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How would you feel about trading Kyle Lowry?


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#1 Rahat Huq

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    Posted 11 March 2012 - 02:29 AM

    This is something that I hadn't really considered before, but I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on the topic because it seems there is a real possibility.

    If it's for Dwight, that's a no-brainer, but how would you feel about trading Kyle Lowry in a package for Gasol, making Goran the full-time starter of this team, now and for the future. Is it time to 'sell high' on Lowry or is he a building block?

    Early on in the season, or maybe even as recently as a month ago, the notion of trading Lowry, to me, was inconceivable. He was untouchable. But his numbers have really taken a tumble of late and worse, his defense has greatly been exposed. He's been literally torched by the likes of Parker and CP3, to the point where McHale had to switch defensive assignments. Dragic is hands down the better one-on-one defender.

    I still like Lowry and would prefer to keep him as a building block for the future. But I'm becoming much more open to the idea of a trade. Maybe it might be time to 'sell high', if this is really our chance to nab a top-15 player. Remember how Aaron Brooks' trade value plummeted because we waited too long? I worry that the same will happen with Lowry over the course of this season and it will be discovered that he really wasn't as great as he seemed. Then, not only would we have held onto the wrong guy, but we wouldn't have a trade chip. We already know how hard it is to trade for a legit star.

    How would you rank these lineups:

    A) Scola, Parsons, Dalembert, Martin, Lowry
    B) Gasol, Parsons, Dalembert, Lee, Lowry
    C) Gasol, Parsons, Dalembert, Martin, Dragic

    I think that lineup A is clearly the worst. As far as the other 2, I don't know...

    What do you all think?
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    #2 sircharles

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    Posted 11 March 2012 - 03:01 AM

    I'd say get rid of him while we can but while doing so try and get rid of Martin and scola. Especially with the steady decline this team is on. Aldeman has expressed interest in coaching Martin again so maybe we could send him to Minnesota for Wesley Johnson or something. This team has gotten very frustrating to watch. Still can't get over them giving the ball to Martin in the clippers overtime for the last shot when Courtney Lee was on fire from 3 point range.
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      Posted 11 March 2012 - 03:37 AM

      a mix of B and C sounds the best too me. instead of lee/lowry or martin/dragic i would rather have lee/dragic
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      Posted 11 March 2012 - 04:01 AM

      Hmm. I rather have lineup C but that is because of trade value. Lineup B is nice and balanced (though I worry about offense) but that means the Rockets gave up Martin, Scola and one or two other players for just Gasol. Seems like a bit too much but it is understandable. Lineup C is nice because it leaves open the option of either a) Martin bouncing back or B) trading him to get another set piece.

      As for Lowry, I'm fine with him being shipped off. I was really hesitant to do so at the beginning of this season because it has been awhile since the PG for this team was strong. I never considered Brooks anything but a SG who is too short and the Rafer Alston days haunt me at times. The key being, is the downgrade from Lowry to Dragic worth the upgrade from Scola to Gasol? Yes. Dragic is erratic but Gasol is such an improvement that you just have to go for it. If you can keep Lowry and get Gasol? Then you are doing well.

      Personally, it is between two options. Would I like to see the team downgrade at PG while getting Gasol and keeping Martin (For another trade) or would I like to keep Lowry while getting Gasol and see the team in a tougher position to get another valuable piece.

      Like always, my posts tend to be long winded and cover all types of ground. Sell high on Lowry if the return is worth it.
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        Posted 11 March 2012 - 04:45 AM

        You tweeted about line up D a little while ago, I think that'd be the best lineup.
        Trade Martin and 09ers for Bogut and S-Jax and trade Lowry and scola for Gasol. After the season we resign Dragic and Lee.
        Lineup D going into next year is Dragic/Lee/Jackson/Gasol/Bogut and coming off the bench we'd have PPatt, D-Mo, Parsons, Bud, Llull(if he comes over), Morris and whoever we draft this year. That's a very solid lineup.

        Also, would we have room to pick up the Haitian Sensation's contract for next year in this scenario?
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        #6 Rahat Huq

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          Posted 11 March 2012 - 04:48 AM

          You tweeted about line up D a little while ago, I think that'd be the best lineup.
          Trade Martin and 09ers for Bogut and S-Jax and trade Lowry and scola for Gasol. After the season we resign Dragic and Lee.
          Lineup D going into next year is Dragic/Lee/Jackson/Gasol/Bogut and coming off the bench we'd have PPatt, D-Mo, Parsons, Bud, Llull(if he comes over), Morris and whoever we draft this year. That's a very solid lineup.

          Also, would we have room to pick up the Haitian Sensation's contract for next year in this scenario?

          Yep, I think this scenario is probably the best one. I wonder if this is what they're trying to do right now with Bogut replacing Nene in last summer's scenario.

          I would be extremely pleased if that's how things turned out. Bogut/Gasol would immediately be the best frontline combo in the league. You'd need some perimeter scoring but that's much easier to find than talented 7 footers.
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            Posted 11 March 2012 - 04:58 AM

            Yep, I think this scenario is probably the best one. I wonder if this is what they're trying to do right now with Bogut replacing Nene in last summer's scenario.

            I would be extremely pleased if that's how things turned out. Bogut/Gasol would immediately be the best frontline combo in the league. You'd need some perimeter scoring but that's much easier to find than talented 7 footers.


            I would actually like this combo better than Nene/Gasol. Much better defensively and we'd have great passing all around. I don't see a better defensive starting 5 than this one. The 2nd unit in that scenario gets me the most excited though. I don't see many teams being able to compete with a 2nd unit of Llull/Bud/Parson(or Jackson depending on who starts)/PPat/Motiejunas(he plays C in Poland right?). plus Morris and this years draft picks. that would be a team with legit talent 12 deep.
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              Posted 11 March 2012 - 06:40 AM

              I'd encourage it. Dragic is a better passer and better on the fast break. Also Goran is taller.
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              Posted 11 March 2012 - 01:49 PM

              Trade Lowry, take advantage of his overblown trade value that he enjoys right now, and promote Dragic to the starting lineup. Sounds only reasonable to me. Dragic has shown repeatedly that he can be a proper replacement and is often the most active and reliable player on the floor, so I don't even consider that swap as a major downgrade.
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                Posted 12 March 2012 - 01:38 AM

                The problem with Goran is that he'll play great and then he'll have 6 possessions in a row where he is completely out of control. He is also not nearly as good of a defender. He takes a lot of risks and isn't great on the ball. Now if we can get a great player and we have to give up Lowry than that's one thing. I'm not sure if I would give him up for Gasol. If we do trade one of the PGs we need to bring in another one. Flynn is hopeless. At one point there was some talk that people were interested in him? Deal him for a second rounder and get it over with. Did T-Will play a couple of games ago to showcase him and hope that someone was intrigued?
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                  Posted 12 March 2012 - 05:02 AM

                  The problem with Goran is that he'll play great and then he'll have 6 possessions in a row where he is completely out of control. He is also not nearly as good of a defender. He takes a lot of risks and isn't great on the ball. Now if we can get a great player and we have to give up Lowry than that's one thing. I'm not sure if I would give him up for Gasol. If we do trade one of the PGs we need to bring in another one. Flynn is hopeless. At one point there was some talk that people were interested in him? Deal him for a second rounder and get it over with. Did T-Will play a couple of games ago to showcase him and hope that someone was intrigued?

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                  I was beginning to think that I was the only one who saw this is Goran, he's to out of control and takes way to many shots that he shouldn't take
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                  Posted 12 March 2012 - 09:05 PM

                  I would have no problem trading Lowry even if he were completely healthy. IMO, his increased workload has only exposed his flaws even more, his shooting has regressed a bit and his turnovers have gone up by 25%, with only about 1 assist more per game.

                  And his defense this year has been awful, probably because he is working so hard on offense.

                  Goran is about the same production wise as a starter, but the problem for me in trading Lowry would be that Goran is an unrestricted free agent, so we could lose Lowry in the trade, and then Goran at the end of the year with no compensation at all.

                  Morey is risk averse, I don't see him giving up a value contract in Kyle to roll the dice on Goran which will cost a lot more, IMO.

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                    Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:15 AM

                    Trade him if it brings you Josh Smith, Dwight Howard, Bogut or Deron Williams, im kinda iffy if hes traded for Gasol even tho i think Dragic can do good
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                      Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:49 PM

                      You tweeted about line up D a little while ago, I think that'd be the best lineup.
                      Trade Martin and 09ers for Bogut and S-Jax and trade Lowry and scola for Gasol. After the season we resign Dragic and Lee.
                      Lineup D going into next year is Dragic/Lee/Jackson/Gasol/Bogut and coming off the bench we'd have PPatt, D-Mo, Parsons, Bud, Llull(if he comes over), Morris and whoever we draft this year. That's a very solid lineup.

                      Also, would we have room to pick up the Haitian Sensation's contract for next year in this scenario?


                      If I were John Hammond (Bucks GM), I would do a double take on the Bogut/Jackson for Martin. There's a logjam at the SG spot with Dunleavy and Delfino hogging the minutes and Hammond won't see how adding another trigger-happy backcourt mate next to Jennings helps the Bucks moving forward. On the side of the Rockets, I like the potential acquisition of Jackson and how his hard-nosed defense will positively impact the team. My worry is that in acquiring Bogut, the Rockets are once again on the edge of their seats with another center who has an ugly injury history. It's a lose-lose situation for both teams involved.

                      With regard to Lowry being traded, I'm all for it as long as the right offer comes into the picture. Point guards are a dime a dozen and I'm ready to hand over the keys to Dragic.
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                        Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:55 PM

                        I know Lowry is top 10 PG material (or really close to it), but Dragic is top 25 at worst and the gulf of talent between #10 and #25 isn't a steep drop-off.
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