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@  thenit : (03 January 2016 - 06:57 AM) You cant rule out dmo yet. Still not recovered, he was out tonight due to sore back so the back is still an issue. TJ - I have seen enough 2 playoffs and 3 reg seasons
@  Johnny Rocket : (03 January 2016 - 04:01 AM) It turns out that in the big DMO vs. T Jones debate, there was only one right answer: neither.
@  thenit : (03 January 2016 - 03:29 AM) So once again TJones can't defend a good PF, minus 35 after 3 Qs, and Harden not much better with -31. Two of the worst defenders I've seen in a long time ATM
@  Johnny Rocket : (03 January 2016 - 02:10 AM) Maybe we should trade for Kevin Martin as defensive stopper off the bench (snark alert)
@  thenit : (01 January 2016 - 07:23 AM) He has played several games 20 plus minutes, so at this point only getting 6 doesn't make sense
@  Cooper : (01 January 2016 - 05:34 AM) Maybe he isn't in game shape yet, otherwise just doesn't make sense
@  thenit : (01 January 2016 - 02:33 AM) How about not playing Tjones who can't defend. -24 in 14 minutes. Can't understand why motie doesn't get more PT
@  thejohnnygold : (29 December 2015 - 08:46 PM) Don't forget that -40 of those came in 2 of the first 3 games when Dwight didn't play. That skews the relation a wee bit.
@  majik19 : (28 December 2015 - 07:49 PM) Also from Marc Stein's Twitter (and makes you rethink Capela's development so far...): How key is Dwight Howard to Houston's success? Entering Christmas, Rockets were +36 this season with Dwight on floor ... and -80 without him
@  majik19 : (28 December 2015 - 07:47 PM) From Marc Stein's Twitter: James Harden attempted 10 or more 3s in each of his first eight games this season. Since then? 10+ in just three of Houston's last 23 games
@  Mario Peña : (26 December 2015 - 08:44 PM) Tonight is a big test for Harden and company. Amid holiday distractions and on the second night of a back to back can this team bring maximum effort and not play down to the opponent?
@  majik19 : (24 December 2015 - 11:13 PM) In case you didn't see this, today is the anniversary of 13 in 34...
@  Mario Peña : (22 December 2015 - 03:36 PM) LeBron usually hides on weaker offensive opposition, George I cannot speak to and defense has been Leonard's calling card and priority up until this year.
@  SadLakerFan : (22 December 2015 - 04:04 AM) Hey, you guys are above .500! Watched parts of the game. Nice game by Harden tonight. Lots of mental mistakes by a number of players tho.
@  ale11 : (21 December 2015 - 03:38 PM) txtdo1411: I do watch most games. I even stayed up until 3 am watching this one (I'm from Uruguay) to see it. The fact that we need to put Ariza on the best player speaks for itself. LeBron, George, Leonard, they guard the best opponent, you don't hide them. If you are going to hide on defense, at least be efficient on offense like Curry. I love Harden, but he is not trying on D unless it's on ball defense (and not all the time either)
@  majik19 : (20 December 2015 - 03:53 AM) so i didn't watch this game - what the hell happened? Shot only 32% from 3, but still managed to win by 10. Only 15 turnovers? I don't understand this team.
@  txtdo1411 : (18 December 2015 - 10:45 PM) Whoops, I did not realize it was going to swallow the entire shoutbox. My apologies folks!
@  txtdo1411 : (18 December 2015 - 10:45 PM) I always love when posters make comments that point to them clearly not watching the games, or at the very least paying attention. Ale11, here are all of Kobe's scores from last night, care to guess who was guarding him 95% of the time he scored?
@  slick shoes : (18 December 2015 - 07:29 PM) http://espn.go.com/n...driving-arrests
@  slick shoes : (18 December 2015 - 07:28 PM) Lawson's agent feeling out his value to other teams....

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#21 willdarling

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    Posted 29 October 2014 - 01:55 PM

    I know I'm a day late so maybe a +3 to my score to discount the games from opening night?

     

    ATLANTIC

    Boston 27

    New Jersey 43

    New York 36

    Philly 17

    Toronto 47

     

    CENTRAL

    Chicago 53

    Cleveland 60

    Detroit 33

    Indiana 37

    Milwaukee 30

     

    SOUTHEAST

    Atlanta 45

    Charlotte 44

    Miami 42

    Orlando 22

    Washington 46

     

    PACIFIC

    Golden State 52

    LA Clippers 57

    LA Lakers 23

    Phoenix 38

    Sacramento 32

     

    NORTHWEST

    Denver 35

    Minnesota 26

    OKC 52

    Portland 49

    Utah 28

     

    SOUTHWEST

    Dallas 50

    Houston 52

    Memphis 51

    NO 45

    San Antonio 56


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    #22 thejohnnygold

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    Posted 20 March 2015 - 09:31 PM

    How's everyone feeling about their predictions?  Here's a link  to the current standings: LINK


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    #23 Steven

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      Posted 16 April 2015 - 04:13 PM

      Did I Win?
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      #24 Sir Thursday

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      Posted 16 April 2015 - 06:12 PM

      I'll process the results later tonight.

       

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      #25 Steven

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        Posted 18 April 2015 - 10:07 PM

        I'm declaring myself the winner.
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        #26 Dan G

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        Posted 18 April 2015 - 10:21 PM

        I'm declaring myself the winner.

        Heh..I'm waiting on the results too. Co-champs?


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        :lol: All in the game, yo, :D all in the game :lol:!


        #27 Sir Thursday

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        Posted 18 April 2015 - 11:23 PM

        OK, here we go. Sorry it took so long to get around to process these:

         

        Final Results:

         

        1. 2016Champions - 190

        2. willdarling - 210 (includes 5 points of penalties - 3 for being late, 2 for not having predictions that add up)

        3. Dan G - 221

        4. Steven - 238

        5. thejohnnygold - 243

        6. Sir Thursday 257

         

        Correct Predictions:

         

        2016Champions - Dallas, Detroit, Phoenix

        willdarling - Dallas, New Orleans, Washington

        Dan G - LA Clippers, Dallas

        Steven - San Antonio

        thejohnnygold - Philadelphia, Cleveland

        Sir Thursday - Toronto, Washington, Phoenix

         

        Worst Predictions:

         

        2016Champions - Atlanta (off by 9, doubled), Charlotte (off by 17)

        willdarling - Atlanta (off by 15, doubled), Golden State (off by 15, doubled), New York (off by 19)

        Dan G - Milwaukee (off by 21)

        Steven - New York (off by 23)

        thejohnnygold - Charlotte (off by 16, doubled), Milwaukee (off by 22) 

        Sir Thursday - Boston (off by 14, doubled), Atlanta (off by 12, doubled), New York (off by 21)

         

        Best Predicted Teams:

         

        1. Dallas (average score: 0.67)

        2. Washington (average score: 1.17)

        3. Philadelphia (average score: 2.50)

        4=. Toronto (average score: 2.67)

        4=. San Antonio (average score: 2.67)

         

        Worst Predicted Teams:

         

        1. New York (average score: 19.17)

        2. Atlanta (average score: 18.17)

        3. Milwaukee (average score: 17.67)

        4. Boston (average score: 17.00)

        5. Golden State (average score: 16.17)

         

         

        Thanks for taking part everyone! I'll have to see if I can do better next year.

         

        Cheers,

         

        ST


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        #28 thejohnnygold

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        Posted 19 April 2015 - 02:22 PM

        Thanks, Sir Thursday!  Wow...those Charlotte and Milwaukee picks destroyed me.   :lol:  +54 on those two.

         

        I am curious what NorEastern might think about the huge leaps Milwaukee and Golden State took (considering how most of us were far off on them) given his stance on the effect coaching has on wins.  Kerr and Kidd both came in and, seemingly, had profound effects.  Perhaps it is due to their name symmetry--4 letter, double-consonant words that start with "K".   :unsure:


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        #29 Steven

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          Posted 19 April 2015 - 03:10 PM

          I still say I'm the winner.
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          #30 thejohnnygold

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          Posted 19 April 2015 - 04:33 PM

          I still say I'm the winner.

           

          You're always a winner in my book.  ;)


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          #31 Steven

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            Posted 20 April 2015 - 02:00 AM

            You're always a winner in my book. ;)


            You too. Just for having the balls to wear that jacket and tie.
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            #32 Dan G

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            Posted 25 April 2015 - 08:13 PM

            Thanks Sir Thursday for doing the calculations and statistics for us!

             

            What did me in was the wacky Leastern conference. I scored 131 on the Eastern Conference whereas I scored 90 on the Western Conference. I am happy to say that I knew our division pretty well as I scored a 16 overall, but really our division is the easiest since Mem, Dal, Hou, and San were all expected to get 50 wins or more. And we knew the Pelicans were going to step up their game a little too.

             

            My toughest division was the Southeast. I scored a 52 in that division because besides Orlando and Washington, I apparently didn't know how the hell Miami, Charlotte and Atlanta were going to finish.

             

            It was fun though, and I look forward to doing it again next season.


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            :lol: All in the game, yo, :D all in the game :lol:!


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              Posted 04 May 2015 - 01:04 AM

              Thanks, Sir Thursday!  Wow...those Charlotte and Milwaukee picks destroyed me.   :lol:  +54 on those two.

               

              I am curious what NorEastern might think about the huge leaps Milwaukee and Golden State took (considering how most of us were far off on them) given his stance on the effect coaching has on wins.  Kerr and Kidd both came in and, seemingly, had profound effects.  Perhaps it is due to their name symmetry--4 letter, double-consonant words that start with "K".   :unsure:

              Johnny. First off grats on your excellent showing. I do not enter such contests because my ignorance would be evident to all.

               

              On the matter of coaching. Was it coaching that led to the Bucks and Warriors +10 wins this season? Or was it the maturation of their rosters? If I am not mistaken, Milwaukee has the second youngest team in the league, and the Warriors saw perhaps career seasons from Thompson and Green. 

               

              Admittedly, both of those teams improved their head coaches. But what do head coaches really do?

               

              1. They handle most team press conferences.
              2. They do radio shows.
              3. They manage their won staff and players. I can tell you that managing the 30 or so people McHale manages just eats into your day.
              4. They set the overall offensive and defensive strategies for the team.
              5. They seem to call plays (sometimes) out of ball stoppages.

              What don't head coaches do?

               

              1. They do not call plays unless they are forced into it like the horrendous Carlisle-Rondo meltdown.
              2. They have little time to train their players. That is why they have six or more assistant coaches these days.

              From my point of view the only possible major screw up a head coach can do these days is to install a completely inappropriate offensive or defensive system. Much like what we saw happen in both New York and the Lakers. However, as we see today, that only happens on completely hopeless teams where -5 wins is perhaps a good thing because it brings about more ping pong balls.

               

              Basically head coaches are figureheads for the most part. They are telegenic managers of NBA teams who know how and to whom to delegate the really important tasks. They must at all costs manage the roster well, keeping the players focused on the offensive and defensive systems and happy. And they get paid $5M a year. Where do I apply?


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              #34 thejohnnygold

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              Posted 04 May 2015 - 05:58 PM

              Johnny. First off grats on your excellent showing. I do not enter such contests because my ignorance would be evident to all.

               

              On the matter of coaching. Was it coaching that led to the Bucks and Warriors +10 wins this season? Or was it the maturation of their rosters? If I am not mistaken, Milwaukee has the second youngest team in the league, and the Warriors saw perhaps career seasons from Thompson and Green. 

               

              Admittedly, both of those teams improved their head coaches. But what do head coaches really do?

               

              1. They handle most team press conferences.
              2. They do radio shows.
              3. They manage their won staff and players. I can tell you that managing the 30 or so people McHale manages just eats into your day.
              4. They set the overall offensive and defensive strategies for the team.
              5. They seem to call plays (sometimes) out of ball stoppages.

              What don't head coaches do?

               

              1. They do not call plays unless they are forced into it like the horrendous Carlisle-Rondo meltdown.
              2. They have little time to train their players. That is why they have six or more assistant coaches these days.

              From my point of view the only possible major screw up a head coach can do these days is to install a completely inappropriate offensive or defensive system. Much like what we saw happen in both New York and the Lakers. However, as we see today, that only happens on completely hopeless teams where -5 wins is perhaps a good thing because it brings about more ping pong balls.

               

              Basically head coaches are figureheads for the most part. They are telegenic managers of NBA teams who know how and to whom to delegate the really important tasks. They must at all costs manage the roster well, keeping the players focused on the offensive and defensive systems and happy. And they get paid $5M a year. Where do I apply?

               

              Thanks for the reply.  I don't disagree with you--mostly.  

               

              Milwaukee definitely benefited from Giannis and Khris Middleton improving.  Henson seems to have leveled off some offensively; although defensively he appears to be better.

               

              Golden State is benefiting from a little luck (players that fell in the draft: Curry (7th) and Thompson (11th)--seriously, if those drafts were re-done Curry arguably goes first (or Harden...with Blake Griffin dropping to 3rd) and Thompson goes )1st, 2nd, or 3rd depending on if people prefer Jimmy Butler or Kyrie Irving.)

               

              Add a solid pick in Draymond Green at 5th and they are sitting pretty with the good fortune of heading into the expanded salary cap with some of the league's best players on value contracts (Klay Thompson will make the same amount as Chandler Parsons next season)

               

              So, yes, the coach's job is easy when the GM does his job.  Still, I think you diminish the value of taking the talent and implementing a system that fits them.  I think there is a ton of value in that.

               

              I also consider a coach's staff a direct extension of him and give credit for their abilities and time spent working with the players and helping implement the offensive/defensive systems.

               

              Perhaps the most under-valued element is keeping the players motivated, engaged, and keeping the team chemistry on a good level.  Of all things, these are likely the most difficult.  Yes, they are professionals, being paid lots of money to do something they love.  That does not mean they aren't human.  Doing anything repetitively--especially when you just don't feel like it, but have to--will take a toll.  There are tons of things I love to do, but if I had to do them everyday, at a peak level, year after year there would be times where I would dread doing that thing I love.

               

              I'm not trying to be argumentative--we can easily agree to disagree.  I think a coach's influence over the team is much more than X's and O's (ignoring all the non-basketball stuff they deal with).  It's the difference between Josh Smith being a team killing cancer and Josh Smith being an integral part of a team's success on both ends of the floor.

               

              Certainly, Golden State and Milwaukee enjoyed player growth, but I think having the right coaches in place amplified the results.  Does that still equal 5 wins overall?  I don't know--seems like the math on that is theoretical at best given the suppositions one must make.


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              #35 NorEastern

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                Posted 05 May 2015 - 05:55 PM

                Johnny thank you for the e-mail. I just wanted to correct the errors in the title of that post. I finished it off in a rush and make stupid mistakes.

                 

                And I agree with you completely. If a Head coach can keep his team happy and focused on the offensive ad defensive game plan then that coach has already succeeded in  at least half of his job. That is why I have always been a McHale supporter. Smith is happy and coming off of the bench. Howard is cutting down on his post up opportunities. X's and O's are incredibly over rated by fans. Especially when it has been shown that even calling a timeout decreases offensive performance.


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