]

if dragic cost 40 mil I say let him walk. its not like we don't already have a good point guard. bottom line either of these guys can run this team. if I already have kyle for 6 1/2 mil why would I sign dragic for much more than that. dragic is good, but not a star. now the possible combo of him lowry and lee can be very good. but if it came down to it I would expect the rockets to sign dragic only if he can be had on a reasonable deal other wise I expect them to spend the money somewhere else. guards are easier to find. (example why sign dragic for 10 mil per if you can get mayo for 7 mil per and be just as good at guard) the rockets are not going to tie up big money in guards. especially guards who are not established stars.

Yep. Drop off of talent between the two isnt large enough to warrant either of them being overpaid for, best case we keep both worst case we keep jist one, which is a better option at pg than most teams have. Merely my speculation, as im not agent or gm, but id try to get dragic at 8, its a goos number for both sides.

[Alituro]

It's really hard to assess this situation because we really don't know yet what teams would give for either of our point guards. The only thing to do is sign Dragic to a nice contract (comparable or slightly larger than Lowry's) as soon as possible, with the stated intention of shopping either him or Lowry. That trade may happen this summer, or it may happen next February, who knows? It makes absolutely no sense to have both on the roster for longer than necessary, it's too much money tied to one position, and whomever is deemed the "bench guy" is going to suffer for that stint. The worst thing we could possibly do is not sign Dragic and let him slip away, he's too valuable an asset. The solution is simple: we keep the guy who is offered the least for, and we'd be set and happy at PG with either one.

[Lyfestyle]

The only thing to do is sign Dragic to a nice contract (comparable or slightly larger than Lowry's) as soon as possible, with the stated intention of shopping either him or Lowry.

Why would Dragic sign with us if our stated intention was to shop him? "Yes, sign here and we'll send you to God-knows-where as soon as someone offers us something half-decent. Maybe you can play the next 5 years in Charlotte! Or beautiful Milwaukee!"

That makes no sense. Dragic will sign for the team that offers him a solid contract and a starting spot. I'd wager several teams will do that.

[Rahat Huq]

I have to disagree with you guys. As much as I wish we could keep both, Dragic has stated many times that he wants to be a starter. "That's been the goal."

It's also not very efficient resource allocation to tie up talent in one spot position when it can be spread through a trade to address other issues.

I think they almost have to trade Lowry.